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Holman wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 5:05 pm

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"Your Second Amendment rights are under siege, but they will never, ever be under siege as long as I'm your president," President Trump said during NRA speech.

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:04 am

Holman wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 5:05 pm

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"Your Second Amendment rights are under siege, but they will never, ever be under siege as long as I'm your president," President Trump said during NRA speech.

Trump isn't the President of USA?

em2nought wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:11 pm Maybe he's talking about his second term.

Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.

"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.

Skinypupy wrote:From the "You Couldn't Make This Shit Up If You Tried" department, Oliver North (yes, that Oliver North) to become the next President of the NRA.

Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.

"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 2:02 pm From the "You Couldn't Make This Shit Up If You Tried" department, Oliver North (yes, that Oliver North) to become the next President of the NRA.

Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.

"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.

More than three-quarters of the guns used in shootings and other crimes in the first three months of 2018 in New Jersey originated from sales outside the state, according to the first statewide report on firearms and gun-related crimes issued Tuesday.

For the second day in a row, Gov. Phil Murphy has publicized his efforts at gun control. It was just 32 days ago that he signed an executive order mandating the release online of statistics about guns used in crimes in regular report.

According to the first monthly report, 93 people were shot, 17 of them killed, in April alone. New Jersey has among the toughest gun-control laws in the nation.

Kaitlin Bennett didn't like the rules that kept her from carrying a gun on campus.

So the day after she received her bachelor's degree in biology from Kent State University on Saturday - no longer bound by those rules - she put on a summery white dress, flung an AR-10 rifle over her back and posed for photos around campus.

She accessorized with her mortar board, decorated with a picture of a rifle and the words, "Come and Take It."
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"Now that I graduated from Kent State - I can finally arm myself on campus," she tweeted. "I should have been able to do so as a student especially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus."
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Kent State prohibits the possession, storage or use of a "deadly weapon" - which includes firearms - by students, faculty and staff, according to its policy on the Kent State website. But visitors may openly carry a gun on campus since it's considered public state property.
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“Kent State University is a school in which the government shot four unarmed students 48 years ago,” she told the conservative news outlet that covers higher education.

“I believe not only that those four students would still be alive today had they had the right to carry on campus, but that students today would be much safer."
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Universities that prohibit students from defending themselves but allow guests to do so "are in a sense saying that they don’t value the safety of their students,” she told Campus Reform. “Why are guests more important than the students who are paying thousands of dollars to attend the university?”

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:02 pm Kent State

“I believe not only that those four students would still be alive today had they had the right to carry on campus, but that students today would be much safer."

Brian wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm How much worse would the body count have been if students had started firing back? I'm thinking the scale of tragedy would have numbered into the dozens instead of (the admittedly unacceptable and egregious) four students.

Brian wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm How much worse would the body count have been if students had started firing back? I'm thinking the scale of tragedy would have numbered into the dozens instead of (the admittedly unacceptable and egregious) four students.

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:23 pm

Brian wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm How much worse would the body count have been if students had started firing back? I'm thinking the scale of tragedy would have numbered into the dozens instead of (the admittedly unacceptable and egregious) four students.

I think it would have been higher.

3,000 protestors and 100 National Guardsmen were there. Approximately 70 shots were fired.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:51 pm That argument is ludicrous.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:23 pm

Brian wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm How much worse would the body count have been if students had started firing back? I'm thinking the scale of tragedy would have numbered into the dozens instead of (the admittedly unacceptable and egregious) four students.

I think it would have been higher.

3,000 protestors and 100 National Guardsmen were there. Approximately 70 shots were fired.

The argument, and I'm not saying I agree with it, is that the National Guard never would have been deployed of students were armed. Its spurious at best but the point she is probably trying to make is that an armed citizenry pre-emptively discourages tyranny.

em2nought wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:05 pm Nice to get $100,000 a year retirement after botching your last job with spectacular cowardice, but let's blame the NRA instead. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa ... 9345d61b3f

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:51 pm That argument is ludicrous.

It's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:51 pm That argument is ludicrous.

It's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.

Presumably they took the guns DURING their rounding up of dissidents, not during peace time in anticipation of the horrors to come. But I don't actually know, so I'll have to do some reading.

Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 9:28 am

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:51 pm That argument is ludicrous.

It's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.

Presumably they took the guns DURING their rounding up of dissidents, not during peace time in anticipation of the horrors to come. But I don't actually know, so I'll have to do some reading.

At least some of the time, the authoritarian-boogeymen-of-choice simply followed the NRA bumper sticker instructions and took the guns from their cold dead hands. For example, armed resistance didn't save the Warsaw Ghetto.