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I consider myself a Christian but why do so many find the need to stick their bills in other people's business? If you dont like it dont watch it morons.
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Post by hitbyambulance » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:44 pm

this might be first signs that 'netflix' is now genericized for 'any streaming video on tv'

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Post by Skinypupy » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:55 pm

"Hail Satan" prayer at city council meeting prompts walkout.
Several attendees at a government meeting open to the public in Alaska walked out in protest after an opening prayer praised Satan.

The Associated Press reports the prayer, where a woman declared “Hail Satan,” was given by Satanic Temple member Iris Fontana, who won the right to open the meeting with an invocation of her choice.

“That which will not bend, must break, and that which can be destroyed by truth should never be spared as demise. It is done, hail Satan,” Fontana said to open the meeting, according to local radio station KSRM

The controversial prayer Tuesday night started the meeting of the Kenai Peninsula Borough and prompted several attendees to exit.

A protest outside the borough’s administration building ensued, drawing 40 or so people.
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Post by Daehawk » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:42 pm

Well Id never worship satan but I do get a kick out of that place's antics. Also for a country of religious freedom it seems it more like religious freedom if its our's or we agree with it.
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Post by Skinypupy » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:58 pm

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Well Id never worship satan but I do get a kick out of that place's antics. Also for a country of religious freedom it seems it more like religious freedom if its our's or we agree with it.
They don't actually worship Satan. From the Satanic Temple's FAQ page (Church of Satan is similar):
DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN?

No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
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Post by Holman » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:08 pm

How did the petitioners miss the point that (per Neil Gaiman) the show's Angel and the Devil are actually and homoerotically in love with each other? Surely they should be up in arms about that as well.
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Post by Grifman » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:47 pm

People can be so stupid. I had a few people at my church circulating petitions about Proctor and Gamble's symbol being "satanic" and Madelyn Murry O'Hair (back when she was alive) trying to get Christians off of TV (all long and old rumors and disproven at the time) - at least until I corrected them.

That said, this is a virtually unknown organization and I guess you can easily find 20,000 idiots in any group consisting of millions, bless their souls.
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Post by Kraken » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:09 pm

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That said, this is a virtually unknown organization and I guess you can easily find 20,000 idiots in any group consisting of millions, bless their souls.
I see what you did there. :)

If they aren't actual devil worshipers, the Satanic Temple chose their name poorly. Based on their mission statement they would have been more popular using Lucifer, the Light Bringer. If you're going to have a divisive name, at least get your symbolism right.

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Post by Holman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:29 am

I don't know a whole lot about it, but my impression is that the Church of Satan began in the 1950s/60s as a kind of underground beat-hippie club pursuing the occult and only gradually morphed into its current "respectable" atheistic/rationalist incarnation.
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Post by Skinypupy » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:27 am

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I don't know a whole lot about it, but my impression is that the Church of Satan began in the 1950s/60s as a kind of underground beat-hippie club pursuing the occult and only gradually morphed into its current "respectable" atheistic/rationalist incarnation.
Here's a handy-dandy comparison chart. It's from Satanic Temple so there's obviously some bias involved, but it covers the main differences and similarities pretty well.

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Post by Max Peck » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:15 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
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It's from CoS, so there's obviously some bias involved
*Cough*
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Post by Skinypupy » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:34 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:15 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
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It's from CoS, so there's obviously some bias involved
*Cough*
Whoops. Corrected in the OP
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Why can't servants of The Great Adversary just get along??
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Post by hepcat » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:50 pm

I don't consider them Christians at this point. The overwhelming majority of evangelicals in this country have sold their souls for power. I truly hope that actual Christians take a stance against these false ones someday soon. If Jesus were alive today, he'd probably be the first person to block Falwell on twitter.
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Christian Grifting:
What Aliera Healthcare was peddling was not insurance, but rather connection to a Christian health care cost-sharing ministry, an obscure but growing type of coverage based on the biblical principle that the like-minded should help each other in times of need. Members contribute monthly into an Aliera-administered fund to help pay their future medical bills.

It sure sounded like insurance to Martinez. Or close enough. And, as a Christian, he figured any company marketing faith should be more trustworthy. He signed up in April 2018 and began paying Aliera thousands of dollars. The only problem: The plan turned out to be worthless. He now owes $129,000 in medical bills currently in collections.

As similar cases have surfaced across the country, regulators in several states, including Texas, are taking action against Aliera, accusing the 4-year-old company of fraudulently selling insurance without a license — a charge Aliera denies. But the story runs deeper, emerging as a tangled tale of broken deals, politics, religion, prison and, of course, money. And it is unfolding at a time when the nation’s health insurance regulations are steadily unspooling...

...Aliera, however, is under no legal obligation to pay claims. In fact, authorities allege just 20 cents out of every dollar collected in member fees appear to go to medical bills. That’s the exact opposite of Affordable Care Act rules that generally require insurers devote 80 percent of what they collect in premiums to covering health care costs.

Texas insurance authorities also say that Aliera’s affiliated health-sharing ministry, Trinity HealthShare, fails to comply with state rules on such groups and operates as a “shell that was created to disguise Aliera and its control by Aliera.”...

...The concept of health care cost-sharing ministries is often likened to an old-time Amish barn-raising, with people of faith helping each other in times of trouble. But in fact, the groups have become big business and increasingly under scrutiny.

Because they are mostly unregulated, no one knows for sure how many exist in this country, where they are or how many members they have. A decade ago, overall membership in health-share ministries was thought to be around 200,000. Now, it is estimated at more than 1 million.

Health policy experts believe what propelled the rapid growth is a special carve out in the Affordable Care Act that exempted members from the law’s requirement to carry traditional health insurance or face a penalty. Lawmakers agreed to the exemption after the groups argued it was a matter of religious freedom.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:07 pm

We see those all the time. The patients call it insurance and think it is. It is not. I freaking hate those and the "liberty" ones.
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... he'd probably be hanging out with the atheists, shaking his head at all the other organized religions and all their hate.
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Tasmania
A Tasmanian family has been ordered to pay more than $2 million to the Australian Taxation Office after failing to pay income tax on the grounds it "goes against God's will".

Christian missionaries Fanny Alida Beerepoot and Rembertus Cornelis Beerepoot faced the Supreme Court of Tasmania on Wednesday after they both failed to pay an estimated $930,000 in income tax and other charges in 2017.

Solicitor Stephen Linden told the court the pair had been served two notices of their debt and had failed to lodge their tax returns.
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[Mr Beerepoot] argued that by being made to pay taxes, their dependence on God was being taken away from them, which was causing Australia to be cursed.
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In 2017, the family had their 2.44-hectare property at Mole Creek in Northern Tasmania seized and later sold for $120,000 by the Meander Valley Council after they refused to pay about $3,000 worth of rates on the property over seven years.

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Christian missionaries Fanny Alida Beerepoot and Rembertus Cornelis Beerepoot faced the Supreme Court of Tasmania on Wednesday after they both failed to pay an estimated $930,000 in income tax and other charges in 2017.
What kind of income do missionaries make that they have ~$930K in income tax?

Do they get $1 every time someone chuckles at their names?
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The Beerepoot family own the Melita Honey Farm, a popular tourist stop in Chudleigh, northern Tasmania.
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The unpaid rates cover three properties: the honey farm shopfront in Chudleigh, a nearby house and a bed and breakfast at the nearby township of Mole Creek.

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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:24 pm

Placing this here for the second quote's line. Has anyone heard of this before (it's new to me):
Four family members belonging to a Utah polygamist group admitted defrauding the U.S. of $512 million in renewable-fuel tax credits, with the leader saying the mastermind was an Armenian immigrant who owns a small oil and gas empire in Southern California. That businessman now faces trial alone.

The leader, Jacob Kingston, who was the chief executive officer of Washakie Renewable Energy LLC, pleaded guilty July 18 in federal court in Salt Lake City. He said his company falsely claimed that it produced or blended biodiesel fuel to qualify for tax credits. He also admitted laundering more than $100 million in fraud proceeds in Turkey, obstructing justice and tampering with witnesses.
The *really* interesting section that I have a question about:
“The Order also promotes a practice of ‘bleeding the beast,’ wherein Order members are encouraged to obtain as much money as possible from local, state and federal government agencies for the benefit of the Order, because of the fear that the government will seek to punish them for their way of life,” prosecutors said last month in court papers.
Anyone heard of this "bleeding the beast" religious movement before?
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Post by Holman » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:47 pm

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Anyone heard of this "bleeding the beast" religious movement before?
Sounds like just an application of "Starve the Beast," the Reagan/Bush/+ strategy of cutting funding for regulations/enforcement/etc.

In other words it's more political than religious, but if right-wing activists no longer make the distinction then neither should we.
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Pyperkub wrote:
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Anyone heard of this "bleeding the beast" religious movement before?
Not specifically by that phrase, but there was a wave of arrests in NJ a few years ago in a part of the state where the Orthodox Jewish community has significant numbers. Anyway, there were 26 people arrested for defrauding the government by misrepresenting income levels to collect various forms of public assistance. It was apparently a "thing" for quite some time and I'm not sure what finally prompted this investigation and arrests. Maybe they were looking to make an example of them.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:25 pm

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A former pastor who wrote a bestselling book on traditional relationships has confirmed the end of his marriage, apologized for opposing LGBTQ rights and announced he is no longer a Christian.

Joshua Harris' book "I Kissed Dating Goodbye", which railed against sex before marriage and homosexuality, sold over 1 million copies and became a fixture in Christian youth groups after coming out 22 years ago.

But Harris now says the 1997 work "contributed to a culture of exclusion and bigotry," and that he has "undergone a massive shift in regard to my faith in Jesus."
Writing on Instagram, he added: "By all the measurements that I have for defining a Christian, I am not a Christian."

"I have lived in repentance for the past several years -- repenting of my self-righteousness, my fear-based approach to life, the teaching of my books, my views of women in the church, and my approach to parenting to name a few," Harris wrote in the post.

"To the LGBTQ+ community, I want to say that I am sorry for the views that I taught in my books and as a pastor regarding sexuality. I regret standing against marriage equality, for not affirming you and your place in the church, and for any ways that my writing and speaking contributed to a culture of exclusion and bigotry. I hope you can forgive me," he went on.

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An alleged "Pastor" who is in reality a horrifying excuse for a human being.
This is Adam Fannin of the Stedfast Baptist Church in Florida and he is going to get me (Sarah Silverman) killed.
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Post by Holman » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:46 pm

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An alleged "Pastor" who is in reality a horrifying excuse for a human being.
This is Adam Fannin of the Stedfast Baptist Church in Florida and he is going to get me (Sarah Silverman) killed.
("Stedfast" is not a typo.)

I visited their website, where you can watch all the videotaped sermons you can stomach. They hate Catholics and mainstream Protestants as much as they hate Jews, Muslims, and secularists. It's nauseating.

This kind of church convinces me that right-wing Evangelicalism is no longer a part of the historical continuity of Christendom but something closer to an ISIS-style theopolitical cult.
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Post by malchior » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:55 pm

Holman wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:46 pm
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An alleged "Pastor" who is in reality a horrifying excuse for a human being.
This is Adam Fannin of the Stedfast Baptist Church in Florida and he is going to get me (Sarah Silverman) killed.
("Stedfast" is not a typo.)

I visited their website, where you can watch all the videotaped sermons you can stomach. They hate Catholics and mainstream Protestants as much as they hate Jews, Muslims, and secularists. It's nauseating.

This kind of church convinces me that right-wing Evangelicalism is no longer a part of the historical continuity of Christendom but something closer to an ISIS-style theopolitical cult.
I don't know if I'd broadly call it that because 'evangelicalism' is a huge umbrella in the US. There are definitely some segments that match that cult description. I just don't know if it is a majority or some smaller sliver. That said, they are clearly overlooking everything negative about Trump because he is delivering on their desire to impose their worldview on the populace. That is the scariest part of all this. We have feared a religious theocracy for years and it might be imposed by a guy who is faking it. That isn't going to go well.

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Post by Daehawk » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:12 pm

I believe in God and all that entails but F me I also believe in intelligence and compassion and understanding of others. Also to try and keep my nose out of other's beeswax. More than almost anything I hate tv preachers. Liars. Morons. Shitheads one and all. All they want is to trick people, guide their lives, get rich, stick their private parts in anything that has a heartbeat, and pull the wool over the weak minded eyes of their flocks.

"God says I need a giant church built for me. He also says I need a big ass expensive jet. Lastly my mansion is way too small and needs upgraded and a new limo". The only joy I get from them is knowing they are trading in a blink of an eye on Earth pleasure in exchange for an eternity of burning in pain and I get joy from that. So maybe Im not so good a person.

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I don't know if I'd broadly call it that because 'evangelicalism' is a huge umbrella in the US. There are definitely some segments that match that cult description. I just don't know if it is a majority or some smaller sliver. That said, they are clearly overlooking everything negative about Trump because he is delivering on their desire to impose their worldview on the populace. That is the scariest part of all this. We have feared a religious theocracy for years and it might be imposed by a guy who is faking it. That isn't going to go well.
Agree that "evangelicalism" is a somewhat broad category. There are even some left-wing evangelical churches.

But the capital-E term is pretty much trademarked at this point by denominations preaching no distinction between the way they construe the Gospel and the tenets of right-wing politics in America. This began in the late 1970s with the Moral Majority and has only solidified since.

I grew up suburban-evangelical Church of Christ in Atlanta and Birmingham in the 1980s. By the end of the decade I was attending a church with an Atlanta-wide reputation for "liberalism" within the denomination (never mind that Biblical literalism was still part of the foundation).

From what I can tell now, they have shut down or changed their affiliation since I left.
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Post by Grifman » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Stephen Colbert's moving interview with Anderson Cooper on loss, suffering and faith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_xcFSiK7V8
On Thursday, Stephen Colbert sat down with Anderon Cooper for a wide-ranging conversation that delved into Colbert’s more somber, serious side. In addition to a lengthy discussion about heresy, a visibly emotional Cooper asked Colbert about a statement he gave to GQ — which itself was lifted from a Tolkien essay: “What punishments of God are not gifts?”

“Do you really believe that?” Cooper asks.

Colbert expounds on the idea by explaining his ideas about grief and suffering, and why he tries not to qualify his gratitude to God. It’s one of the more moving and thoughtful conversations about loss you could ever hope to hear, and it was on CNN of all places.

"You said "what punishment of gods are not gifts. Do you really believe that?" Aanderson Cooper, choking back tears, asks Stephen Colbert, as they discuss grief.

"Yes," replies the comedian. "It's a gift to exist and with existence comes suffering. There's no escaping that."

“If you’re grateful for your life …not everybody is and I’m not always, but it’s the most positive thing to do, then you have to be grateful for all of it. You can’t pick and choose what you’re grateful for,” Colbert says.

Cooper relates by with some wisdom he received from his mother about how you can’t understand happiness without also having some sadness.

“That’s the great gift of the sacrifice of Christ, is that God does it too,” Colbert says. “That you’re really not alone.”
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Post by Isgrimnur » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:09 pm

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A North Carolina police officer is suing for religious discrimination after he said he was fired for refusing to spend extended time with a woman who isn’t his wife, a practice commonly known as the “Billy Graham Rule.”

Manuel Torres, 51, worked as a deputy for the Lee County Sheriff for five years when his boss asked him to train a female deputy in July 2017. Torres requested a religious accommodation, the suit alleges, saying he “holds the strong and sincere religious belief that the Holy Bible prohibits him, as a married man, from being alone for extended periods with a female who is not his wife.”

Torres, a Baptist who serves as a deacon at his local church, said in the suit that training his colleague would leave the appearance of “sinful conduct.”
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Now a federal court will decide if the case, first reported by the Charlotte Observer, amounts to discrimination. Torres is seeking monetary relief, damages for emotional distress, and compensation for future and lost wages, according to the complaint. The suit appears to be the first time the rule has been brought to court as a religious discrimination matter.

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Re: Religion Randomness

Post by Daehawk » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:49 pm

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Harry Potter books removed from St. Edward Catholic School due to 'curses and spells'
"These books present magic as both good and evil, which is not true, but in fact a clever deception. The curses and spells used in the books are actual curses and spells; which when read by a human being risk conjuring evil spirits into the presence of the person reading the text," the email states.
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Re: Religion Randomness

Post by Blackhawk » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:52 pm

This isn't to be taken lightly. I remember when I was reading Harry Potter out loud to my kids and accidentally killed the neighbor with Avada Kedavra.
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Re: Religion Randomness

Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:53 pm

I don't recall bears eating any of the children.

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Re: Religion Randomness

Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:54 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:52 pm
This isn't to be taken lightly. I remember when I was reading Harry Potter out loud to my kids and accidentally killed the neighbor with Avada Kedavra.
My oldest son has been listening to these on Audible. It's starting to explain some of the odd occurrences at our house lately . . . .
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Re: Religion Randomness

Post by gameoverman » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:08 pm

On that Billy Graham rule thing, how long is an 'extended period' of time? How does the Bible define 'alone'? I mean if I'm training someone, yeah we might be alone, as in no one else is around, for periods of time. But unless the job involves working by yourself, we will likely be around other people every so often. We might, if we were law enforcement, be within sight of many people although we might be 'alone' together, in a car for example.

That's my long winded way of saying I think this rule is BS. It depends on arbitrary measurements of time and space. Let's say this guy is in a staff room with other cops during a meeting. After the meeting the room clears out, except for him and one female deputy, both of them are busy writing notes or whatever. How long can he stay in there with her before the rule kicks in? Does he need to keep checking the time so he's ready to bolt before the countdown hits 0:00? If another deputy returns to the room briefly because he forgot something then leaves again, does that reset the timer? If there's a window and someone outside walks by and looks in the room does that count as alone or not?

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