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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Vorret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am

Age is probably what's going to prevent him from being elected, same problem with Biden. Remove 15 years from any of them and they'd be perfect candidate.

In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Defiant » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:22 am

Vorret wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am

In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Ssh! We don't want America to take that as a challenge.

And yeah, I think it's possible we could find someone worse than Trump:
Spoiler:
eg., Roy Moore

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by hepcat » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:53 am

Thankfully Roy's horse won't fit through the WH doors, so we're safe.
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Vorret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:53 am

I hope I didn't jinx anything :P
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Moliere » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:27 pm

Defiant wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:22 am
Vorret wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am

In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Ssh! We don't want America to take that as a challenge.

And yeah, I think it's possible we could find someone worse than Trump:
Spoiler:
eg., Roy Moore
I was thinking the Toughest Sheriff in 'Merica© might be worse. And at 86 he has even that much more experience than Biden and Bernie.
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Unagi » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:57 am

Vorret wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am
In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Hold our beer.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Defiant » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:42 pm

Florida Democrats are denouncing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders for refusing to call Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro a dictator — a politically explosive issue in the nation’s biggest swing state.

Sanders also would not say whether he considered Venezuela’s assembly leader, Juan Guaidó, as the nation’s interim president, which is the position of the United States and a majority of Latin American countries European countries.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ro-1179636

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Holman » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 pm

That's classic Bernie: 21st-century economic Leftism spoiled by 20th-century political Leftism.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by GreenGoo » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:17 pm

Like that isn't true for every national politician under the sun.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Trent Steel » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:48 pm

Maybe not Ted Cruz.
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Jaymann » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:33 pm

Trent Steel wrote:
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Maybe not Ted Cruz.
BAM! Except in Ted Cruz's case they may want to spread the good news.
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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by GreenGoo » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:56 pm

And yet Cruz, one of the least likeable republicans in existence defeated democratic golden boy O'Rourke.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Kraken » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:19 pm

So this is a thing that happened on a Fox News "town hall."



Not the response Fox was looking for.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by El Guapo » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Kraken wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:19 pm
So this is a thing that happened on a Fox News "town hall."



Not the response Fox was looking for.
Why isn't that the predictable response? Yes, it's a Fox News town hall, but it's also a Bernie Sanders town hall. You figure odds are that the room's going to be evenly divided on that question at best.

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Post by Kraken » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm

Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
...
Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by El Guapo » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 am

Kraken wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm
Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?

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Re: Go Bernie!

Post by Kraken » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:50 am

El Guapo wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 am
Kraken wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm
Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
...
Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?
Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?

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