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Another day, another shocking political scandal...

Canada's Green Party edits photo of leader holding single-use cup
Canada's Green Party has admitted to doctoring a photo of its leader to show her holding a reusable plastic cup.

However, leader Elizabeth May said the manipulation was done without her knowledge and she was "completely shocked" to see it.

The edited photo showed Ms May holding a plastic reusable cup with the Green Party logo and a metal straw.

The party leader pointed out that she had nothing to hide as she was using a compostable disposable cup.

"My personal daily practice is to avoid single use plastic items 100% of the time," Ms May said in a statement.

"I walk the talk every day. I hope that despite this misstep by well-meaning party staff (who hoped to brand the image with our logo), people can believe that in the original photo there is nothing I would have hidden," she added.
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The sheer lawlessness of your country bordering my state makes sleep difficult at night.
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Now to see if Trudeau and Singh can find enough common cause to keep us from the polls for another four years. :coffee:

P.S. -- I'm pleasantly surprised that the turnout for my riding (Ottawa Centre) hit 85%.
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Oooh, it looks like Ivanka posted on Daddy's Twitter account...


There is a roughly zero percent chance that Trump wrote those sentences or holds those views. If it wasn't Ivanka, it was the late shift intern.
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I look forward to hearing about the congratulations call.
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I'm very happy with the result.
I was scared a bit that the cons would find a way to win but I'm pleasantly surprised.

Bloc won in my riding (I voted liberal) and I have to say, Blanchet really impressed me, I probably would have vote for him had be a been the leader of a Canada-wide party but he's not so, meh.

I'm glad we're still going forward with progress instead of regressing, we've seen so many right-leaning party be elected around the world lately it's scary.
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Big Igloo North: Support for anti-government, pro-gun Boogaloo movement growing in Canada
An anti-government, pro-gun movement linked to recent violence in the U.S. is gaining supporters in Canada — prompting warnings from experts over their often hateful, violent remarks against protesters, police and Ottawa's new firearms restrictions.

In the U.S, Boogaloos have recently been in the spotlight, after some showed up heavily armed at anti-lockdown and Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

There are no reports of Boogaloos at Canadian protests. But online, the nascent movement has inspired at least two Facebook pages where followers have recently talked about killing protesters and RCMP officers alike.

The Facebook pages identified by CBC News were created in the past six months and in that time grew to around 800 followers each.
No word as to whether this guy was getting his Boogaloo on or is just a random free-range lunatic.

CAF member arrested on Rideau Hall grounds faces 22 charges, including multiple firearm violations
The Canadian Armed Forces member who allegedly gained access to the grounds at Rideau Hall while carrying a firearm Thursday morning now faces a long list of charges.

The RCMP said Corey Hurren, 46, faces 22 criminal charges, including careless use of a firearm, possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, possession of a prohibited or restricted firearm and uttering threats.

Hurren, an active member of the military who serves as a Canadian Ranger, allegedly drove his truck through the pedestrian gate at 1 Sussex Drive at around 6:30 a.m. ET Thursday morning, which stopped working on impact, said RCMP Deputy Commissioner Mike Duheme during a news conference Friday morning.
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Now that America has entered the Biden era, we can make Canadian scandals great again.

Julie Payette: Canada governor general quits amid bullying claims
Canadian Governor General Julie Payette has resigned amid claims she created a toxic work environment for her staff.

The representative of the head of state, Queen Elizabeth II, quit amid reports a highly critical workplace inquiry would be made public.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed he had received her resignation.

He had recommended the appointment of the former astronaut in 2017, though her exit has no immediate implications for his Liberal government.

The government had launched a third-party investigation of harassment claims after CBC News reported last July that several staff members felt bullied by Ms Payette.
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Canada labels the Proud Boys, other neo-Nazi groups as terrorists
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair announced today that the federal government will designate 13 groups as terrorist entities, adding some white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups to a list already populated with militant Islamist organizations.

The federal government will now classify the Proud Boys (a neo-fascist organization with chapters in Canada and the U.S.), the Atomwaffen Division, AWD (a group that calls for acts of violence against racial, religious and ethnic groups), and the Base (another neo-Nazi organization that advocates for violence to incite a race war), as terrorist entities under the Criminal Code.

The government considers these three groups, along with another new addition, the Russian Imperial Movement (a Russian paramilitary group with ties to neo-Nazi groups worldwide), as "ideologically motivated violent extremists."
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Apparently we're going to the polls next month. Trudeau is expected to ask the Governor General to dissolve parliament tomorrow, with the election date to be 20 Sep 2021.

Canadians can expect a federal election on Sept. 20: sources
Voters can expect to head to the polls for a federal election on Sept. 20.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is planning to visit Rideau Hall on Sunday to ask that Parliament be dissolved, said sources with knowledge of his plans who spoke to CBC News on the condition they not be named.

The sources said the prime minister is then expected to announce a 36-day campaign — the minimum campaign length permitted by law — meaning voting day would be Monday, Sept. 20.

News of the pending election call has been reported already by Reuters and La Presse.

Dissolution of Parliament is not automatic and Gov. Gen. Mary Simon could say no — although that would be a rare move out of line with parliamentary tradition.

Earlier this summer, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh wrote to Simon asking her to deny any such request from the prime minister. Singh argued that Trudeau's government has not lost the confidence of the House and said the NDP would support the government in the Commons in order to avoid holding an election during the pandemic.
Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole also criticized the idea of calling a federal election during a fourth wave of the pandemic but said he's ready to take on the Liberals.

"Justin Trudeau's planning an election in the middle of a pandemic because he's focused on politics," he tweeted. "It's time we had a prime minister planning an economic recovery focused on Canadians. We're ready."
O'Toole's response is pretty predictable. I'm not inspired by the idea of a right-wing government prioritizing the economy over everything else while we're still in the middle of the pandemic. Economic recovery is important, but it doesn't trump everything else.

Singh's response does surprise me somewhat. The pandemic isn't going to be over any time soon, so not having an election during the pandemic is weak, and I'm not sure that pledging to support the government if they don't hold an election is a winning strategy. I'd guess that support would vanish any time he sees a favourable swing in the polls.
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I don't like this decision but I don't begrudge this decision. The desire to maintain power and to possibly become a majority is too tempting (edit = especially in light of a far right surge and mis/disinformation).

The focus of Canadians is, imo, the pandemic and little else. In this, the Liberals have procured vaccines (we now have an excess), have supported individuals and businesses and have urged caution to the populace. The "personal freedoms" mantra of some of the provinces have been disastrous. The fact that their main federal rival aligned with the "freedom" message (or enough of their visible members did, wrongly betting on Trumpism coming to Canada) is a clear wedge that the Liberals can use. Interesting to note that the provincial leaders have not been tied to federal party lines as they implement covid policies. Good to see the lack of blind convergence.

I think Singh sees the NDP and Green Party as outsiders-looking-in as the voting populace decides between the Conservatives or Liberals. If you're Conservative, you've voting Conservative regardless. If you've voted NDP or Green in the past, voters may be wary of splitting the vote and letting the Conservatives (who want to open the economy while lessening the priority to fight covid, question climate change and its mitigation efforts/needs, call into question "socialist policies") capture ridings.

Personally, this may be an election where I no longer vote for the best candidate in my riding (as long as that party/leader is not evil), and simply vote for the candidate whose party I want in power.
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Yeah, I kind of made that decision last election. I'm tired of propping up the lesser of two evils with my vote. I voted my party preference even though the candidate in my riding had no shot at winning. I would consider vote swapping if that's still a thing, but I don't think it's been as big since the Harper era, mainly because it's used to coalesce the left and center, and the center's already the favourite.

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So it's voaty day.

I head a blip about this on the news in the last few days and it was as silly as I imagined. I go up to my voting station and the election worker asks me if I want a pencil. I say yes... I don't carry a pen on my person except in jacket weather, and I'd forgotten all about this. She pulls out a bag of half-size pencils and tells me to take one (which I can't do without touching multiples), and explains that they're single-use due to the pandemic. I get behind the voting shield and there's like 35 of these abandoned off to the side. (I took mine with me.)

I'll have to re-google this, but aren't there few-to-zero covid cases confirmed to have been spread by surface transmission? Why didn't they just have us sanitize our hands before and after? Or wait, they did! Lol. Or at least the sanitizer was there... no one told you to use it. (Despite the signage.)

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Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:31 pm So it's voaty day.

I head a blip about this on the news in the last few days and it was as silly as I imagined. I go up to my voting station and the election worker asks me if I want a pencil. I say yes... I don't carry a pen on my person except in jacket weather, and I'd forgotten all about this. She pulls out a bag of half-size pencils and tells me to take one (which I can't do without touching multiples), and explains that they're single-use due to the pandemic. I get behind the voting shield and there's like 35 of these abandoned off to the side. (I took mine with me.)

I'll have to re-google this, but aren't there few-to-zero covid cases confirmed to have been spread by surface transmission? Why didn't they just have us sanitize our hands before and after? Or wait, they did! Lol. Or at least the sanitizer was there... no one told you to use it. (Despite the signage.)
I don't get this either - I thought that the science was pretty clear that it wasn't spread by touching things. Maybe Smoove can tell us if we have it all wrong. It seems like there is a lot of security theater out there around sanitizing and single use objects and not enough attention paid to airflow and masks and all the things people won't do.
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Well... that election looks to have changed mostly nothing seats-wise. https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/electio ... 1/results/

I wonder if some Conservative voters are going to complain they're being disenfranchised again because they won the popular vote. Against the Liberals, yeah. But it's not like all (or any) of those 17% NDP votes would break your way if it were actually a two-horse race. On that note, the NDP only projects to 8% of total seats. The PPC pulled a terrifying 5% of the vote though. (No seats.)

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If the Conservatives don't like the disproportional representation resulting from First Past The Post, maybe they should get behind electoral reform. Of course they are all for it when the numbers break their way and they win a greater share of seats than their share of the popular vote. :coffee:

The thing that disappoints me the most about the Trudeau II Liberals is that they didn't follow through on electoral reform. It's a tough undertaking, possibly insurmountable, but I feel that they gave up without putting any real effort into it.
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Who needs elections when you can just have an insurrection instead. It probably helps if some of the treason-monkey ringleaders are familiar with the government playbook, too.

How organizers with police and military expertise may be helping Ottawa convoy protest dig in
For nearly two weeks anti-vaccine mandate demonstrators and their big rigs have entrenched themselves in Ottawa's parliamentary district and its neighbourhoods.

Despite a strategic strike by police to cut off supplies to truckers encamped in the city's downtown core, protesters appear to still have the upper hand on police.

It's a success that experts partly attribute to the deep knowledge of law enforcement and military tactics that exist in the convoy's organizational structure.

The group Police on Guard, formed during the pandemic, has endorsed the truck convoy. On its website, it publicly identifies more than 150 mostly retired police officers who are against government-imposed public health measures, such as vaccine mandates. More than 50 former Canadian Forces soldiers are also named on its site.

The organization says it has "boots on the ground" in Ottawa and has linked to YouTube videos of its members participating in the protest.

Furthermore, the leadership team for the protesters calling themselves the Freedom Convoy includes:
  • Daniel Bulford, a former RCMP officer who was on the prime minister's security detail. He quit last year after refusing to get the vaccine and is the convoy's head of security.
  • Tom Quiggin, a former military intelligence officer who also worked with the RCMP and was considered one of the country's top counter-terrorism experts.
  • Tom Marazzo, an ex-military officer who, according to his LinkedIn profile, served in the Canadian Forces for 25 years and now works as a freelance software developer.
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When the Rage Came for Me
Recently I published a book of speculative nonfiction about the possibility of a civil war in the United States. In the opening chapter, I imagine a scenario in which a carnivalesque group of far-right activists takes over a bridge and refuses to leave, provoking a response from federal authorities. My fantasy became reality recently, except not in a rural American county, as I had envisioned it, but in Windsor, Ontario. For five years, I have been studying American political rage, its sources, its abyssal depths, its vertiginous fracturing power. I thought I was studying an external phenomenon at a distance, and I was. Now the rage has come for me. The anti-vax trucker convoy has made it up close and personal.

Three weeks ago, truckers formed a convoy to protest the cross-border COVID-vaccine mandate. Last weekend, they rolled into my Toronto neighborhood, near Bloor Street and Avenue Road. I went down to bear witness to the spectacle. The scene was not surprising to me: The same sort of people I’d seen at Donald Trump rallies and prepper conventions were there, with their hollowed-out faces intimate with pain, and their perpetually misspelled signs, and their sense of belonging to a community of the excluded. I confess that they disgusted me. I found myself stopping several people on the street and telling them to go home, that they weren’t wanted here.

The truckers want “freedom” from mandates and have called for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to resign. They won’t achieve either of these goals, so what they’re doing now amounts to disruption for disruption’s sake. Trucks have been driving around the entrances to the Ottawa airport in a kind of slow-motion blockade. This is a deliberate tactic to force the federal government to take action. The protesters want confrontation with Trudeau, not Doug Ford, the Conservative premier of Ontario, because only such a confrontation could save their movement. Their forces are diminishing: About 1,000 people are left in the Ottawa convoy, although that number may rise over the weekend. Their main avenue of fundraising has been suspended; a week after GoFundMe stopped all trucker fundraising activities, the Conservative government of Ontario froze all GiveSendGo donations. The federal government has, so far, resisted the impulse to call in the military, and it is quite right to do so. Every day the truckers remain in Ottawa, they appall a larger and larger segment of the Canadian population. “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake,” as Napoleon said. Time is firmly on the authorities’ side, if not that of the people suffering in Ottawa.

Ultimately, I know that this trucker convoy will come to nothing. Its power has been exaggerated by U.S. media, principally Fox News. Nearly 60 percent of Canadians find the protesters “offensive and inappropriate.” More to the point, 88 percent of people in Canada over the age of 4 have been vaccinated, including 85 percent of those in the trucking profession. The main trucking advocacy groups are on board with the vaccine mandate, as are the Teamsters. At their peak, the trucker protests had just 8,000 people. The Conservative Party of Canada has told the truckers to go home; they have virtually no mainstream political support, except from a few remote members of Parliament from Saskatchewan. Nobody sensible can feel threatened by anything that comes out of Saskatchewan.
One thing I find interesting is that these pissant "convoy" insurgencies have cropped up in Western democracies just as Russia seems to be on the cusp of moving on Ukraine. Russia has never been known to use online disinformation campaigns to whip up trouble with weak-minded right-wing nutjobs, so that must just be a weird coincidence.
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I have been wondering the exact same thing about Putin.
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The thought has occurred to me as well. I've let it go quickly until there is reason to believe it.
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Facebook did remove groups for the Freedom Convoy that they claim were stood up by "scammers". FWIW hiding nation state activity in scam activities is a known cyber security attack technique. They use it to fund activity and spread misinformation. There is no reason to think it wouldn't be used for subversive targeting as well.
Facebook parent Meta Platforms (FB.O) said on Monday it had removed dozens of groups, pages and accounts that latched onto the truck convoy protest in Canada but were run by spammers and scammers, including in Vietnam.

A "Freedom Convoy" has disrupted life in downtown Ottawa for 11 days, starting as a movement against a Canadian vaccine mandate for cross-border drivers but turning into a rallying point against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and many of the Canadian governments' public health measures.

"We continue to see scammers latch onto any hot-button issue that draws people's attention, including the ongoing protests," said Meta spokeswoman Margarita Franklin.

"Over the past week, we've removed Groups and Pages run by spammers...who used abusive tactics to mislead people about the origin and popularity of their content to drive them to off-platform websites," she said. Meta said users were sent to websites filled with pay-per-click ads.
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I'd wondered when the Convoy would be mentioned.

Here's a fairly good article about the use of the flag at the protests and the use of the flag throughout history. Boils down to the fact that until recently, we weren't much for flag-waving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ne-it-for/
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It looks like there might be a confrontation brewing between the treason-monkey convoy and counter-protesters here in Ottawa.

At Bank and Riveraide, counter protestors have held up a number of cars attempting to join up with the convoy folks.

Here video at the numbers of cars held up, sent to me by a counter protestor
Here’s a look at the crowd that has gathered at Bank and Riverside.

Considerably more counter protestors compared to trucks trying to get through
Police have been trying to negotiate with the counter protestors to get them to move, with no success.

When the crowd said they’re not leaving, One cop just came up to them asked “so how does this end then?”

That did not go over well with the crowd
Pat King has now told convoy folks to go down to Bank and Riverside to help the protestors stuck there get out
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Rumpy wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:44 pm I'd wondered when the Convoy would be mentioned.

Here's a fairly good article about the use of the flag at the protests and the use of the flag throughout history. Boils down to the fact that until recently, we weren't much for flag-waving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ne-it-for/
It's all astroturfed by foreign interests. You can thank Americans for the flag & pickup truck stuff.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:18 pm
Rumpy wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:44 pm I'd wondered when the Convoy would be mentioned.

Here's a fairly good article about the use of the flag at the protests and the use of the flag throughout history. Boils down to the fact that until recently, we weren't much for flag-waving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ne-it-for/
It's all astroturfed by foreign interests. You can thank Americans for the flag & pickup truck stuff.
Yep, it all sounds foreign to us.

Max, It was only a matter of time there'd be a confrontation. The convoy doesn't like anything negative said about them. There was a news bit I'd seen on Youtube about a resident living near the action who simply raised his camera and got yelled at.
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Nothing says "Freedom!" like reflexively suppressing dissenting views.
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Yahoo
Police moved in to clear and arrest the remaining protesters near the busiest U.S.-Canadian border crossing Sunday, ending a demonstration against COVID-19 restrictions that has hurt the economy of both nations even as they held back from a crackdown on a larger protest in the capital, Ottawa.
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Windsor police said about 25 to 30 people were peacefully arrested and seven vehicles were towed just after dawn near the Ambassador Bridge that links their city — and numerous Canadian automotive plants — with Detroit.
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Mad Max, anyone? That's what comes to mind when I hear about the armed truckers like in that headline.
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If they can arrest you for using the wrong pronouns, packing heat at the border seems like a no brainer.
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Someone has been arrested over pronoun usage?

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Max Peck wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm Someone has been arrested over pronoun usage?
Unfortunately yes.

I totally support people wanting to be referred to by their preferred pronoun, and it should be honored. But jail time for not doing so is beyond absurd. I oppose curtailing of speech whether it comes from the Right or the Left.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:37 pm
Max Peck wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm Someone has been arrested over pronoun usage?
Unfortunately yes.

I totally support people wanting to be referred to by their preferred pronoun, and it should be honored. But jail time for not doing so is beyond absurd. I oppose curtailing of speech whether it comes from the Right or the Left.
*Suspecting that there might be more to the story, he digs deeper*

There was more to the story. He was ordered by the court to stop engaging in several behaviors that were causing his child distress, including bullying the kid with the pronouns and discussing the child's case with the media. He was arrested for violating multiple provisions in that order, including continuing to speak publicly with the media about it.
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Blackhawk wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:15 am
Jaymann wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:37 pm
Max Peck wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm Someone has been arrested over pronoun usage?
Unfortunately yes.

I totally support people wanting to be referred to by their preferred pronoun, and it should be honored. But jail time for not doing so is beyond absurd. I oppose curtailing of speech whether it comes from the Right or the Left.
*Suspecting that there might be more to the story, he digs deeper*

There was more to the story. He was ordered by the court to stop engaging in several behaviors that were causing his child distress, including bullying the kid with the pronouns and discussing the child's case with the media. He was arrested for violating multiple provisions in that order, including continuing to speak publicly with the media about it.
Agree that that guy is a dick. But the law is on the books.
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But that law didn't get him jailed simply for using the "wrong" pronouns, did it?

No, Canadians cannot be jailed or fined just for using the wrong gender pronoun
After Bill C-16 amended the Criminal Code, Canadian law prohibited hate propaganda against groups that can be identified based on gender identity or gender expression. The bill also allowed for more severe sentencing if it is proved that a particular offense was motivated by a bias or prejudice against a person's gender identity or gender expression.

However, experts say misusing a pronoun would not constitute hate propaganda, nor can it be used as sole evidence of discrimination.

"If it's just the pronoun, not much is going to happen," explained Cheryl Milne, director of the Asper Centre for Constitutional Rights at the University of Toronto told AFP.
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I just wondered when you asked the question and that was the first story that popped up. Kudos to the authorities for not rigidly enforcing it.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:57 pm Someone has been arrested over pronoun usage?
As a professional copy editor, I'm learning not to touch misused pronouns. I can't distinguish grammatical mistakes from deliberate preferences.
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Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:47 am I just wondered when you asked the question and that was the first story that popped up. Kudos to the authorities for not rigidly enforcing it.
There is no law pertaining to gender pronouns to be enforced, rigidly or not. Bill C-16 added "gender identity or expression" to the list of prohibited grounds for discrimination in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and likewise adds it to the list of identifiable groups in Sections 318 and 319 of the criminal code, which prohibit speech advocating genocide or inciting hatred.
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Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:47 am Kudos to the authorities for not rigidly enforcing it.
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