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Bernie Sanders has been invited to continue his underdog bid for the White House by the Green party’s probable presidential candidate, who has offered to step aside to let him run.

Jill Stein, who is expected to be endorsed at the party’s August convention in Houston, told Guardian US that “overwhelming” numbers of Sanders supporters are flocking to the Greens rather than Hillary Clinton.

Defiant wrote:I'm sure they're saying "Boo-rnie! Boo-rnie!"

Isgrimnur wrote:Bernie Sanders (Green)?

Bernie Sanders has been invited to continue his underdog bid for the White House by the Green party’s probable presidential candidate, who has offered to step aside to let him run.

Jill Stein, who is expected to be endorsed at the party’s August convention in Houston, told Guardian US that “overwhelming” numbers of Sanders supporters are flocking to the Greens rather than Hillary Clinton.

Holman wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:Bernie Sanders (Green)?

Bernie Sanders has been invited to continue his underdog bid for the White House by the Green party’s probable presidential candidate, who has offered to step aside to let him run.

Jill Stein, who is expected to be endorsed at the party’s August convention in Houston, told Guardian US that “overwhelming” numbers of Sanders supporters are flocking to the Greens rather than Hillary Clinton.

Wow. So we could say Stein's career has finally reached its Nader?

Bernie Sanders' crusade to shape the Democratic party platform scored a win late Friday night, with the approval of an amendment calling for increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 over time. The fight to get more explicit platform language around wages showed the Vermont senator's campaign still fighting for the liberal issues that made up his "political revolution" even as his clout fades. In the weeks since Hillary Clinton clinched the Democratic nomination, her primary rival won a few policy concessions and influenced the party's platform. But he's also angered fellow lawmakers for not promptly endorsing his primary foe and has seen his influence wane as President Barack Obama and Sen. Elizabeth Warren stepped in to unify the party behind its presumptive nominee. Sanders is still seeking more platform concessions at the party meeting in Orlando that broke up just after 1:30 a.m. Saturday, with plans to return later in the day. But he appears to be winding down this period of denouement, with his endorsement of Clinton now expected to come at a joint event next week.

El Guapo wrote: Which makes sense - would be a little awkward otherwise.

Holman wrote:Sanders' prepared remarks endorsing Clinton.

PORTSMOUTH, NH—Putting aside the policy disagreements and occasional acrimony that marked the pair’s heated, months-long presidential primary election contest, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders offered a ringing endorsement of Hillary Clinton today by stating that she is a different person than Donald Trump. “Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are separate people,” said Sanders, throwing his support behind Clinton in a rousing 25-second speech in which he praised the former secretary of state as someone who has a different name than the Republican nominee and who is altogether a distinct being from him. “Donald Trump is one person and Hillary Clinton is another person. They are not the same person.” Sanders then reportedly concluded the resounding endorsement by stating that “Hillary Clinton is a choice for president,” before exhaling audibly and walking quietly off the stage.

El Guapo wrote:I will say to Bernie's credit that he was probably right not to endorse right away, but to wait until now. He probably wouldn't have received so many platform concessions if he had done so. Plus those platform concessions will probably help him make the case to his supporters as to why they should now support Clinton, that would otherwise probably be a tougher sell.

Kraken wrote:

El Guapo wrote:I will say to Bernie's credit that he was probably right not to endorse right away, but to wait until now. He probably wouldn't have received so many platform concessions if he had done so. Plus those platform concessions will probably help him make the case to his supporters as to why they should now support Clinton, that would otherwise probably be a tougher sell.

Yup, it seems to me like he played his hand very well. Now it's a matter of holding Clinton's feet to the fire after the convention, when she'll be inclined to pivot to the right. Dunno how much leverage Bernie will have at that point.

There's a little good news for Clinton in the poll of 18- to 30-year-olds — in a matchup against Donald Trump, she clearly bests the New York businessman, 38 to 17 percent. But that leaves 45 percent of those young adults who said they were either undecided, wouldn't vote or would vote for someone else (22 percent).

Another stat that bodes poorly for Clinton: Those who chose her aren't exactly crazy about her — many instead simply dislike Trump. Those who chose Clinton are about evenly split: 47 percent said they "mainly support" her, while 53 percent said they "mainly oppose" Trump.

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And today came the big moment: the Sanders endorsement.

His blessing may swing a few more Sanders stalwarts into the Clinton column and further shore up her support. Currently, in Trump-Clinton polling matchups, the two major-party candidates together regularly get the support of only around 80 percent of registered voters.

It's possible that the Sanders endorsement could help Clinton get part of that remaining 20 percent. Sanders inspires fierce loyalty among his supporters, and some may follow him into the Clinton camp. Still, many may simply refuse to let go of his candidacy, and others believe a Sanders endorsement would be a betrayal of progressive principles.

killbot737 wrote:
She may become the first female president, but she will also be an ineffective sidebar "meh" president. Status Quo.

Defiant wrote:I'm sure they're saying "Boo-rnie! Boo-rnie!"

Kraken wrote:

Hillary Clinton’s campaign announced a proposal on Wednesday to eliminate tuition at in-state public colleges and universities for families with annual incomes up to $125,000 — largely embracing a core position of Senator Bernie Sanders, who had pledged to make tuition at public institutions free for all students.

Carpet_pissr wrote:

Defiant wrote:I'm sure they're saying "Boo-rnie! Boo-rnie!"

That must not go un-clapped:

Defiant wrote:Getting back to Bernie, though - while i think he should have conceded and endorsed after California and DC, he still got some concessions out of it (although I think they were concessions that Clinton was comfortable with, as there were others where the delegates pushed back on).

Polls show that a good chunk of Sanders supporters have already (if reluctantly) moved on to Clinton - something like 75+%. That still leaves ~20% that are Bernie Busters (or whatever) for Sanders to try to convince. If he can't, then likely no one can, and for some of them he probably won't be able to (those that were more anti-Clinton than pro-Sanders, or people who were formerly Ron Paul supporters, etc).

Defiant wrote:Getting back to Bernie, though - while i think he should have conceded and endorsed after California and DC, he still got some concessions out of it (although I think they were concessions that Clinton was comfortable with, as there were others where the delegates pushed back on).

Polls show that a good chunk of Sanders supporters have already (if reluctantly) moved on to Clinton - something like 75+%. That still leaves ~20% that are Bernie Busters (or whatever) for Sanders to try to convince. If he can't, then likely no one can, and for some of them he probably won't be able to (those that were more anti-Clinton than pro-Sanders, or people who were formerly Ron Paul supporters, etc).

Defiant wrote:Bernie Sanders' new group is already in turmoil
Key staffers quit amid lingering tensions from the Vermont senator's campaign.

Moliere wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:11 pm Thank you Sir, may I have another?

stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:45 pm

Moliere wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:11 pm Thank you Sir, may I have another?

Another loss? Coming right up......

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:11 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:45 pm

Moliere wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:11 pm Thank you Sir, may I have another?

Another loss? Coming right up......

Ah well, at least Trump can’t win in 2024.

hepcat wrote:Well, to be fair, it wasn’t Hillary he had to beat. It was the entire DNC machine that was being run by those who wanted Hillary and weren’t entertaining any dissent on that matter.

Although I still think Bernie would’ve lost. His ideas are often absurdly naive.

Exodor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:11 pmGo Away Bernie

Jaymann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:21 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:11 pm Ah well, at least Trump can’t win in 2024.

No, but AOC can!