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Grifman wrote:Now is it starting to look like just another authoritarian Muslim state. It's hard to believe, the turn around is stunning, and those opposing Turkish membership in the EU seem to have made the correct call.
Sort of, but it's hard to say because the EU has had an impact on politics within Turkey. If Turkey was a part of the EU or if Turkey was at least on a plausible path to EU membership, then the EU would have more influence and leverage in Turkey. Pro-western pro-EU factions within Turkey would be better able to argue that voting for more secular pro-western politicians / policies is more likely to facilitate EU membership and lead to a more prosperous Turkey. And the EU would have a stronger stick against anti-democratic measures.

As it is, right now the EU has almost no leverage - "don't do that or you won't get into the EU" is completely hollow since everyone in Turkey damn well knows that they're not getting in anyway.

Agree with you generally, though. Incredibly sad.
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Erdogan announces three-month state of emergency
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday announced a three-month state of emergency, saying this would enable the authorities to take swift and effective action against those responsible for last weekend's failed military coup. Erdogan, who has launched mass purges of state institutions since the July 15 coup attempt by a faction within the military, said the move was in line with Turkey's constitution and did not violate the rule of law or basic freedoms of Turkish citizens. "The aim of the declaration of the state of emergency is to be able to take fast and effective steps against this threat against democracy, the rule of law and rights and freedoms of our citizens," Erdogan said. The president accuses a U.S.-based Muslim cleric, Fethullah Gulen, of being behind the coup. Gulen, who has many followers in Turkey and abroad, denies the charge.

Erdogan made his announcement in a live television broadcast late on Wednesday evening in front of assembled government ministers after a meeting of the National Security Council that lasted nearly five hours. The state of emergency, which comes into force after it is published in Turkey's official gazette, will allow the president and cabinet to bypass parliament in passing new laws and to limit or suspend rights and freedoms as they deem necessary. Erdogan said regional governors would receive increased powers under the state of emergency, adding that the armed forces would work in line with government orders. "Europe does not have the right to criticize this decision," Erdogan added, apparently anticipating expressions of concern from the European Union, which has become increasingly critical of Turkey's rights record and has urged restraint as Ankara purges its state institutions since the abortive coup. Turkey is an EU candidate country, though it is not expected to join for many years if ever.
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Max Peck wrote:
"Europe does not have the right to criticize this decision," Erdogan added
Lol. Hilarious.

And if they do, I'm going to sue you under Germany's anti-defamation of foreign leaders law.
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Turkey to temporarily suspend European Convention on Human Rights after coup attempt
Turkey will temporarily suspend the implementation of its obligations emanating from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), in line with the declaration of a state of emergency, Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmuş has said, while vowing that fundamental rights and freedoms will not be affected during this period.

“France has also recently proclaimed a state of emergency. And they suspended the ECHR, based on Article 15 of the convention,” Kurtulmuş told a group of Ankara bureau chiefs of media outlets on July 21.

“A declaration of a state of emergency is not against the ECHR,” he said, adding that Ankara would announce its decision to suspend the ECHR through a formal statement.

Article 15 of the ECHR stipulates: “In time of war or other public emergencies threatening the life of the nation, any High Contracting Party may take measures derogating from its obligations under this Convention to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with its other obligations under international law.”
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“We will not reverse fundamental rights and freedoms. We won’t retreat from our democratic gains,” Kurtulmuş vowed, adding that the government’s objective was to protect the social and political unity of the country.

“Our citizens with different political views or lifestyles should not feel uncomfortable. This is not a proclamation of martial law, there won’t be curfews. The right to assembly will continue to be exercised,” he added.

The government will be able to use the authority to issue legislative decrees but they will only related to the attempted coup-related issues, Kurtulmuş said, adding that parliament would continue to be open, working in line with its normal agenda.

“For us, the greatest power is the parliament and the people. We do not want to try to bypass it,” he added.
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Well, it seems that Erdogan has decided to quit democracy (drum roll please...) Cold Turkey.

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Defiant wrote:Well, it seems that Erdogan has decided to quit democracy (drum roll please...) Cold Turkey.

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Turkey coup attempt: 'Arrest warrants issued' for journalists
Turkey's authorities have issued detention warrants for 42 journalists, local media say, as part of an inquiry into the failed coup on 15 July. Prominent commentator Nazli Ilicak is said to be on the list. Ankara has not publicly commented on the claim. The authorities have already detained or placed under investigation thousands of soldiers, judges and civil servants. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has vowed to purge state bodies of the "virus" he says caused the revolt. So far, five journalists have been detained for questioning, Turkish news agencies report. The closure of several media outlets was ordered in the days following the attempted coup, but this is the first time that individual journalists have been identified, the BBC's Nick Thorpe in Istanbul reports. The most prominent of the 42 is 72-year-old Nazli Ilicak. She was fired from the pro-government Sabah daily three years ago for criticising government ministers who are under investigation for alleged corruption.
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Early parole:
Turkey issued a decree Wednesday paving the way for the conditional release of some 38,000 prisoners, the justice minister said — an apparent move to reduce its prison population to make space for thousands of people who have been arrested as part of an investigation into last month's failed coup.

The government decree, issued under Turkey's three-month long state of emergency that was declared following the coup, allows the release of inmates who have two years or less to serve of their prison terms and makes convicts who have served half of their prison term eligible for parole. Some prisoners are excluded from the measures: people convicted of murder, domestic violence, sexual abuse or terrorism and other crimes against the state.
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You know you have a great government when they're releasing existing prisoners to make room for targets of a mass purge.
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El Guapo wrote:You know you have a great government when they're releasing existing prisoners to make room for targets of a mass purge of firefighters, shop owners, corporate employees and other well known and powerful political activists such as these.
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There must be a Gulenist under every bed...
Turkey has suspended almost 13,000 police officers for their alleged links with the US-based Muslim cleric, Fethullah Gulen.

The latest wave adds to the 100,000 or so civil servants dismissed or suspended since July's failed coup.

Mr Gulen denies the government's accusation that he or his supporters orchestrated the coup.

The government in turn rejects claims it is using the coup as an excuse to get rid of its opponents.

It insists those without proven links to the coup will be freed.
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Gulenist until proven innocent?
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Isgrimnur wrote:Gulenist until proven innocent?
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Recommended reading (but pour yourself a cuppa first, it's another long one).

Turkey’s Thirty-Year Coup
At nine o’clock on the night of July 15th, General Hulusi Akar, the chief of the Turkish Army’s general staff, heard a knock on his office door in Ankara, the nation’s capital. It was one of his subordinates, General Mehmet Dişli, and he was there to report that a military coup had begun. “We will get everybody,” Dişli said. “Battalions and brigades are on their way. You will soon see.”

Akar was aghast. “What the hell are you saying?” he asked.

In other cities, officers involved in the coup had ordered their units to detain senior military leaders, block major roads, and seize crucial institutions like Istanbul Atatürk Airport. Two dozen F-16 fighters took to the air. According to statements from some of the officers involved, the plotters asked Akar to join them. When he refused, they handcuffed him and flew him by helicopter to an airbase where other generals were being held; at one point, one of the rebels pointed a gun at Akar and threatened to shoot.

After midnight, a news anchor for Turkish Radio and Television was forced to read a statement by the plotters, who called themselves the Peace at Home Committee, a reference to one of the country’s founding ideals. Without mentioning the President, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, by name, the statement said that his government had destroyed the country’s institutions, engaged in corruption, supported terrorism, and ignored human rights: “The secular and democratic rule of law has been virtually eliminated.”

For a time, the rebels seemed to have the upper hand. Provincial governors and community leaders surrendered or joined in, along with police squads. In a series of text messages discovered after the coup, a Major Murat Çelebioğlu told his group, “The deputies of the Istanbul police chief have been called, informed, and the vast majority have complied.”

A Colonel Uzan Şahin replied, “Tell our police friends: I kiss their eyes.”

But the plot seemed haphazard. A helicopter team sent to locate Erdoğan in Marmaris, the resort town where he was vacationing, failed to capture the President, despite a shootout with guards at his hotel. The rebels took control of only one television station, and left cellular-phone networks untouched. Erdoğan was able to record a video message, played on CNN Turk, in which he called on Turkish citizens to “take to the streets.” They did, in huge numbers. Faced with overwhelming popular resistance, the troops had to decide between shooting large groups of demonstrators and giving up. By morning, the uprising had been broken.

Erdoğan declared a national emergency and, in the weeks that followed, made a series of appearances to remind the nation of the cost of the coup. Some of the plotters had brutally shot demonstrators and comrades who opposed them. One rebel major, faced with resistance, had texted his soldiers, “Crush them, burn them, no compromise.” More than two hundred and sixty people were killed and thousands wounded. The F-16s had bombed the parliament building, blasting holes in the façade and scattering chunks of concrete in the hallways.

In Erdoğan’s telling, the coup was not a legitimate sign of civic unrest. In fact, it did not even originate in Turkey; the rebels “were being told what to do from Pennsylvania.” For Turks, the coded message was clear: Erdoğan meant that the mastermind of the coup was Fethullah Gülen, a seventy-eight-year-old cleric, who had been living in exile for two decades in the Poconos, between Allentown and Scranton.

Gülen, a dour, balding proselytizer with a scratchy voice, had fled Turkey in 1999, fearing arrest by the country’s military rulers. From afar, though, he had served as a spiritual guide for millions and overseen a worldwide network of charter schools, known for offering scholarships to the poor. Gülen’s sermons and writings emphasized reconciling Islam with contemporary science, and promoted charity; his movement is called Hizmet, or “service.” For many in the West, it represented a hopeful trend in Islam. Gülen met with Pope John Paul II and the leaders of major Jewish organizations, and was fêted by President Bill Clinton, who saluted his “ideas of tolerance and interfaith dialogue.”

To many outside observers, Erdoğan’s accusation sounded like something out of an airport thriller: a secret cabal burrowing into a modern state and awaiting orders from its elderly leader on a hilltop half a world away. For Erdoğan, though, it was a statement of political reality. Gülen, once a crucial ally, had become the leader of a shadow state, determined to bring down the Administration. In the following weeks, Erdoğan’s forces detained tens of thousands of people who he claimed were loyal to Gülen. In outraged statements to the United States government, he demanded that Gülen be extradited, so that he could be made to face justice in a Turkish court.

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The irony of the attempted coup is that Erdoğan has emerged stronger than ever. The popular uprising that stopped the plot was led in many cases by people who disliked Erdoğan only marginally less than they disliked the prospect of a military regime. But the result has been to set up Erdoğan and his party to rule, with nearly absolute authority, for as long as he wants. “Even before the coup attempt, we had concerns that the government and the President were approaching politics and governance in ways that were designed to lock in a competitive advantage—to insure you would have perpetual one-party rule,” the second Western diplomat said.

Erdoğan has solidified his power, but he has also put himself in the awkward position of denouncing a man who enabled his rise. Talking about Gülen and his movement, he can seem almost to be in pain. “They came asking for seventeen universities, and I approved all of them,” he told a crowd in 2014. “He asked for land for schools, we gave it to him,” he added. “We gave them all kinds of support.” Erdoğan rarely spoke Gülen’s name in these speeches, but this time he addressed him and his followers directly. “So this is treason?” he asked, sounding dismayed. “What did you ask for that you couldn’t get?”

The day after the coup, Gülen emerged from seclusion, summoning reporters to his compound for a press conference, at which he denied any involvement. As he watched his followers being arrested en masse—and as he became a national pariah—an edge crept into his voice. He told his followers that Erdoğan had staged the coup, and that no one outside Turkey believed that Gülen was responsible. In a sermon recorded a few days later, he said, “Let a bunch of idiots think they have succeeded, let them celebrate, let them declare their ridiculous situation a celebration, but the world is making fun of this situation, and that is how it is going to go down in the history books.

“Be patient,” he told his followers. “Victory will come.”

Gülen is old and ailing; it seems unlikely that he will be able to keep up the fight for much longer. Listening to his sermon, I thought back to my meeting with him last year. Even then, his movement was being dismantled, his followers on the run. I asked how he thought he would be remembered, and he gave me an answer the like of which I’ve never heard from another leader in politics or religion. “It may sound strange to you, but I wish to be forgotten when I die,” he said. “I wish my grave not to be known. I wish to die in solitude, with nobody actually becoming aware of my death and hence nobody conducting my funeral prayer. I wish that nobody remember me.”
tl;dr: There's reason to believe the coup actually was a Gülenist plot, but that doesn't mean that Erdoğan isn't using it as an excuse to sweep aside all oppostion within the state.
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Never let a good crisis go to waste.
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According to the new Newsweek article on Trump's personal foreign entanglements, Erdogan is already putting authoritarian pressure on Trump's Turkish business partners--that is, threatening Trump money--to try to force Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.

Trump's lunatic adviser Michael Flynn has Turkish business connections and has already called for Gulen's expulsion.

Presumably Gulen is packing up for a move to Canada right about now.
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Gulen is probably fucked. His only way out is via the current administration and I severely doubt the Obama administration will help him. There is no upside.
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Government prosecutors in Turkey are seeking an arrest warrant for New York Knicks center Enes Kanter, a Turkish national and political opponent of the country’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Turkish pro-government newspaper Sabah reported Wednesday that officials in Istanbul were seeking a “red notice” through Interpol, asking the international police agencies to detain Kanter, 26, and remand him to Turkish authorities.

Kanter is aligned with Fethullah Gulen, a Muslim cleric, conservative political figure and former Erdogan ally living in exile in rural Pennsylvania. Erdogan’s government accuses Gulen of orchestrating a failed 2016 coup attempt and has jailed thousands of his followers and removed thousands of others from civil society positions.

Turkey’s government considers the Gulenist movement a terrorist organization, and accused Kanter of funding the group. Kanter in a tweet Wednesday said the Turkish government “can NOT present any single piece of evidence of my wrongdoing” and called himself “a law-abiding resident.” He has not returned to Turkey since 2016.

“People think that because I’m talking against the government, I don’t love my country,” Kanter said in an April interview. “I love my flag. I love my country. I love my people. My problem is not with my country or my flag or the Turkish people. My problem is the regime right now.”
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I'll happily observe that it is 2019 and Gulen is still in exile in the US.

Congrats, Drumpf administration. You managed to do the right thing by not doing anything. I put that in the win column.
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