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El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:03 pm So why would turkeys be in the position of preventing Christmas?

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:03 pm So why would turkeys be in the position of preventing Christmas?

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:39 pm Do people eat a lot of turkey at Christmas? I thought ham was the big Christmas dish.

Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:55 pm I eat French food to celebrate La Retraite.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:03 pm So why would turkeys be in the position of preventing Christmas?

hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:06 pm verything I’ve learned I’ve learned while drunk.

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:20 am A few years ago I was stopped at a light around the corner from my house and a big tom ran out of the bushes and starting pecking the side of my Jeep.

He could see his reflection and thought he needed to fight a rival.

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:20 am
He could see his reflection and thought he needed to fight a rival.

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:16 am

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:20 am
He could see his reflection and thought he needed to fight a rival.

I thought you were talking about Boris.

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:16 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:16 am

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:20 am
He could see his reflection and thought he needed to fight a rival.

I thought you were talking about Boris.

Naw, you can tell by looking at him he's never seen his reflection.

Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:05 am
On a side note, there are more and more wild turkey groups (herds? clusters?) around my area.

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:16 am

Z-Corn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:20 am
He could see his reflection and thought he needed to fight a rival.

I thought you were talking about Boris.

El Guapo wrote:So why would turkeys be in the position of preventing Christmas?

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will on Wednesday unveil his final Brexit offer to the European Union and make clear that if Brussels does not engage with the proposal, Britain will not negotiate further and will leave on Oct. 31.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:59 pm CNBC

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will on Wednesday unveil his final Brexit offer to the European Union and make clear that if Brussels does not engage with the proposal, Britain will not negotiate further and will leave on Oct. 31.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:41 am

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:59 pm CNBC

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will on Wednesday unveil his final Brexit offer to the European Union and make clear that if Brussels does not engage with the proposal, Britain will not negotiate further and will leave on Oct. 31.

Isn't he now legally required to seek an extension over a no deal, though?

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:46 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:41 am

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:59 pm CNBC

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will on Wednesday unveil his final Brexit offer to the European Union and make clear that if Brussels does not engage with the proposal, Britain will not negotiate further and will leave on Oct. 31.

Isn't he now legally required to seek an extension over a no deal, though?

Yeah - he has hinted previously that he might ignore the law on that. This is obviously more explicit and I'm sure is going to draw a lot of scorn.

The law states that it is the prime minister himself who would have to request an extension directly to the president of the European Council.

It even includes the exact wording of the letter.

So, theoretically, Mr Johnson could refuse to write or sign that letter. But that would almost certainly lead to more court action.

There have been suggestions that Mr Johnson could follow the law by sending the letter - but send another letter setting out his political policy to leave on 31 October.
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Even if Mr Johnson agrees to write the letter, it would still have to be accepted by all of the other EU governments.

European policymakers said Thursday that a new Brexit proposal from British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was unworkable, heightening the prospects of a chaotic British departure from the European Union within weeks.

Although leaders, politicians and negotiators did not dismiss Johnson’s plan out of hand, they made clear the current offer would not win support from the 27 countries that need to sign off on any withdrawal deal, and they were downbeat about it serving as the basis for serious negotiations.
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Johnson’s most substantive plan so far, presented to E.U. leaders Wednesday, tries to address issues in Northern Ireland — the major barrier to a withdrawal agreement. But his written proposal crosses several E.U. red lines. Some policymakers assessed that it would be more damaging to the European Union than the economic and political instability that could come with an abrupt “no-deal” Brexit without any transition period to buffer the way.
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Many European leaders appear to be deferring — for now — to Ireland because of how directly it would be affected by the terms of a Brexit withdrawal.

“There are elements of this proposal that simply will not be part of any deal,” Irish deputy leader Simon Coveney said Thursday.
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Although British Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay had admonished that the ball was in the European Union’s court, Bertaud emphasized, “This work is for the U.K. to do, not the other way around.”

Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU asking for a Brexit delay if no deal is agreed by 19 October, according to government papers submitted to a Scottish court.

The document was revealed as campaigners sought a ruling forcing the PM to comply with the law.

Their QC said the submission contradicted statements by the prime minister last week in Parliament.

But Downing Street said the UK would still be leaving the EU on 31 October.
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A senior Downing Street source said: "The government will comply with the Benn Act, which only imposes a very specific narrow duty concerning Parliament's letter requesting a delay - drafted by an unknown subset of MPs and pro-EU campaigners - and which can be interpreted in different ways.

"But the government is not prevented by the Act from doing other things that cause no delay, including other communications, private and public.

"People will have to wait to see how this is reconciled. The government is making its true position on delay known privately in Europe and this will become public soon."
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Mr Johnson has said he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask for a delay.

In a tweet on Friday afternoon, he said: "New deal or no deal - but no delay."

malchior wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:10 pm One way to interpret that craziness is they go to the EU and explain that they don't want the delay. I have to think that the EU knows this is insane so I have to think they will cook up some leverage. This is a really bad timeline.

A Scottish judge has dismissed a move to force Boris Johnson to comply with a law aimed at avoiding a no-deal Brexit.

Campaigners had wanted to ensure that the prime minister would write to the EU to request an extension if no deal is in place by 19 October.

They argued that statements made by the government showed that it could not be trusted.

But Lord Pentland said there could be "no doubt" that the prime minister had agreed to abide by the law.

As a result, he said there was no need for "coercive orders" against the UK government or against the prime minister.

And he said it would be "destructive of one of the core principles of constitutional propriety and of the mutual trust that is the bedrock of the relationship between the court and the Crown" if Mr Johnson reneged on his assurances to the court.
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In his ruling, Lord Pentland said the UK government had accepted it must "comply fully" with the act and would not seek to "frustrate its purpose".

As a result, he said there was "no proper basis" on which the court could decide that the government would fail to deliver on that undertaking.

A No 10 source has said a Brexit deal is "essentially impossible" after a call between the PM and Angela Merkel.

Boris Johnson and the German chancellor spoke earlier about the proposals he had put forward to the EU - but the source said she made clear a deal based on them was "overwhelmingly unlikely".

Mrs Merkel's office said it would not comment on "private" conversations.

But the BBC's Adam Fleming said there was "scepticism" within the EU that Mrs Merkel would have used such language.

And the EU's top official warned the UK against a "stupid blame game".

Alefroth wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:41 am I mentioned Brexit to a co-worker today and she had never heard the term. I wonder how common it is to have absolutely zero interest in the world at large.

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:07 am As someone who took years (too many years) to start paying attention to politics, I have to say that the biggest problem is that it doesn't make sense. The comparison would be more like a sport that had a massive, detailed rulebook, and everyone had to follow that rulebook. You look at the politicsball and you read the rulebook - ok, overly complicated, but you get it. Except that nobody does what's in the book. Each person writes their own rulebook that is designed to make it look like they're following the official one, then pays the referees to argue on their behalf about how their rulebook is actually the right one.

How do you learn to follow that?

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:40 am

Alefroth wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:41 am I mentioned Brexit to a co-worker today and she had never heard the term. I wonder how common it is to have absolutely zero interest in the world at large.

A quote that I recently saw from a woman who doesn't pay attention to politics clarified this for me. To her, politics is like a sport that she isn't interested in. As someone who is keenly interested in politics, but pays zero attention to any form of sportsball, I understood that. Sure it's a false equivalence; politics ultimately affect everyone's life, whereas sportsball affects nothing -- but in terms of perception, sports is immediate and clear and thrilling and easy to follow, while politics is long-term and opaque and boring and complicated.

Anyway, seeing those two things equated gave me an inkling how somebody can be as oblivious to politics as I'm oblivious to sportsball.