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Re: Shutdown

Post by Pyperkub » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:01 am

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Where's that vomiting smiley when you need it?
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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 am

Octavious wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:30 am
I really think this was a very very bad move on his part. He pretty much showed that he can't and won't declare a national emergency. It was so pointless. I don't think anyone saw that and was moved one direction or another. The idiots will go along while the rest will wonder when this batshit crazy crap will end. I honestly could see him dragging this on to the next election. That's how little shit he actually cares about harming people.
Yeah, but will the Cult of Trump go to his website and declare their loyalty by sending him money instead of wasting it on that gofundme campaign that he has not yet usurped? Will it keep them motivated to ignore the market drops and declarations from corporate America that it's time to uproot and go somewhere else?

He is a pied piping conspiracy savant and conning for grift (is grift the right word when you con millions?) is what he has spent his lifetime getting good at. The problem with those who are going along was revealed in 2016. The problem is there are a whole fucking lot of them. 1/3rd of voting a nation (at least) willing to give their life savings to political equivalent of a megachurch televangelist who is afraid for their political souls.
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Post by TheMix » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 am

Too bad they couldn't fit in that this was essentially another money grab for him.
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Re: Shutdown

Post by Jaymann » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:02 am

Hey, at least he didn't declare martial law - I count that as a win.
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LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 am
Yeah, but will the Cult of Trump go to his website and declare their loyalty by sending him money instead of wasting on that gofundme campaign that he not yet usurped?
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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:17 am

It really is the perfect song for his presidency, his continual campaign, and our nation.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by Skinypupy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:22 am

Trent Steel wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:03 am
LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 am
Yeah, but will the Cult of Trump go to his website and declare their loyalty by sending him money instead of wasting on that gofundme campaign that he not yet usurped?
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I'm the cult of personality

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Haven't listened to that in a while. To YouTube!
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Re: Shutdown

Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:24 am

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Shade!

Ratings.
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Re: Shutdown

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Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:22 am
Haven't listened to that in a while. To YouTube!
Watch the performance on Arsenio. I remember watching it back when it aired and being blown away. The best is when he rolls out into the audience. Seriously....everyone is so confused and I think a bit scared. Kinda like how I've felt since 2016.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:24 am
malchior wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:33 pm
Shade!

Ratings.
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff. If it were important, I'm sure I could have gone back later. But his the "preview" about the crisis of border security plus his MAGA website bagging for money to acknowledge who was with him when it counts, pretty much told me the cartoon network was the better call.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by hentzau » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:06 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:24 am
malchior wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:33 pm
Shade!

Ratings.
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff. If it were important, I'm sure I could have gone back later. But his the "preview" about the crisis of border security plus his MAGA website bagging for money to acknowledge who was with him when it counts, pretty much told me the cartoon network was the better call.
I was painting minis with Raiders of the Lost Ark playing in the background. A much better decision.
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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:10 pm

hentzau wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:06 pm
I was painting minis with Raiders of the Lost Ark playing in the background. A much better decision.
Nice. I think I should have had your evening. Only I suck a painting minis and the effort doesn't relax me, it frustrates me. Maybe one day (he says as both his eyes and his coordination get noticeably worse every year)

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Post by pr0ner » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:16 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff.
Isn't this overly paranoid?
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Re: Shutdown

Post by gilraen » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:16 pm

TheMix wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 am
Too bad they couldn't fit in that this was essentially another money grab for him.
Mentioned on Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell yesterday (can't find the clip now): Right after his speech Trump sent out a letter asking his base to donate ASAP to “Build The Wall”, but in fine print the money goes to Trump’s Re-election Campaign.

Also NYT is reporting that Trump's advisers are "happy" with the address - because he was controlled in his delivery and didn't stray from the teleprompter. Which apparently is the new standard for the Oval Office address: can the POTUS read from the teleprompter without stumbling and/or throwing a tantrum.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:31 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:16 pm
LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff.
Isn't this overly paranoid?
I'm not paranoid about it. It is what it is. It might be overly sensitive, as is my refusal to shop at WalMart. I don't think there will be any repercussions to my not watching but there will be one less person showing they tuned in for all the aggregators that track these things.

Me being overly paranoid is that I have no urge to own SmartTV that can turn its mic on and getting all I get all wide eyed when I read about smartphones in meetings that seem to link advertising to what has been discussed behind closed doors 30 minutes prior. My largest failure to reconcile comes from the fact that I surf the internet and have my reading and writing aggregated as well as analyzed for targeted advertising all day long every day as part of the cost of using the Internet.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by malchior » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:07 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:38 am
Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:22 am
Haven't listened to that in a while. To YouTube!
Watch the performance on Arsenio. I remember watching it back when it aired and being blown away. The best is when he rolls out into the audience. Seriously....everyone is so confused and I think a bit scared. Kinda like how I've felt since 2016.
I remember this performance too. I didn't remember that crowd of stiffs though. :lol:

There is an old guy in the crowd who looks like his soul might have left his body during this performance. THANKS OBAMA.

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Post by hepcat » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:36 pm

So to summarize:

Trump: "WAAAAHHHH"
Pelosi and Schumer: "Simmer down, junior"
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The Trump administration had promised to help farmers like Boyd, those who suffered as a result of the international trade war after Chinese purchases of soybeans — once 60 percent of the market — plummeted to next to nothing. With farmers on the edge of ruin, the U.S. government offered $12 billion in support since September, checks that had become a lifeline.

But with the government shutdown moving into its third week, Boyd was left waiting for his support check to arrive. Other farmers who still must have their crop totals approved by the government to receive aid were left with no way to apply for it.

The delay has been the latest blow to a soybean farming community of more than 300,000 that has suffered steep price declines and bad weather, leaving some to contemplate switching crops for the coming year — or getting out of farming altogether.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said Tuesday that the government would extend the application deadline for the second round of support payments beyond the Jan. 15 deadline due to the shutdown, while urging Congress to pass a bill Trump would sign to “end the lapse in funding so that we may again provide full services to our farmers and ranchers.”
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Businesses also are bracing for new challenges shipping their products overseas. A few dozen exporters discovered over the weekend that the government’s electronic system for approving exports was not working, said Peter Friedmann, executive director of the Agriculture Transportation Coalition. The system appeared to have been fixed as of Monday morning.
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Re: Shutdown

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So immigrants are just blowing through border checkpoints in their Fury Road deathmobiles?

Crazy that we never hear about this.
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Holman wrote:
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So immigrants are just blowing through border checkpoints in their Fury Road deathmobiles?

Crazy that we never hear about this.
They need to hire this guy. He probably has the right mindset for the job...

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Post by Combustible Lemur » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:12 pm

LordMortis wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:16 pm
LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff.
Isn't this overly paranoid?
I'm not paranoid about it. It is what it is. It might be overly sensitive, as is my refusal to shop at WalMart. I don't think there will be any repercussions to my not watching but there will be one less person showing they tuned in for all the aggregators that track these things.

Me being overly paranoid is that I have no urge to own SmartTV that can turn its mic on and getting all I get all wide eyed when I read about smartphones in meetings that seem to link advertising to what has been discussed behind closed doors 30 minutes prior. My largest failure to reconcile comes from the fact that I surf the internet and have my reading and writing aggregated as well as analyzed for targeted advertising all day long every day as part of the cost of using the Internet.
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Re: Shutdown

Post by GreenGoo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:27 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:16 pm
LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 am
I didn't watch precisely because of this. WOW knows my TV habits. TiVo knows my TV habits. I don't want that aggregation of data to encourage this stuff.
Isn't this overly paranoid?
How so? This is exactly how data is aggregated and mined. I have no idea about WOW or TiVo specifically, but that method is exactly how it's done. It's not paranoia if it's actually happening. Whether you (global you) care that it is happening or not is a different story.

My smart TV is not connected to the internet for reasons that are well documented.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by GreenGoo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:31 pm

malchior wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:07 pm
I remember this performance too. I didn't remember that crowd of stiffs though. :lol:

There is an old guy in the crowd who looks like his soul might have left his body during this performance. THANKS OBAMA.
Holy crap, I couldn't imagine a more white audience, and I live in a country that is 80+% white!

Talk audience/performer mismatch, and I'm not referring to their colours. Stiffs is an understatement.

Then again it is Arsenio.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:41 pm

hepcat wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:36 pm
So to summarize:

Trump: "WAAAAHHHH"
Pelosi and Schumer: "Simmer down, junior"
Fox News: "Pelosi, Schumer spark laughs on social media for 'angry parents' rebuttal to Trump address"
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OrangeSuit wrote:unbelievable vehicles... stronger, bigger, and faster vehicles than our police have, than ICE has
He's recently watched Fast & Furious (#4 in the series). In this one, drug cartels use supercars to run under border defenses.
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Re: Shutdown

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GreenGoo wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:27 pm
I have no idea about WOW or TiVo specifically
I've read my EULA for TiVo, they're pretty straight forward about their data collecting and sales.

I've not read about my WOW EULA specifically but now that you ask

https://www.wowway.com/docs/wow/documen ... policy.pdf

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Pretty boiler plate. I am one less aggregated as having watched. Pretty meaningless but it's my tempest in a teapot.

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Re: Shutdown

Post by Alefroth » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:14 pm

I hate when I kind of think the same way Bannon does-

"A few weeks ago, former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon told a New York Magazine reporter that “you either have a crisis or you don’t.”

“If it’s a crisis, act like it,” he said for the piece, which was published this week. “Declare a national-security emergency on the southern border. Deploy troops not to assist the Border Patrol but to replace them, then you bring in the Army Corps of Engineers to build the wall. Get the backhoes out and start digging.”

If it's a real crisis, shouldn't there be a more immediate response than building a wall?

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Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:18 pm

Don't make me react positively to Bannon!

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Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:36 pm

I guess this is thread for all things wall

I thought this to appear to be a pretty fair take on some of how we got to where we are with regard to the wall. It's a long but interesting read.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/12/14 ... al-buttons

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The response to President Trump's Oval Office address to the nation by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y) on Tuesday night rated slightly higher than the president's remarks, according to preliminary audience figures.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4245 ... ry-ratings

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Re: Shutdown

Post by Skinypupy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:10 pm

tjg_marantz wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:48 pm


Womp womp
This all goes back the underlying idea that Trump is truly the "idiot's ideal".

- His tacky gold-plated penthouses are what stupid people envision when they think of how rich people live
- His bully tactics are what what stupid people envision when they think of how powerful people behave
- His moronic speech patters are what stupid people envision when they think of great orators
- His multiple (failed) businesses and (poor) financial track record are what stupid people envision when they define a successful businessman

So it holds true that this current round of immature, stomp my feet, "take my ball and go home" negotiation tactics are what stupid people envision when they think of a powerful, successful negotiator.

And let's face it, there are lots of stupid people in this country right now.
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Re: Shutdown

Post by malchior » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:17 pm

If the accounts are true, his mental state is razor thin. He asked if they opened the government would they (the Dems) vote within 30 days for wall. WHAT HAS CHANGED TO MAKE THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY? Pelosi says 'No' and he slams his hand on the desk and storms out? And the GOP keeps whistling away the days? Is there any way out of this mess?

FWIW - here is the very trustworthy Kevin McCarthy describing the meeting. Huge key difference. Schumer claims Trump asked the 'wall' and McCarthy claims Trump asked for 'border security'. Since border security has always been on the table...


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Re: Shutdown

Post by Kraken » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:37 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:10 pm
And let's face it, there are lots of stupid people in this country right now.
Half of the population is below average. Now think about what "average" is.

(Yes, I know the differences between average, median, and mean. I'm not stupid. But close enough for a bumper sticker.)

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Re: Shutdown

Post by malchior » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm

Kraken wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:37 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:10 pm
And let's face it, there are lots of stupid people in this country right now.
Half of the population is below average. Now think about what "average" is.

(Yes, I know the differences between average, median, and mean. I'm not stupid. But close enough for a bumper sticker.)
I'm beginning to wonder if the distribution is skewed a bit non-normal and towards low.

Or maybe this is a factor...I wouldn't be surprised that they are targeted with fake news at a higher percentage.


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Re: Shutdown

Post by LordMortis » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:04 pm

Who were under the impression young people were the great disseminators of non sourced material and propaganda? Maybe youth not sourcing information is a myth held by old people? Young people will stop everything to look shit up on their phone. That would have been my mom's dream when I was a child when her answer to everything was "look it up".

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Re: Shutdown

Post by El Guapo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:06 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:04 pm
Who were under the impression young people were the great disseminators of non sourced material and propaganda? Maybe youth not sourcing information is a myth held by old people? Young people will stop everything to look shit up on their phone. That would have been my mom's dream when I was a child when her answer to everything was "look it up".
Yeah, I had the same reaction. Now I would think that the userbase of Facebook would skew slightly young, but other than that, who doesn't think that old people believe some crazy shit when they see it online?

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