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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by hepcat » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:13 am

Rip hates that Hillary Clinton and her unbridled sexuality, seductive curves and full lips! At least that's what his "I Hate That Hillary Makes Me Feel This Way!" page states.
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Post by Rip » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:37 pm

I can easily come up with better, just not as funny.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/publishin ... cle/795079
In an email this evening, a veteran publishing source calls the latest Hillary Clinton book, Hard Choices, a memoir of her State Department years, a “bomb.” The source is referring to the early but underwhelming sales figures.

“Between us, they are nervous at S&S [Simon & Schuster],” says the source, who gave permission for his email to be published. “Sales were well below expectations and the media was a disaster.”

According to this source, a Simon & Schuster insider, “They sold 60,000 hard covers first week and 24,000 ebooks.” The publishing house was “hoping and praying for 150,000 print first week.”

“The 60k represents a less than 10% sell thru based on what they shipped,” says the source.

It’s been reported that one million copies of Clinton’s book were shipped weeks before the June 10 publication date. “They will be lucky to sell 150,000 total lifetime,” the source writes in the email.

Hillary reportedly received a near-$14 million advance, a sum the publishing house will unlikely make back.

“It’s a bomb but it will be interesting to see how they spin it.”

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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by El Guapo » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:45 pm

Nah, still disappointing - that's still basically "low ratings". Her election supposedly threatened the future viability of America! You have to do better than this.

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Post by Andrew Wonser » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:53 pm

Wait.. is it ok to use anonymous sources now? I thought that was considered fake news.
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Post by Rip » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:56 pm

Andrew Wonser wrote:Wait.. is it ok to use anonymous sources now? I thought that was considered fake news.
Apparently not since Trump was elected, now anonymous sources are enough to launch special counsel investigations these days.

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Post by hepcat » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:41 pm

Andrew Wonser wrote:Wait.. is it ok to use anonymous sources now? I thought that was considered fake news.
If you're Trump, they're great when they praise you, fake news when they don't.
Rip wrote:I can easily come up with better, just not as funny.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/publishin ... cle/795079
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Sheesh, you and Hil should just stop this Sam and Diane schtick and get on with it.
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Moliere » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:39 pm

Since Rip is slacking I will post this here:

FBI denies FOI request regarding Hillary's emails because of a lack of public interest.

How is public interest measured in a case like this?
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Post by Rip » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:58 pm

Moliere wrote:Since Rip is slacking I will post this here:

FBI denies FOI request regarding Hillary's emails because of a lack of public interest.

How is public interest measured in a case like this?
It is measured in how bad it makes Hillary look. If it will don't release it, otherwise the public has an interest.

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Post by Zarathud » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:27 pm

Apparently the FBI knew about Hillary's book sales. :)

Can't be bothered by pardons (of a Republican) but e-mails are something REALLY important? Sigh.
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Holman » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:30 pm

It's worth pointing out that Trump has had like a dozen campaign emails released, and *every one of them* is worse than anything in the Clinton/Podesta/DNC dumps of thousands.
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Max Peck » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:35 pm

Moliere wrote:Since Rip is slacking I will post this here:

FBI denies FOI request regarding Hillary's emails because of a lack of public interest.

How is public interest measured in a case like this?
It would probably take a lawspeaker to make real sense of this, but one passage caught my eye:
Some public interest factors are properly taken into consideration and accorded great weight. For example, the courts have found the public interest in disclosure to be strong when requested information would inform the public about proven violations of public trust. See, e.g., Columbia Packing Co., Inc. v. Department of Agriculture, 563 F.2d 495, 499 (1st Cir. 1977) (federal employees found guilty of accepting bribes); Congressional News Syndicate v. Department of Justice, 438 F. Supp, 538, 544 (D.D.C. 1977) (misconduct by White House staffers). As one court has observed, there is an "obvious public interest in a full and thorough airing of . . . serious abuses that did in fact occur, in the hope that such abuses will not occur in the future." Tax Reform Research Group v. IRS, 419 F. Supp. 415, 418 (D.D.C. 1976).
That implies that nothing in the files supports any contention that Clinton committed anything along the line of "proven violations of public trust", if nothing else.
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Pyperkub » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:52 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Moliere wrote:Since Rip is slacking I will post this here:

FBI denies FOI request regarding Hillary's emails because of a lack of public interest.

How is public interest measured in a case like this?
It would probably take a lawspeaker to make real sense of this, but one passage caught my eye:
Some public interest factors are properly taken into consideration and accorded great weight. For example, the courts have found the public interest in disclosure to be strong when requested information would inform the public about proven violations of public trust. See, e.g., Columbia Packing Co., Inc. v. Department of Agriculture, 563 F.2d 495, 499 (1st Cir. 1977) (federal employees found guilty of accepting bribes); Congressional News Syndicate v. Department of Justice, 438 F. Supp, 538, 544 (D.D.C. 1977) (misconduct by White House staffers). As one court has observed, there is an "obvious public interest in a full and thorough airing of . . . serious abuses that did in fact occur, in the hope that such abuses will not occur in the future." Tax Reform Research Group v. IRS, 419 F. Supp. 415, 418 (D.D.C. 1976).
That implies that nothing in the files supports any contention that Clinton committed anything along the line of "proven violations of public trust", if nothing else.
Which is pretty much what the conclusion of all the GOP Benghazi! witch hunt investigations as well as the FBI investigation were.
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by PLW » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:06 am

Holman wrote:It's worth pointing out that Trump has had like a dozen campaign emails released, and *every one of them* is worse than anything in the Clinton/Podesta/DNC dumps of thousands.
I like the juxtaposition.

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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Moliere » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:14 pm

Hillary blaming Sanders for offering even more free stuff to get votes.
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Post by gilraen » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:29 pm

She's actually spot-on.

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Post by Defiant » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:47 pm

Yeah, I remember that pony meme, and it was spot on. During the primary, whereas Clinton came up with concrete (and dull) plans for how to accomplish things, Sanders was, meanwhile, pissing all over the Obama administrations very hard-fought accomplishments.

Edit: This is what I'm talking about.

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Post by Pyperkub » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:05 pm

Moliere wrote: Hillary blaming Sanders for offering even more free stuff to get votes.
Worked for Trump - his whole schtick is essentially affirmative action for whites.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:27 pm

People buy the bullshit, impossible promises politicians make during campaign runs? Imagine if strategists figured that out!
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...and?
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Isgrimnur wrote:...and?
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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:45 pm

You have a sitting president willing to cause economic harm to American companies because their CEO resigns from one of his councils, but Clinton is all about settling scores.

Fuck off.

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Post by Moliere » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:49 pm

Hillary's next book will explain why her book "What Happened" failed.
Saying it would provide a candid account of her experiences writing an unsuccessful tell-all, sources confirmed Thursday that Hillary Clinton is already working on a follow-up book casting blame for the failures of her previous memoir What Happened. “From my agent negotiating that underwhelming deal with Simon & Schuster, to the graphic designer’s lackluster cover art, to my so-called supporters who couldn’t be bothered to drop $17.99 for the hardcover copy—everyone had a hand in undermining my last book’s success,” reads a passage from the introduction to Clinton’s What Also Happened, which repeatedly decries her prior book’s “indecipherable” font and dedicates an entire chapter to lashing out at her copy editor for making her look like “an idiot third-grader.”
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Post by Holman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:14 pm

Given how weird, contentious, and culturally significant the 2016 election was, it's crazy that people think there's something wrong in Clinton telling her side of it. The attacks on her for writing a book are part of the same pattern that keeps Sean Hannity harping on her emails even today. And never mind, of course, that .1% of the people complaining about the book have actually opened it.

Meanwhile, I can think of someone prominent who complains, brags, or tweets about the 2016 election pretty much every day.
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What Happened!?
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:50 am

Holman wrote:Given how weird, contentious, and culturally significant the 2016 election was, it's crazy that people think there's something wrong in Clinton telling her side of it. The attacks on her for writing a book are part of the same pattern that keeps Sean Hannity harping on her emails even today. And never mind, of course, that .1% of the people complaining about the book have actually opened it.

Meanwhile, I can think of someone prominent who complains, brags, or tweets about the 2016 election pretty much every day.
It's an interesting thought experiment to consider - is there anything Clinton could say publicly that would not be widely attacked?

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Post by PLW » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:51 am

Holman wrote:And never mind, of course, that .1% of the people complaining about the book have actually opened one.
Mortoned.

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Post by hepcat » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:08 am

Holman wrote:Given how weird, contentious, and culturally significant the 2016 election was, it's crazy that people think there's something wrong in Clinton telling her side of it. The attacks on her for writing a book are part of the same pattern that keeps Sean Hannity harping on her emails even today. And never mind, of course, that .1% of the people complaining about the book have actually opened it.

Meanwhile, I can think of someone prominent who complains, brags, or tweets about the 2016 election pretty much every day.
Can you even begin to imagine the book that Trump would have released had he lost? My God, the amount of thrashing and flailing about in an effort to blame everyone but himself would have been epic. I can't wait for his ass to get bounced in 2020 so that book comes to fruition. :wub:
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Post by Holman » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:32 am

It won't be a book. It will be a weeks-long tweetstorm that doesn't end until he accidentally-on-purpose declares that he has a Vladimir Putin tattoo on his butt because Vlad is "Way way better than Sad President Pocahontus Warren who is also a girl."
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:40 am

hepcat wrote:
Holman wrote:Given how weird, contentious, and culturally significant the 2016 election was, it's crazy that people think there's something wrong in Clinton telling her side of it. The attacks on her for writing a book are part of the same pattern that keeps Sean Hannity harping on her emails even today. And never mind, of course, that .1% of the people complaining about the book have actually opened it.

Meanwhile, I can think of someone prominent who complains, brags, or tweets about the 2016 election pretty much every day.
Can you even begin to imagine the book that Trump would have released had he lost? My God, the amount of thrashing and flailing about in an effort to blame everyone but himself would have been epic. I can't wait for his ass to get bounced in 2020 2018 so that book comes to fruition. :wub:
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Post by hepcat » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:56 am

Apologies to Hillary supporters, but some of the fake excerpts of her book are pretty funny.. :lol:
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Post by El Guapo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:21 am

How archaic to care about things like how a policy would actually work and its practical feasibility.

That said, man, I do wish she had run on that. It's both a progressive policy and one that actually has a lot of academic support, including from non-partisan center-right scholars.

Although I think that would have been pretty easy for Trump to politicize / racialize as a giveaway from hardworking white folk to lazy minorities.

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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:22 pm

Obama is the anti-christ because only rich people should expect to live, but somehow the right is on-board with free money for everyone?

Also, minimum wage is bad, but we'll just take your money and give it away works?

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:27 pm

GreenGoo wrote:Obama is the anti-christ because only rich people should expect to live, but somehow the right is on-board with free money for everyone?

Also, minimum wage is bad, but we'll just take your money and give it away works?
Why Milton Friedman Supported a Guaranteed Income (5 Reasons).

The Conservative Case for a Guaranteed Basic Income.

The Libertarian Case for a Basic Income.

A Guaranteed Income for Every American (WSJ op-ed).

I could go on.

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:28 pm

Until I see Rush's name in there, I think you're missing the point.

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:38 pm

I understand that politics being what it is, a soon as Clinton (or any other democratic nominee) adopted the idea, it would immediately become the End of America as far as the GOP establishment is concerned. But that's true for literally any policy, so it's irrelevant to which policies a candidate chooses to adopt.

But, that it has a some support in bipartisan sources has some value during a campaign, in forming those all important bullet points. Having one bullet point being "Guaranteed Basic Income for all Americans" is a solid bullet point help with progressives. "Supported by left and right wing scholars for decades, including Milton Freedman" is helpful to avoid the fear that this is some crazy scheme. The goal being to win your base and enough shaky centrists on the center-right to get you over the 51% voting threshold.

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Post by ImLawBoy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:38 pm

GreenGoo wrote:Until I see Rush's name in there, I think you're missing the point.
I'm totally missing your point. Could you spell it out for me?
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Re: The Hillary Clinton thread

Post by Moliere » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:42 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Until I see Rush's name in there, I think you're missing the point.
I'm totally missing your point. Could you spell it out for me?
Hillary is a big fan of their Tom Sawyer song. And Mark Twain advocated for Guaranteed Basic Income. Do you see the connection now?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:43 pm

What is her position on Fortunate Son? Scathing takedown of American society, or patriotic anthem worthy of a Wrangler commercial?
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