That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
I was thinking the Toughest Sheriff in 'Merica© might be worse. And at 86 he has even that much more experience than Biden and Bernie.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ro-1179636Florida Democrats are denouncing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders for refusing to call Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro a dictator — a politically explosive issue in the nation’s biggest swing state.
Sanders also would not say whether he considered Venezuela’s assembly leader, Juan Guaidó, as the nation’s interim president, which is the position of the United States and a majority of Latin American countries European countries.
BAM! Except in Ted Cruz's case they may want to spread the good news.
Why isn't that the predictable response? Yes, it's a Fox News town hall, but it's also a Bernie Sanders town hall. You figure odds are that the room's going to be evenly divided on that question at best.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.
The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.
The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 amThis is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.
The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
There's not a lot of data to support the idea that Biden has less enthusiastic supporters. Among other things, he polls about as well as Sanders in terms of the number of people who say that they "strongly" support him (vs. "somewhat support") and does better among voters who say that they are paying a lot of attention to the election (whereas Sanders actually loses support among more engaged voters).Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:50 amSandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 amThis is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.
The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
...
Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
If Sanders had approached this campaign by building bridges with the rest of the Democratic Party, I think he could easily have become the front-runner by now. Instead it's an "I'm right now everyone needs to get on board" approach.Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sanders may have some decent points but his delivery doesn’t reach far beyond the old hippies and the youngsters. They should be the faithful anyway. Sanders feeds the “Democrats are Socialist” narrative that Trump NEEDS to keep his “Good at Business” relevant.
Democrats should pick up themes of selling “old Republicans are corrupt and sold the people out to business.” There are better ways to deliver the message and solution.
what is the percentage of 'young anti-Semites' do you suppose identifies the Democratic party? and what percentage of the same do you believe comprises the Republican party? just throw out the numbers you feel are accurate in your head.
More like the “actual” party strategy.
And then in 2008 Obama was elected and the Republican Party/Tea Party went racist again.In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
6% anti-Semite democrats vs 3% racist white RINOs(to include anti-Semite) in my head.hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:11 pmwhat is the percentage of 'young anti-Semites' do you suppose identifies the Democratic party? and what percentage of the same do you believe comprises the Republican party? just throw out the numbers you feel are accurate in your head.
Heh, when I read that I assumed we were going to start a list beginning with none other than Steve King who has been in office for what 15 years? Then I remembered the marching orders.Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:44 pmMore like the “actual” party strategy.
And then in 2008 Obama was elected and the Republican Party/Tea Party went racist again.In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
Leading Sanders and the Democratic field?
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."
The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.
"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.
Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
I love Bernie's take on voting for Biden if he's the nominee:Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."
The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.
"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.
Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
Gawd... If you're going to double-post, I'm going to double-reply.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pmI love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."
The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.
"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.
Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"
Me too Bernie... Me too.
What The Fuck?
I assume you're quoting viral Bernie Bro idiocy rather than something Sanders actually said.
You and (your version of) Sanders believe that someone has to be high to vote for a moderate Dem WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??
"Scumbag"? Really? What's the definition of a scumbag when DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??
Are you stupid? Don't be stupid. You don't have to be stupid.
Jesus. Wake up. Grow up. This shit was the problem in 2016 and it's the problem in 2020.
You are quoting Vennett Weiss. Some guy from Newburgh New York.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:
"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"
Me too Bernie... Me too.
Holman? I didn't say I wasen't going to vote for Biden if he is the nominee. Take a breath. Breathe. You're angry, and no I think I'm quoting actual Bernie. Regardless of whether he actually said it is actually inmeterial. The problem is that a lot of people of a certain age group are getting terribly fed up with a system that has *crushed* them. When they vote, the system crushes them, when they *don't* vote, the system crushes them. Putting aside the fact that a lot of people are so time stressed that they can't engage civically, let alone vote.Holman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:57 pmGawd... If you're going to double-post, I'm going to double-reply.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pmI love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."
The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.
"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.
Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"
Me too Bernie... Me too.
You're high, right?
What The Fuck?
I assume you're quoting viral Bernie Bro idiocy rather than something Sanders actually said.
You and (your version of) Sanders believe that someone has to be high to vote for a moderate Dem WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??
"Scumbag"? Really? What's the definition of a scumbag when DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??
Are you stupid? Don't be stupid. You don't have to be stupid.
Jesus. Wake up. Grow up. This shit was the problem in 2016 and it's the problem in 2020.
Yep. I voted for Trump, because Hillary offered me nothing. Enough Bernie supporters probabally tipped Trump over the top too. Annnnd YET the argued frontrunner to be the Dem nominee is basically Hillary 2.0. A washington insider who praises Republicans.
Yep. You're right. The image of Bernie having to get piss drunk and doped up, defibulator in tow to be able to vote for Biden just cracked me up.Unagi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:52 pmYou are quoting Vennett Weiss. Some guy from Newburgh New York.Drazzil wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:
"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"
Me too Bernie... Me too.
You need to learn how to understand articles better, I think.
