Pope Francis has called for a translation of a phrase about temptation in the Lord's Prayer to be changed.
The current wording that says "lead us not into temptation" is not a good translation because God does not lead humans to sin, he says.
His suggestion is to use "do not let us fall into temptation" instead, he told Italian TV on Wednesday night.
The Lord's Prayer is the best-known prayer in Christianity.
The pontiff said France's Roman Catholic Church was now using the new wording "do not let us fall into temptation" as an alternative, and something similar should be used worldwide.
"Do not let me fall into temptation because it is I who fall, it is not God who throws me into temptation and then sees how I fell," he told TV2000, an Italian Catholic TV channel.
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Lord's Prayer: Pope Francis calls for change
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Slow down Frank! Next thing you know you will be saying that those crackers are just crackers and not the flesh of Jesus.
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Legitimate point. When I was a kid I suspected that leading me into temptation was a dick move on God's part. That's supposed to be Satan's job.
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Is it weird that warship and worship are the same word?
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Yes. It means you are pronouncing one of them wrong.
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Wait. What?
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Warship. Wurship.
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war·shipLordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:41 pmWait. What?
ˈwôrˌSHip/
wor·ship
/wərSHəp/
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I thought that might be a stretch, but gave it a shot. Use google for "Define warship" and in the definition is a little speaker that you can click on to hear the word. Same with worship.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:46 pmYou would think that would help me hear the difference, but nope.
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W ore ship Were ship
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Dialects are a thing. Everyone around here goes to Sunday warship, then comes home and warshes the deeshes.
There may be a pronunciation that is 'standard', but that doesn't make it the only correct one. Hell, I probably only hear it because I moved around so much growing up.
There may be a pronunciation that is 'standard', but that doesn't make it the only correct one. Hell, I probably only hear it because I moved around so much growing up.
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Old Order Amish family must connect to public sewer, use electricity, Pa. court says. Yeah, let's drag those Amish into the 21st century.
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Texas
A state district judge in Comal County said God told him to intervene in jury deliberations to sway jurors to return a not guilty verdict in the trial of a Buda woman accused of trafficking a teen girl for sex.
Judge Jack Robison apologized to jurors for the interruption, but defended his actions by telling them “when God tells me I gotta do something, I gotta do it,” according to the Herald-Zeitung in New Braunfels.
The jury went against the judge’s wishes, finding Gloria Romero-Perez guilty of continuous trafficking of a person and later sentenced her to 25 years in prison. They found her not guilty of a separate charge of sale or purchase of a child.
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The Herald-Zeitung reported that Robison recused himself before the trial’s sentencing phase and was replaced by Judge Gary Steele. The defendant’s attorney asked for a mistrial, but was denied.
Robison’s actions could trigger an investigation from the State Commission on Judicial Conduct, which has disciplined Robison in the past.
In 2011, the commission slapped Robison with a private reprimand for improperly jailing a Caldwell County grandfather who had called him a fool for a ruling Robison made in a child custody case involving the man’s granddaughter.
The reprimand, the commission’s harshest form of rebuke, said Robison “exceeded the scope of his authority and failed to comply with the law” by jailing the man for contempt of court without a hearing or advance notice of the charge.
The act of intervening in a jury’s deliberations is not addressed in the state’s list of judicial canons, which serves as an ethical code for judges. However, it states judges shall “comply with the law and should act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary.”
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Crap..wrong thread. Sorry
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For a guy that's hinting at retirement, what happens to his campaign fund?
Also, aren't corps under the same limits that individuals are?
Also also, selling your soul for half a million dollars seems incredibly cheap. It's a shame the Dems couldn't just dip into their funds and offer him a million or something.
Also, aren't corps under the same limits that individuals are?
Also also, selling your soul for half a million dollars seems incredibly cheap. It's a shame the Dems couldn't just dip into their funds and offer him a million or something.
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The final line in the article says that the contributions would be "redirected" in that eventuality. Also, IIRC, any money that ends up in a PAC would be Ryan's to keep.
That is only one of many contributions that he received in 2017 alone. The one percent is taking good care of Speaker Ryan.
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The wife expressed an interest in seeing the Shen Yun performance of "5,000 years of Civilization". I dutifully bought tickets. We went last night, and were treated to something with the production values of a community theater*, heavily leavened with religious indoctrination of Falun Gong and their persecution under Chinese rule.
The dancing and choreography were well done, but the some of the costumes looked like they'd been purchased at a mall costume store. The computerized backdrops look like they were generated on a machine that shipped with Windows 2000. You could almost taste the pixels. And the propaganda was recurrent and transparent. At one point, one of the the dancers is holding a banner that reads "Falun Dafa is Good." It's almost as if they were trying to tell me something...
The prices I paid for the tickets were ludicrously high for something that looks like there was more time spent on the messaging than the actual infrastructure.
*No offense to those that run community theater and put on the best shows that they possibly can. Given that this organization supposedly has five troupes touring the globe, one would think that they could spend a bit more on costumes that don't appear to be made out of orange Naugahyde.
The dancing and choreography were well done, but the some of the costumes looked like they'd been purchased at a mall costume store. The computerized backdrops look like they were generated on a machine that shipped with Windows 2000. You could almost taste the pixels. And the propaganda was recurrent and transparent. At one point, one of the the dancers is holding a banner that reads "Falun Dafa is Good." It's almost as if they were trying to tell me something...
The prices I paid for the tickets were ludicrously high for something that looks like there was more time spent on the messaging than the actual infrastructure.
*No offense to those that run community theater and put on the best shows that they possibly can. Given that this organization supposedly has five troupes touring the globe, one would think that they could spend a bit more on costumes that don't appear to be made out of orange Naugahyde.
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It really pays off if you do it with jazz hands.
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I've been trying to convince one of my coworkers that does yoga that "Dog barks at pudding" is an actual position.
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My mom gave us tickets to that show for Christmas, and we’ll be seeing it in March. I wasn’t really looking forward to it to begin with, and now I’m even less interested. $120 already seemed a bit insane.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:55 pm The wife expressed an interest in seeing the Shen Yun performance of "5,000 years of Civilization". I dutifully bought tickets. We went last night, and were treated to something with the production values of a community theater*, heavily leavened with religious indoctrination of Falun Gong and their persecution under Chinese rule.
The dancing and choreography were well done, but the some of the costumes looked like they'd been purchased at a mall costume store. The computerized backdrops look like they were generated on a machine that shipped with Windows 2000. You could almost taste the pixels. And the propaganda was recurrent and transparent. At one point, one of the the dancers is holding a banner that reads "Falun Dafa is Good." It's almost as if they were trying to tell me something...
The prices I paid for the tickets were ludicrously high for something that looks like there was more time spent on the messaging than the actual infrastructure.
*No offense to those that run community theater and put on the best shows that they possibly can. Given that this organization supposedly has five troupes touring the globe, one would think that they could spend a bit more on costumes that don't appear to be made out of orange Naugahyde.
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At least you can write it off as a religious donation.Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:22 amMy mom gave us tickets to that show for Christmas, and we’ll be seeing it in March. I wasn’t really looking forward to it to begin with, and now I’m even less interested. $120 already seemed a bit insane.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:55 pm The wife expressed an interest in seeing the Shen Yun performance of "5,000 years of Civilization". I dutifully bought tickets. We went last night, and were treated to something with the production values of a community theater*, heavily leavened with religious indoctrination of Falun Gong and their persecution under Chinese rule.
The dancing and choreography were well done, but the some of the costumes looked like they'd been purchased at a mall costume store. The computerized backdrops look like they were generated on a machine that shipped with Windows 2000. You could almost taste the pixels. And the propaganda was recurrent and transparent. At one point, one of the the dancers is holding a banner that reads "Falun Dafa is Good." It's almost as if they were trying to tell me something...
The prices I paid for the tickets were ludicrously high for something that looks like there was more time spent on the messaging than the actual infrastructure.
*No offense to those that run community theater and put on the best shows that they possibly can. Given that this organization supposedly has five troupes touring the globe, one would think that they could spend a bit more on costumes that don't appear to be made out of orange Naugahyde.
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Raw Story
Given that obituaries are generally paid placements, I'm pretty sure the publisher doesn't have a leg to stand on, as it's not a "news item".A local newspaper in Texas removed references to a gay couple in their mother’s obituary, citing ”religious and ethical reasons,” Fox News 4 reports.
Barry Giles and John Gambill, who have been married for 31 years, say the Olto[n], Texas paper scrubbed references to Gambill after Giles’ mom died. The couple had included both their names in the obituary they sent to Giles’ hometown paper, writing “those left to cherish her memory include her son, Barry Giles and his husband, John Gambill of Dallas.”
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Gambill said he confronted Phillip Hamilton, the newspaper publisher, asking why his name was excluded from his mother-in-laws obituary. Hamilton replied, ‘Because I wanted to.’”
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In a statement, Hamilton defended his decision to leave out Gambill’s name and relationship to Giles.
“It is my religious conviction that a male cannot have a husband,” Hamilton said. “It is also my belief that to publish anything contrary to God’s Word on this issue would be to publish something in the newspaper that is not true.”
“The newspaper respects the First Amendment rights of those who express such opinions,” Hamilton said. “The newspaper’s decision to edit the obituary is both ethical and lawful. It would be unethical to publish a news item that is known by the editor to be false. Based on the truth found in the Word of God, I could not in good conscience identify Mr. Gamabill [sic] as the husband of Mr. Giles.”
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He could choose not to publish the obit at all, probably. It would be hard for him to accept money and then not fulfill the contractual obligation associated with it though, as you said.
Also, what a giant c**k of a publisher. Other people's grief is not a playground for you to exert your personal belief system.
Also, what a giant c**k of a publisher. Other people's grief is not a playground for you to exert your personal belief system.
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Tennessee
A bill requiring Tennessee schools to prominently display the national "In God We Trust" motto is headed to the governor for his signature.
The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Susan Lynn, R-Mt. Juliet, overwhelmingly passed the state House on Monday with 81 of the 99 members voting in favor of it. Before the vote, the Republican lawmaker spoke from the House floor about the prominence of the phrase.
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The bill requires schools display the motto in a prominent location where students are likely to see it, like a school entryway, cafeteria or common area. It offers more freedom on what form it takes, suggesting that it could be a mounted plaque or student artwork.
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Laws requiring the display of "In God We Trust" in schools are already on the books in other states.
The Tennessee legislation appears to be a part of a wave of similar "In God We Trust" bills under consideration this year by state lawmakers across the country. Like-minded legislation has popped up in Arkansas, Florida, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Wyoming, according to news reports.
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Just more stupid shit from my state Gov. Im sure this will go over great with the Feds, atheists, and the ACLU.
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In the bathrooms.
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The Florida Legislature tried to do the same thing. It was actually pushed through the FL House by Democrats.
I don't think it made it out of the FL Senate though. The last news articles I see are from when it was approved in the House.
I don't think it made it out of the FL Senate though. The last news articles I see are from when it was approved in the House.
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You just know the church of satan or whatever it is they call themselves will push to have something like that with satan in it hung in schools too. Its the entire reason for their being.
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Unfortunately, for "In God we trust," it's gotten plenty of court decision coverage that it's not specific enough to violate the establishment cause. Which, on it's face, might be arguable. But in practice, it's anything but.
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