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Re: The Confederate Flag Thread

Post by Jaymann » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:39 am

Clearly those are named for Thomas Jefferson and Tom Davis.
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Post by Holman » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:41 am

George Jefferson and Sammy Davis Jr.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:21 pm

Has it been a year already?
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam and the city of Charlottesville have declared states of emergency ahead of the anniversary of the deadly white nationalist rally in the city that left one woman dead and several others injured.

The Virginia state of emergency ordered by Northam, will allow state agencies to quickly mobilize resources to aid local authorities, the governor’s office said. The order, which also allows Virginia National Guard to assist in security efforts, was announced Wednesday afternoon as Charlottesville officials held a news conference on the city’s efforts to prepare for the anniversary of the Aug. 12 rally.

The state of emergency comes as a number of groups and counter-protesters have rallies planned this weekend to mark the anniversary in Virginia and downtown D.C.
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The organizer of the last year’s event, Jason Kessler, dropped a court challenge last month seeking a permit to hold a “Unite the Right 2” rally in Charlottesville on Aug. 12. Instead, he said his group is planning a 400-person rally at a park across the street from the White House. But opponents of the white-nationalist anniversary march — and city officials — are wary that hostile groups may still arrive in town.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:58 am

It's happening in DC and it will be a dud, fortunately. Even tbe hate groups alt-right realize(s) what a disaster it was last year.

Kessler gets to be closer to his patron saint in the White House.
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Post by Smoove_B » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:44 pm

It has indeed been a year, and fortunately Frontline and Pro Publica have been working on a series about Documenting Hate. It would appear they identified people that were up to no good while there and confronted them to find out what they were doing. I'm a bit surprised at the two featured in the provided link, though it's impressive to hear their flat-out denial that they were there, despite having video and photographic proof.

There's a separate news feature on the work they did to identify participants. I think it's called...investigative journalism? Not sure.
We weren’t interested so much in people that just showed up and exercised their First Amendment right and left. We were interested in people who appeared to be engaged in criminal activity. I think what we wanted to do was understand who these people were, what they were doing, and what their connections were to more mainstream institutions.

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Post by Skinypupy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:52 pm

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Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:44 pm
It has indeed been a year, and fortunately Frontline and Pro Publica have been working on a series about Documenting Hate. It would appear they identified people that were up to no good while there and confronted them to find out what they were doing. I'm a bit surprised at the two featured in the provided link, though it's impressive to hear their flat-out denial that they were there, despite having video and photographic proof.

There's a separate news feature on the work they did to identify participants. I think it's called...investigative journalism? Not sure.
We weren’t interested so much in people that just showed up and exercised their First Amendment right and left. We were interested in people who appeared to be engaged in criminal activity. I think what we wanted to do was understand who these people were, what they were doing, and what their connections were to more mainstream institutions.
I think I need to be in a different frame of mind to get through that. Watched the first 15 minutes and had to simply turn it off.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:18 am

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A crowd toppled a Confederate statue at the University of North Carolina on Monday night, with cheers and smoke bombs filling the air.

The monument had long been a target of students and others, a symbol of a once-honored past that many wanted to demolish. This spring, a graduate student splashed a mixture of ink and her own blood on the statue. On the night before classes began this year, a crowd gathered to demonstrate at the statue and, using ropes, pulled it down.
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In Chapel Hill, N.C., the bronze and marble “Silent Sam” monument was commissioned by the Daughters of the Confederacy and erected in 1913 to honor UNC alumni who died for the Confederacy.

It is known as “Silent Sam” because the soldier holds a gun but no ammunition. A panel on the side shows a woman, symbolizing the state, urging a student to drop his books to take up arms for the fight.
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Post by The Meal » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm

1913 - 1861 = 52
2018 - 52 = 1966

Isn't it about time for us to start putting up statues dedicated to The Monkees?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 pm

The Meal wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm
1913 - 1861 = 52
2018 - 52 = 1966

Isn't it about time for us to start putting up statues dedicated to The Monkees?
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:26 pm

The Meal wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm
1913 - 1861 = 52
2018 - 52 = 1966

Isn't it about time for us to start putting up statues dedicated to The Monkees?
You would mock the proud statue-erecting heritage of our forebears? Men fought and died so racist hereditary associations could dedicate statues to them half a century later.
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Re: The Confederate Flag Thread

Post by LordMortis » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:25 pm

I was all prepared to say:
I don't think I understand pulling that particular statue down. I don't think I understand why it's a symbol of hate or racism.

Then I read the dedication.


Now I still don't agree with the action, but at least now I understand and am sympathetic with it. Quite frankly, if I was to thinking about going to UNC and knew the administration tolerated that, I'd be thinking again.


http://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcripti ... peech.html
This beautiful memorial is unique in one aspect. I have participated at the unveiling of several Confederate monuments, and have intimate knowledge of a great many more, but this is the first and only one in which the living survivors have been distinctly mentioned and remembered, and in the distinguished presence I desire to thank that Daughters of the Confederacy, in the name of the living Confederate students, for their beautiful and timely thoughtfulness.
The duty due to our dear Southland, and the conspicuous service rendered, did not end at Appomatox[sic]. The four years immediately following the four years of bloody carnage, brought their responsibilities hardly of less consequence than those for which the South laid upon the altar of her country 74,524 of her brave and loyal sons dead from disease, a grand total of 133,821.
It is true that the snows of winter which never melt, crown our temples, and we realize that we are living in the twilight zone; that it requires no unusual strain to hear the sounds of the tides as they roll and break upon the other shore, “The watch-dog’s bark his deep bay mouth welcome as we draw near home”, breaks upon our ears—makes it doubly sweet to know that we have been remembered in the erection of this beautiful memorial. The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.
I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.
With pardonable pride I look upon the grand record of my Alma Mater, near whose confines I first beheld the light; in whose classic halls three of my sons have graduated and a fourth is now a student, and where my brother and three of his sons also matriculated. The glorious record of this seat of learning is embalmed in affections of our family.

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Post by Remus West » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:07 pm

I don't know that the administration tolerated it as much as they were not wanting to face the up roar of removing it. They had said several times they would happily have removed it had the issue passed a vote which they felt was required by law. And by "required by law" I think they meant "would cause a huge uproar if we removed it without being forced so let us pretend it doesn't exist in peace".

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Post by Z-Corn » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:01 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 pm
The Meal wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm
1913 - 1861 = 52
2018 - 52 = 1966

Isn't it about time for us to start putting up statues dedicated to The Monkees?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:08 pm

Z-Corn wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:01 pm
Wait, Davy died!?
Yes
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Post by Jaymann » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:07 pm

Z-Corn wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:01 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 pm
The Meal wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm
1913 - 1861 = 52
2018 - 52 = 1966

Isn't it about time for us to start putting up statues dedicated to The Monkees?
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Wait, Davy died!?
At first glance i thought that was one of those black jockey statues.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:39 pm

LA Times
Federal authorities have arrested key members of a Southern California white-power group, the latest move in an ongoing effort by authorities to break the back of an organization linked to racism-fueled violence.

Robert Rundo, leader of the so-called Rise Above Movement, was taken into custody Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said.

Two others — Tyler Laube and Robert Boman — were arrested Wednesday morning in connection with organizing and participating in riots, according to federal authorities. Another, Aaron Eason, was charged but remains at large, they said.

All four were charged with using the internet to organize or participate in riots, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

Private messages between group leaders, members and associates show an effort to keep their violent intentions secret, according to an FBI affidavit attached to the complaint. Daley urged members in one 2016 phone call to attend events wearing polo-style shirts and khakis, and to get military-style haircuts.
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The arrests come after several other members and associates of the group were publicly accused of traveling to Virginia with the intent to incite a riot and commit violence in Charlottesville last year.
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Re: The Confederate Flag Thread

Post by Unagi » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:24 pm

and I'm like, "what's that have to do with The Monkees?"

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