Octopus Overlords

Holman wrote: Clinton can't ignore that so many Democrats want aggressive policies around income inequality and etc, and she would be a fool to ignore that.

Defiant wrote: 3. Back in 2000, when Bradly was running against the Veep of a popular president, he managed to get 21% of the total vote for the primary despite dropping out halfway through. That suggests to me that there no matter who the frontrunner is, there are going to be those that will support someone else as an alternative.

Kurth wrote:
Please don't remind me of 2000, the election we could have had Bradley v. McCain and got stuck with Gore v. Bush.

Worst. Primary. Ever.

Defiant wrote:

Kurth wrote:
Please don't remind me of 2000, the election we could have had Bradley v. McCain and got stuck with Gore v. Bush.

Worst. Primary. Ever.

I'll remind you you said that when there's a worse primary.

Oh, would you look at the time. Hey, you remember that time you said that 2000 was the worst primary ever?

There’s no strategist pulling the strings, and no collection of burn-it-all-down aides egging him on. At the heart of the rage against Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, the campaign aides closest to him say, is Bernie Sanders.

Convinced as Sanders is that he’s realizing his lifelong dream of being the catalyst for remaking American politics—aides say he takes credit for a Harvard Kennedy School study in April showing young people getting more liberal, and he takes personal offense every time Clinton just dismisses the possibility of picking him as her running mate—his guiding principle under attack has basically boiled down to a feeling that multiple aides sum up as: “Screw me? No, screw you.”
Take the combative statement after the Nevada showdown.
“I don’t know who advised him that this was the right route to take, but we are now actively destroying what Bernie worked so hard to build over the last year just to pick up two fucking delegates in a state he lost,” rapid response director Mike Casca complained to Weaver in an internal campaign email obtained by POLITICO.

ABCNews.com wrote:Sen. Bernie Sanders is not dropping out of the presidential race, he told supporters at a rally Tuesday night, following Hillary Clinton's projected primary wins in New Jersey, New Mexico, and South Dakota.

He said of next week's primary in the District of Columbia, "Next week we continue the fight...We are going to fight hard to win the primary in Washington, D.C."

Sanders also said he is "taking the primary fight to...Philadelphia," a nod to the Democratic National Convention in July.

Newcastle wrote: He just sounds bitter and angy...I dont see him being too conciliatory and that's gonna cost him.

Around the same time, the Sanders campaign issued a statement of its own, emphasizing the same point it’s been stressing for months: super-delegates “do not vote until July 25,” so they may yet decide to give Sanders the nomination, even if he finishes in second place. Therefore, it may look like Clinton has clinched the nomination, but as the senator claimed last night, this is merely “an illusion.”

Whether or not a person buys into Sanders’ pitch appears to depend largely on whether or not that person wants Sanders to prevail, but there’s an important flaw in the senator’s argument: he used to believe the exact opposite of what he’s saying now.

Eight years ago this week, Sanders endorsed then-Sen. Barack Obama’s candidacy after the Illinois Democrat clinched a majority thanks to a combination of pledged delegates and commitments from party super-delegates.

It didn’t matter, Sanders said at the time, that super-delegates wouldn’t literally vote until the convention – because the outcome was obvious and the results were clear. Obama, Sanders said eight years ago, had won fair and square.

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

GreenGoo wrote:

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

Not everyone necessarily shares your opinion on this.

Max Peck wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

Not everyone necessarily shares your opinion on this.

Trump, for one.

GreenGoo wrote:

Max Peck wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

Not everyone necessarily shares your opinion on this.

Trump, for one.

Let me know when he swings by, I have a few choice words for him.

GreenGoo wrote:

Max Peck wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

Not everyone necessarily shares your opinion on this.

Trump, for one.

Let me know when he swings by, I have a few choice words for him.

GreenGoo wrote:Sigh. If he wants to have an opinion on this thread and it's title as Max originally suggested, he can damn well stop by and say so himself. And if he does, stepping into a place I call home, I'll speak to him then.

I'm not seeking him out.

Vorret wrote:Maybe he stays in case she goes to prison or something which will then have the nomination default to him, I think? (Not sure)

El Guapo wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around what Bernie's plan is leading up to the convention. The DC primary (the final primary) is next Tuesday - I guess he could campaign there, maybe try to pack a stadium for a speech, which might get media attention. Then...what? Door to door housecalls with superdelegates? Putting together superdelegate gift baskets?

Then what happens if (when) zero or close to zero superdelegates flip? Zero superdelegates have flipped to Sanders so far this primary, and there is essentially no reason for them to do so now. He just keeps trying to pitch them for five weeks? Then what - flip some tables at the convention?

What's the end game, beyond fighting words?

GreenGoo wrote:Sigh. If he wants to have an opinion on this thread and it's title as Max originally suggested, he can damn well stop by and say so himself. And if he does, stepping into a place I call home, I'll speak to him then.

I'm not seeking him out.

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around what Bernie's plan is leading up to the convention. The DC primary (the final primary) is next Tuesday - I guess he could campaign there, maybe try to pack a stadium for a speech, which might get media attention. Then...what? Door to door housecalls with superdelegates? Putting together superdelegate gift baskets?

Then what happens if (when) zero or close to zero superdelegates flip? Zero superdelegates have flipped to Sanders so far this primary, and there is essentially no reason for them to do so now. He just keeps trying to pitch them for five weeks? Then what - flip some tables at the convention?

What's the end game, beyond fighting words?

Bernie only has one chance at this and he has a HUGE microphone to get his message out. I agree he should get out as the outcome is already set, but my guess is that he'll bow out after D.C.

El Guapo wrote:

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around what Bernie's plan is leading up to the convention. The DC primary (the final primary) is next Tuesday - I guess he could campaign there, maybe try to pack a stadium for a speech, which might get media attention. Then...what? Door to door housecalls with superdelegates? Putting together superdelegate gift baskets?

Then what happens if (when) zero or close to zero superdelegates flip? Zero superdelegates have flipped to Sanders so far this primary, and there is essentially no reason for them to do so now. He just keeps trying to pitch them for five weeks? Then what - flip some tables at the convention?

What's the end game, beyond fighting words?

Bernie only has one chance at this and he has a HUGE microphone to get his message out. I agree he should get out as the outcome is already set, but my guess is that he'll bow out after D.C.

The microphone's only going to get smaller, though. As time passes without superdelegates flipping, the media's going to pay less and less attention to what he's saying. He could probably get media attention to one big superdelegate pitch speech, but after that that's about it. Even the D.C. primary's not ideal, as he's down 10 points there and is likely to get blown out. He campaigns there a week and then loses by double digits that's not going to make him look like a winner, exactly.

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

tru1cy wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around what Bernie's plan is leading up to the convention. The DC primary (the final primary) is next Tuesday - I guess he could campaign there, maybe try to pack a stadium for a speech, which might get media attention. Then...what? Door to door housecalls with superdelegates? Putting together superdelegate gift baskets?

Then what happens if (when) zero or close to zero superdelegates flip? Zero superdelegates have flipped to Sanders so far this primary, and there is essentially no reason for them to do so now. He just keeps trying to pitch them for five weeks? Then what - flip some tables at the convention?

What's the end game, beyond fighting words?

Bernie only has one chance at this and he has a HUGE microphone to get his message out. I agree he should get out as the outcome is already set, but my guess is that he'll bow out after D.C.

The microphone's only going to get smaller, though. As time passes without superdelegates flipping, the media's going to pay less and less attention to what he's saying. He could probably get media attention to one big superdelegate pitch speech, but after that that's about it. Even the D.C. primary's not ideal, as he's down 10 points there and is likely to get blown out. He campaigns there a week and then loses by double digits that's not going to make him look like a winner, exactly.

D.C. is similar to Baltimore and the Clintons (especially, Bill) are hugely popular and loved. He'll be doing good if he only loses by 10%. I'm sure they'll give him a spot at the convention especially to rally his supporters for Hilary that's if he's willing to do that. You're right that his microphone will only get smaller after DC

Max Peck wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Sigh. If he wants to have an opinion on this thread and it's title as Max originally suggested, he can damn well stop by and say so himself. And if he does, stepping into a place I call home, I'll speak to him then.

I'm not seeking him out.

Alternatively, perhaps I was suggesting that the real issue was whether or not people are of the opinion that Sanders needs to go (which, in turn, drives the question of whether or not the title of the thread should be changed), and that Trump is of the opinion that Sanders should stay in the ring until the bell rings in November. Why would I think Trump knows about the thread, or cares about the title?

El Guapo wrote:I would have thought that this thread would be the place to regularly post negative (or positive as one sees fit) articles about Bernie Sanders as news develops.

GreenGoo wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I would have thought that this thread would be the place to regularly post negative (or positive as one sees fit) articles about Bernie Sanders as news develops.

It absolutely is. But defiant doesn't like Bernie and has posted almost exclusively negative articles. The Hillary thread is for articles that are both positive and negative about Hillary, but no one seems to have any issues giving Rip crap for posting only negative articles.

In any case, I was not giving defiant crap, I was just stating that I found the constant barrage of negativity over the top and noteworthy.

GreenGoo wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I would have thought that this thread would be the place to regularly post negative (or positive as one sees fit) articles about Bernie Sanders as news develops.

It absolutely is. But defiant doesn't like Bernie and has posted almost exclusively negative articles. The Hillary thread is for articles that are both positive and negative about Hillary, but no one seems to have any issues giving Rip crap for posting only negative articles.

In any case, I was not giving defiant crap, I was just stating that I found the constant barrage of negativity over the top and noteworthy.

Defiant wrote:Perhaps I should abstain from posting articles, and should just post unflattering closeups of Sanders.

em2nought wrote:Will any Bernie supporters be looking to flee the country? Might I suggest https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuelans- ... 20476.html as a fitting socialist utopia.

GreenGoo wrote:

Max Peck wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Sigh. If he wants to have an opinion on this thread and it's title as Max originally suggested, he can damn well stop by and say so himself. And if he does, stepping into a place I call home, I'll speak to him then.

I'm not seeking him out.

Alternatively, perhaps I was suggesting that the real issue was whether or not people are of the opinion that Sanders needs to go (which, in turn, drives the question of whether or not the title of the thread should be changed), and that Trump is of the opinion that Sanders should stay in the ring until the bell rings in November. Why would I think Trump knows about the thread, or cares about the title?

Er, then why would you suggest his opinion matters when discussing the thread title, which was the context at the time? I'm not trying to pick a fight, but who gives a shit what Trump's opinion is as it applies to the thread title?

geezus.

How about that Bernie guy? I hear he's outstayed his welcome. Me? I never really cared about Bernie or his message, although I did and do find Defiant's constant posting of negative Bernie articles somewhat over the top.

GreenGoo wrote:

em2nought wrote:Will any Bernie supporters be looking to flee the country? Might I suggest https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuelans- ... 20476.html as a fitting socialist utopia.

Lol. Well at least they aren't handing out tickets like in the capitalist utopia of the US of A.

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GreenGoo wrote:

Kurth wrote:Can we change the thread title to "Go [away], Bernie!" now?

You'd have to ask Kraken (without checking, I assume he started the thread). If he wants Bernie to continue I think you're out of luck unless you start your own thread. Not everyone necessarily shares your opinion on this.

tru1cy wrote:
Bernie only has one chance at this and he has a HUGE microphone to get his message out. I agree he should get out as the outcome is already set, but my guess is that he'll bow out after D.C.