Octopus Overlords

Punisher wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:15 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:39 pm

Punisher wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:45 pm I think the hoopla is because they are concerned that it will make it easier for criminals to get access to illegal guns..

All it takes is a few hundred dollars to get an illegal gun. Cheaper than a 3d printer.

The 3D printed one will also be untraceable and, if printed n all plastic, harder to detect with metal detectors.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:43 pm Don't be obtuse.

The point being that you don't shoot people with your printer, you shoot them with the hundreds of guns you print from it at a fraction of the cost. If not now, then soon.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:26 am Yeah, that's what I said.

Rip wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:03 am

em2nought wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:02 am

Rip wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:03 am

I don't like CETMEs, they feel so freakin' huge.

The only "real" bad thing about printing guns is that you might end up buying something crappy on the used market. Folks here should like that, second hand sales of firearms becoming dangerous. I'd think it would drive more buyers to legitimate sources actually.

wonderpug wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:10 am If the primary concern is "people will be able to make their own untraceable firearms", we've already had that problem for years.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:40 pm Incidentally, plastic guns are not "being sold to the public."

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:16 am

Riiiight, to legit guns like KelTec and Hi Point?

Anyway, there is no used market for printed firearms; you can't legally sell home made guns. If they are unserialed, you can own them but they can never be sold legally.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:40 pm Incidentally, plastic guns are not "being sold to the public." Plans for 3D printed guns/gun parts are being made available for purchase.

hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:49 pm It takes a rare form of stupid to trust a firearm you've downloaded off the internet and printed at home.

em2nought wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:09 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:49 pm It takes a rare form of stupid to trust a firearm you've downloaded off the internet and printed at home.

We've sent people off to war with a rifle designed by a convicted murderer so...

Punisher wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:22 amI firmly believe that once the technology actually gets there, it will be cheaper and easier to 3D print a lot of things.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:38 am Scanner software and drivers have blocks that refuse to scan US currency, presumably to combat counterfeiting.

Off the shelf 3D printers may include something similar for firearms and maybe evern patent protection.

Obviously there will be workarounds, just like with scanners and money, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:38 am Scanner software and drivers have blocks that refuse to scan US currency, presumably to combat counterfeiting.

Off the shelf 3D printers may include something similar for firearms and maybe evern patent protection.

Obviously there will be workarounds, just like with scanners and money, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.

Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:05 am

Punisher wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:22 amI firmly believe that once the technology actually gets there, it will be cheaper and easier to 3D print a lot of things.

FTFY.

And, as an added bonus, with the plans in the wild, they'll never really die and new versions will come around regularly.

The National Rifle Association warns that it is in grave financial jeopardy, according to a recent court filing obtained by Rolling Stone, and that it could soon “be unable to exist… or pursue its advocacy mission.” (Read the NRA’s legal complaint at the bottom of this story.)

The reason, according to the NRA filing, is not its deep entanglement with alleged Russian agents like Maria Butina. Instead, the gun group has been suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state’s financial regulators since May, claiming the NRA has been subject to a state-led “blacklisting campaign” that has inflicted “tens of millions of dollars in damages.”

In the new document — an amended complaint filed in U.S. District Court in late July — the NRA says it cannot access financial services essential to its operations and is facing “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm.”

Specifically, the NRA warns that it has lost insurance coverage — endangering day-to-day operations. “Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” the complaint reads. Without general liability coverage, it adds, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies.”

The complaint says the NRA’s video streaming service and magazines may soon shut down.
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In addition to its insurance troubles, the NRA court filing also claims that “abuses” by Cuomo and the New York State Department of Financial Services “will imminently deprive the NRA of basic bank-depository services … and other financial services essential to the NRA’s corporate existence.”
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The lawsuit stems from actions taken by New York financial regulators to halt the sale of an illegal, NRA-branded insurance policy. The NRA actively marketed “Carry Guard,” a policy to reimburse members for legal costs incurred after firing a legal gun. In May, the state of New York found that Carry Guard “unlawfully provided liability insurance to gun owners for certain acts of intentional wrongdoing.” The NRA’s insurance partners agreed to stop selling the policies and pay a $7 million fine.
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According to the NRA, the “conspiracy” has been effective. This winter, its longtime insurer broke off negotiations and “stated that it was unwilling to renew coverage at any price.” [Emphasis in original.] The NRA claims it “has encountered serious difficulties obtaining corporate insurance coverage to replace coverage withdrawn.” In addition, the NRA contends that “multiple banks” have now balked at doing business with it “based on concerns that any involvement with the NRA — even providing the organization with basic depository services —would expose them to regulatory reprisals.”

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:01 pm Carry Guard was stuoid. There were plenty of options out there, it was just the NRA going for a money grab.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:48 pm Like I said, there are work-arounds. But off the shelf, scanners and photo copiers (and Photoshop) all block it.

These kinds of blocks aren't always well thought out (remember all the stupid copy protection stuff?). Doesn't mean they won't try.

Punisher wrote: ↑Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:12 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:48 pm Like I said, there are work-arounds. But off the shelf, scanners and photo copiers (and Photoshop) all block it.

These kinds of blocks aren't always well thought out (remember all the stupid copy protection stuff?). Doesn't mean they won't try.

I have never heard of this and will have to test it this weekend

wonderpug wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:10 am Just throwing this out there. In an AR-15 style gun, the receiver part circled in red is the only part that is considered a firearm when you are purchasing parts:


You can be a drug addict convicted felon fugitive from justice renounced citizen and buy all the other parts legally. When you want that final receiver piece, if you're not in the mood to trust a 3d-printed version you can instead buy an "80% lower". It's a receiver that's 80% of the way to being manufactured, just short of being considered a firearm. There are kits available (legally) to make it as easy as possible for you to do the last 20% of manufacturing.

This route isn't anywhere near as inexpensive per-gun as the fully 3d printed guns people are worried about, but this route gives you a fully functional real AR-15. If the primary concern is "people will be able to make their own untraceable firearms", we've already had that problem for years.

The Education Department is considering whether to allow states to use federal funding to purchase guns for educators, according to multiple people with knowledge of the plan.

Such a move appears to be unprecedented, reversing a longstanding position taken by the federal government that it should not pay to outfit schools with weapons. And it would also undermine efforts by Congress to restrict the use of federal funding on guns. As recently as March, Congress passed a school safety bill that allocated $50 million a year to local school districts, but expressly prohibited the use of the money for firearms.

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:41 pm Isn't NPR one of those "fake news" outlets to you Trumpers? Make up your mind, for cryin' out loud!

gameoverman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:44 pm Education money for guns...I'm embarrassed for anyone who'd even consider this on a 'what if' basis.

For one thing, guns are worthless without a person to fire the weapon. So school district Small Town USA spends $10k on guns, guns which just sit there in storage. Or are they going to pair this with a law compelling school staff to Pick Up That Weapon, Maggot! Does the school district spend more educational funding paying for firearms training? Or is there going to be a law compelling school staff to pay for their own damn training? When an employee accidentally shoots someone, who pays for that?