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What about Northern Ireland, are they already out?
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Japan has given Britain just six weeks to sign up to a post-Brexit trade deal or face disruption to its imports and exports.

In the latest sign that the “swashbuckling” drive to sign deals with countries around the world is proving less than straightforward, the UK could lose favourable access to Japanese markets it enjoyed as part of EU membership if no agreement is signed.

UK negotiators also face the prospect of being bounced into a deal on unfavourable terms, as countries like Japan seek to use the reopening of talks to gain further concessions against the UK.

Japanese negotiators this week piled extra pressure on Boris Johnson by accelerating the schedule for a deal, citing a lack of time in their parliamentary calendar.
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A long, hilarious thread about a guy who lives next to a British couple's summer home in France, who voted for Brexit and are now screwed and are sending their son to demand satisfaction from the local French mayor. I'm eagerly awaiting the meeting they've set up for later this week.




Just a few of the great tweets:






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That story is entertaining, but it seems a little too good to be true.
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I don't follow what is being asked of the Mayor nor what is to be lost by the parents.

Edit: Nevermind - found the full tweet chain (didn't realize that first one had a longer thread under it). Got it now.
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I had to read pretty far down to find the problem that is apparently at the root of it: that they won't be able to come and go, to use their vacation home, whenever they want. And they definitely won't be able to retire to it in a handful of years. At least not without jumping through hoops. Now there are likely restrictions on the amount of time they can be there as well as visa requirements. Basically, they seemed to think that Brexit meant that they could prevent foreigners from coming to the UK, but that they would still be able to move about freely through the EU.
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Thank you. I didn't understand but wasn't curious enough to put in the effort to connect any dots.
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LordMortis wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:02 pm Thank you. I didn't understand but wasn't curious enough to put in the effort to connect any dots.
The thread was pretty entertaining in itself. But it definitely bugged me that I couldn't figure out what initiated everything. :D
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And so on Tuesday it finally began. After four years of hearing how everything would stay the same, things started to change. First, parliament passed the Immigration Bill, which definitively terminated freedom of movement in law. Then, at midnight, the deadline passed for the UK and EU to extend the Brexit transition period. There is now, to all intents and purposes, no going back. We've had the rhetoric, and now comes the reality.
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The Immigration Bill was more predictable. It was, after all, the central plank of Brexit and the issue ministers most enjoyed promoting. Sure enough, it passed by a majority of 94 votes in the Commons. MPs even rejected an amendment from Yvette Cooper which sought to preserve the rights of unaccompanied child refugees. And yet, for all the inevitability and cruelty, the vote was still a moment of historic shock. Here was a democratic legislature voting to take away its citizens' rights and those of its closest neighbours and allies. One of the few constants, necessities and joys of human civilisation has been to seek a better life in another place. Since 1973, millions have taken the opportunity to work, study, find love or retire in a place where they were not born. MPs denounced and discarded that freedom, and then celebrated.
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On Tuesday alone, while parliament was ending free movement and Johnson was promising investment, major companies announced almost 10,000 job losses. A government which paid basic lip service to caring about its people would act to stem the flow. This one simply blows another stick of dynamite in the dam.
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A thread

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They are getting their own taste of lawlessness there but I guess it is ok because they are just flat out admitting it...just some light law breaking.

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  • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Brandon Lewis on Tuesday said the government's plans for the province would break international law "in a very specific and limited way."
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government has admitted that its plan to make changes to the Brexit protocol for Northern Ireland is a breach of international law.

In an extraordinary exchange in the House of Commons on Tuesday afternoon, Brandon Lewis, the UK's secretary of state for Northern Ireland, said the plan "does break international law in a very specific and limited way."

A Financial Times report on Sunday that said the UK government was seeking to overwrite the protocol for Northern Ireland agreed upon with the European Union sent shockwaves throughout Westminster and Brussels.

Johnson's government will on Wednesday table legislation that, if implemented, would give UK minsters the power to unilaterally determine several issues relating to trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain which are being negotiated by UK and EU officials.


UK government officials said the changes were minor and would not supplant the withdrawal agreement struck last year. In practice, they would give UK ministers the power to decide which goods are "at risk" of entering the EU, waive export declarations on goods heading from Northern Ireland to Great Britain, and pick and choose when to inform Brussels of state aid decisions that affect the Northern Ireland goods market.

The government has faced accusations across the political spectrum of seeking to wriggle out of commitments it signed up for as part of the Brexit withdrawal treaty. On Tuesday, the Financial Times reported that Jonathan Jones, the head of the UK government's legal department, had quit his position in an apparent protest against the government's plans.

On Tuesday, Lewis confirmed claims that the UK government was planning to break international law.
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The government has unveiled plans to give ministers sweeping powers to “disapply” part of the Brexit deal that Boris Johnson signed in January, in a move that has shocked Brussels, threatens to provoke a rebellion by Conservative MPs and caused Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, to warn there will be “absolutely no chance” of a US-UK trade deal if it presses ahead with the move.
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The move now threatens Brexit talks. The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, condemned the bill on Wednesday. One source said the logical conclusion was that negotiations could be suspended this week.
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I was just catching up on the latest developments. I find it interesting that the US government is essentially staying silent and instead Pelosi is applying pressure. Our house is so out of order. Not that is the first time she has weighed in on Brexit but more so that she is stepping into a vacuum. It is very odd to say the least.
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A Twitter thread:
8. Joe Biden said there would be no UK/US Trade Deal if the IMB went ahead

9. Iain Duncan Smith said "we don’t need lectures" from Joe Biden

10. Trump’s special envoy to NI also said there would be no Trade Deal
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15. Dominic Raab, whose job it is to understand the Good Friday Agreement, admitted he hasn’t read the Good Friday Agreement

16. His excuse is: "it’s not a novel". True. Novels tend to be longer than 35 pages, aren't vital to solving conflicts that killed 3600 people
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The United Kingdom and European Union have reached a post-Brexit trade agreement after months of fraught negotiations, the British government said in a statement Thursday. The breakthrough averts a much-feared "no-deal" scenario that would have sparked economic chaos and risked major disruption to the flow of goods and medicines.
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It is unlikely that the deal will be formally ratified before the Brexit transition ends, given that it still needs to go through a series of legal hoops.

EU leaders, the European parliament, and the UK government will all need to now approve the agreement on their own.

The legal text of the agreement will first be translated, reviewed and approved by all 27 EU member states.

Once all member states give their sign off, it will then go back to the European Parliament, where Members of European Parliament (MEPs) will vote to ratify the deal.

But the European Parliament has said that it is too late to hold an emergency voting session before the transition period ends on December 31.

Instead, they plan to apply the EU-UK agreement "provisionally," with MEPs reconvening formally to ratify the deal in the New Year.
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Huh who would have thought leaving a frictionless trade enclave would lead to more paperwork and less competitive access to that market?

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I would've never voted for Brexit if I knew what was going to happen was what every critic said would happen.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:18 am I would've never voted for Brexit if I knew what was going to happen was what every critic said would happen.
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They say they’re only going to eat the faces of the right people.
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Going back to twentieth century tech should work! Making Brexit great!

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The one benefit of Brexit?

"The U.K. may have been able to approve a vaccine more quickly because it no longer had to take part in the EMA’s drug assessments since the Brexit transition period began"
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This is a pretty dubious success when they then immediately threw caution to the wind and started to administer it differently than how it was trialed.
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Thalidomide, anyone?
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