Given the election results I have to disagree with this.hepcat wrote:Gullible people are fun.
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- Remus West
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
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Trigger for WWIIIIsgrimnur wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:30 am Welcome, Montenegro!
NATO member states formally invited Montenegro to join the alliance, drawing a prompt response from Russia that it plans to suspend cooperation with the tiny Adriatic nation. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry insisted that NATO is "not a threat to anybody."
President Trump, who rattled U.S. allies at a NATO meeting last week, voiced concern in a television interview broadcast Tuesday night that sending troops from the alliance to defend an “aggressive” Montenegro could result in World War III.
Trump was asked about Montenegro, which joined NATO last year and has a population smaller than the District of Columbia, during a Fox News interview with host Tucker Carlson.
Carlson pressed Trump on the purpose of the alliance, which was created in 1949 to protect the United States, Canada and a host of Western European nations from Soviet incursion. The organization calls for member nations to come to the aid of any ally that is attacked.
“Why should my son go to Montenegro to defend it from attack?” Carlson asked in the interview, which was recorded Monday after Trump’s summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki.
“I understand what you’re saying, I’ve asked the same question,” Trump responded. “You know, Montenegro is a tiny country with very strong people. … They are very aggressive people, they may get aggressive, and congratulations, you’re in World War III. But that’s the way it was set up. Don’t forget, I just got here a little more than a year and a half ago.”
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Trump and Montenegro have a bit of a history: The U.S. president appeared to shove Montenegrin Prime Minister Dusko Markovic aside at a NATO summit last year, the first at which Montenegro was represented.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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I guess trump lacks the ability to see it in the reverse...if someone attacks the US we are not alone either.......but may be these days.
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1,200 soldiers from our NATO allies have died in Afghanistan, fighting in the NATO mission to respond to the 9/11 attack on the United States.
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
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Almost half as many as us.
http://icasualties.org/oef/
The fight is far from being just about 9/11 however. Many places have been victims of those terrorists.
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There's no level so deep that he won't dig even further down.
Those allied soldiers died because we were attacked by Al Qaeda and our allies invoked Article V of the NATO treaty specifically because of it. These Germans, Britons, French, Italians, etc, died fighting for the United States.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
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Of course not. I highly value the lives of all lost fighting for freedom and democracy.
Just dispelling the notion that they are somehow dying just for us as though there is no reason outside that for them to be there.
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Bullshit. They went to war and died for the US.Rip wrote: The fight is far from being just about 9/11 however. Many places have been victims of those terrorists.
They wouldn't have waded into Afghanistan without our headlong rush in.
Subsequently, whether it was because they went to war for us or not, they experienced domestic attacks. They were already dying in Afghanistan.
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I'd love to see some polling on NATO. I fear Trump is succeeding in making it just another partisan issue.
- Fireball
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I saw polling that showed that support for NATO has been steady, and basically even, amongst Rs and Ds for decades... and now Rs are turning against it.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:30 pm I'd love to see some polling on NATO. I fear Trump is succeeding in making it just another partisan issue.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
- Captain Caveman
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Yeah, just went looking for it. Partisan shifts in both directions that I bet is even larger now:
And here's a recent 538 piece on the issue
And here's a recent 538 piece on the issue
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Racist, nativist Americans hated Europe even before the Cold War. This is the return of that.
Only the Russophilia is new, but it's almost inevitable in terms of Christian/White Supremacy.
Only the Russophilia is new, but it's almost inevitable in terms of Christian/White Supremacy.
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As I keep hearing Reagan's name evoked with regard to today's republican party....
No wait. Here's one that really stingsWe're approaching the end of a bloody century plagued by a terrible political invention, totalitarianism. Optimism comes less easily today, not because democracy is less vigorous, but because democracy's enemies have refined their instruments of repression.
I have seen the rise and fall of Nazi tyranny, the subsequent cold war and the nuclear nightmare that for fifty years haunted the dreams of children everywhere. During that time my generation defeated totalitarianism. As a result, your world is poised for better tomorrows. What will you do on your journey?