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Post by gbasden » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:28 pm

Moliere wrote:House Passes Bill Making Abortion After 20 Weeks a Federal Crime
Under the new legislation (H.R. 36), abortion after 20 weeks pregnancy would be a crime except in cases where the life of the mother is at risk or the pregnancy is a product of rape or incest. Pregnant women who find out after the cutoff that they are carrying an nonviable fetus (i.e., one that cannot survive outside the womb) would still be forced to carry the fetus to term.

While women seeking an abortion after 20 weeks would not be criminalized under federal law, anyone who performed or agreed to perform an abortion on someone more than 20 weeks pregnant would face five years in federal prison, a fine, or both. "A woman who undergoes a prohibited abortion may not be prosecuted for violating or conspiring to violate the provisions of this bill," it states.
The "nonviable fetus" part seems a little weird. What's the point other than maybe a Dr. using it as a loophole to perform abortions after 20 weeks?
I hate to keep bringing this up, but fuck them. If this had been in place, it easily could have destroyed my wife's ability to have another child and could have possibly led to her death. These people are awful fucking human beings.

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:17 pm

gbasden wrote:
Moliere wrote:House Passes Bill Making Abortion After 20 Weeks a Federal Crime
Under the new legislation (H.R. 36), abortion after 20 weeks pregnancy would be a crime except in cases where the life of the mother is at risk or the pregnancy is a product of rape or incest. Pregnant women who find out after the cutoff that they are carrying an nonviable fetus (i.e., one that cannot survive outside the womb) would still be forced to carry the fetus to term.

While women seeking an abortion after 20 weeks would not be criminalized under federal law, anyone who performed or agreed to perform an abortion on someone more than 20 weeks pregnant would face five years in federal prison, a fine, or both. "A woman who undergoes a prohibited abortion may not be prosecuted for violating or conspiring to violate the provisions of this bill," it states.
The "nonviable fetus" part seems a little weird. What's the point other than maybe a Dr. using it as a loophole to perform abortions after 20 weeks?
I hate to keep bringing this up, but fuck them. If this had been in place, it easily could have destroyed my wife's ability to have another child and could have possibly led to her death. These people are awful fucking human beings.
In theory if it could have led to her death she could have 'qualified' under the life of the mother exemption, though even then the doctor in question would have to be willing to risk jail time if a prosecutor second-guessed his medical judgment. I would also guess that the risk that that your wife's capacity to have more children could be destroyed would probably not qualify under the 'life of the mother' exception.

Maybe you could have divorced your wife and married someone else in order to use the bill's secret "pregnant mistress" exception.

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Post by Zarathud » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:32 am

gbasden wrote:I hate to keep bringing this up, but fuck them. If this had been in place, it easily could have destroyed my wife's ability to have another child and could have possibly led to her death. These people are awful fucking human beings.
Same here. My wife's first pregnancy resulted in a Trisomy 13 chromosomal abnormality. Most infants with the condition don't live past their first 2 weeks of life, but they "could" be viable under this definition. 90% of those born alive die during their first year. This fucking bill would have forced my wife to attempt to carry the child to term if we hadn't done the DNA testing at 14 weeks because the severe defects otherwise don't show up until the 18-21 month ultrasound. It was hard enough with legal abortion.

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Zarathud wrote: until the 18-21 month ultrasound.
Sorry, serious topic I know, but holy cow lawyers have a long gestation period!
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Post by Zarathud » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:25 am

LOL, yes, weeks. Tired and OUTRAGED! :)
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Post by hepcat » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:47 am

stessier wrote:
Zarathud wrote: until the 18-21 month ultrasound.
Sorry, serious topic I know, but holy cow lawyers have a long gestation period!
They can't come out until they've presented a compelling case.
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Post by hepcat » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:56 am

Yeah, I saw that last night. What a slime bag.
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Post by LordMortis » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:28 pm

Beyond the sleaze, abortion has been coming up a lot in the last few weeks. Is there a reason for this? Is this a battle cry instructed by the current GOP? Specifically, this week, ever since Las Vegas the gun control vs abortion things is nigh constant in my social media feed.

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Post by stessier » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:34 pm

LordMortis wrote:Beyond the sleaze, abortion has been coming up a lot in the last few weeks. Is there a reason for this? Is this a battle cry instructed by the current GOP? Specifically, this week, ever since Las Vegas the gun control vs abortion things is nigh constant in my social media feed.
Annually, on the first Sunday of October, many churches participate in a Right to Life chain across the country. I would suspect that's a big factor.
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Post by LordMortis » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:45 pm

I did not know that.

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Post by Defiant » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:16 pm

Actually, it looks like he's going to resign effective October 21.

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Post by gbasden » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:06 pm

I'll never understand how congress people can push bills like this while at the same time letting CHIP expire and wanting to slash Medicaid. They care SOOOOO much about the unborn children unless they make the stupid decision to be born to poor parents. Then, fuck them.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:36 pm

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Texas’ latest attempt to restrict abortions was struck down Wednesday, as a federal judge ruled banning a common procedure unconstitutional.
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The regulations Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law in July would have required doctors to stop the heart of a fetus before removing it in an abortion.

“The Act establishes a point of fetal demise at a time before fetal viability,” Yeakel wrote. “In so doing, the Act does not further the health of the woman before the fetus is viable.”

Whole Woman’s Health and other groups sued over the portion of Senate Bill 8 that bans “dismemberment abortions,” a non-medical term that describes removing a fetus in the second trimester of a pregnancy without first stopping its heart. Medical professionals interpreted “dilation and evacuation” abortions, which are widely considered safe, to fall under the new law’s umbrella.

Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a notice of appeal to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and said he would defend Senate Bill 8 at the U.S. Supreme Court, if necessary.
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During the trial, witnesses and attorneys for Whole Woman’s Health said the law would have forced providers to stop performing second-trimester abortions.
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Abortion providers did not challenge portions of the law that ban abortion after 20 weeks and regulate how doctors administer abortion-inducing pills.

This year’s Senate Bill 8 also requires fetal remains from miscarriages and abortions to be buried or cremated, language from previous state regulations that a federal judge struck down. U.S. District Court Judge Sam Sparks ruled in January that the rules “likely are unconstitutionally vague and impose an undue burden on the right to an abortion.” The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in June allowed Paxton to appeal Sparks’ decision to block the rule. The legal challenge is still pending.
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Post by Grifman » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:37 pm

People with Down's Syndrome have lives worth living:

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:04 am

Anecdotal testimony. Not every one gets the same results. And not every parent is prepared or willing to give their example the same support. Not to mention that the impacts of DS are on a sliding scale.
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Post by Paingod » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:55 am

While I don't doubt that people with Down's Syndrome can lead happy, productive lives - I also respect a person's choice to opt out of a lifetime of providing extra care. I have seen some truly dedicated parents in my 40 years, and I respect each and every one of them for what they've done. I wouldn't think any less of any of them if they had the option to avoid that and chose to lead different lives.

I am completely pro-choice, and pro-science when it comes to understanding what the fertilized cells in your body might mean to you in the coming years.

It brings to mind an NPR show over the weekend that was discussing CRISPR and the doors it may be opening to allow us to alter genetic coding - possibly even at a level that allows a couple to be very selective about what traits their child may or may not have. The logic was basically that we're already doing this on a smaller scale without a serious ethical dilemma - in vitro fertilization allows parents to choose a gender. Why not eye color, height, and other traits? I think the cancelled show Almost Human included genetically enhanced 'superior' people that were all attractive, naturally fit, highly intelligent, and generally shunned by normal people.
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Post by Zarathud » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:30 pm

Everyone who can get care and treatment can have a life worth living. I wouldn't trade my two Type 1 insulin dependent children for anything, but I would correct the genes for their deficient pancreas if possible. It's treatable with current tech but we do have to watch all the time to make sure they avoid a diabetic coma from low blood sugar (or long-term organ damage from high blood sugar. I wouldn't judge any person who is unwilling or unable to handle that commitment and life.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:14 am

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Indiana's ban on "selective abortions," which was signed into law in 2016 by then-Gov. Mike Pence (R), is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court ruled on Thursday.

The law banned women from having abortions based on the gender, race or disability of the fetus.

The law imposes an "undue burden" on a woman's right to get an abortion, said the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago.

“The Supreme Court has been clear: the State may inform a woman’s decision before viability, but it cannot prohibit it,” Judge William Bauer wrote.

Similar bills passed or proposed in other states have specifically tried to ban abortions based on a Down syndrome diagnosis.

North Dakota, Louisiana and Ohio are the only states with these bans.

Anti-abortion groups argue the Indiana law and those like it protect discrimination of unborn children who are diagnosed with disabilities.
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Abortion rights groups, however, argued such bans are just aimed at restricting access to abortion.
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Post by Moliere » Fri May 04, 2018 6:24 pm

Iowa governor signs strictest abortion regulation in America
Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds on Friday signed a law banning most abortions if a fetal heartbeat can be detected, or at around six weeks of pregnancy, marking the strictest abortion regulation in the nation — but setting the state up for a lengthy court fight.

The ban, set to take effect on July 1, has propelled Iowa to the front of a push among conservative statehouses jockeying to enact restrictive regulations on the medical procedure. Mississippi passed a law earlier this year banning abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, but it's on hold after a court challenge.

The Iowa law provides for some exemptions that allow abortions during a later pregnancy stage to save a pregnant woman's life or in some cases of rape and incest.
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Critics argued the bill would ban abortions before some women even know they're pregnant. That likely sets the state up for a legal challenge, including from the same federal appeals court that three years ago struck down similar legislation approved in Arkansas and North Dakota.

In Iowa, the same Republican-majority Legislature passed a 20-week abortion ban last year. It's now in effect, though a provision requiring a three-day waiting period to get an abortion is tied up in a lawsuit filed by Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. Still, Republican lawmakers indicated they would push for more restrictions this session.
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Post by Holman » Fri May 04, 2018 6:41 pm

Most pregnant women don't even know it at six weeks.
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Post by Moliere » Fri May 04, 2018 6:45 pm

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Most pregnant women don't even know it at six weeks.
Yup, that's why I included this part of the article:

"Critics argued the bill would ban abortions before some women even know they're pregnant. That likely sets the state up for a legal challenge, including from the same federal appeals court that three years ago struck down similar legislation approved in Arkansas and North Dakota."

It makes for a logistical challenge for those trying to complete the procedure before the deadline.
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Post by Moliere » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:29 pm

Shocking no one:

Judge temporarily blocks Iowa's 'fetal heartbeat' law while lawsuit is resolved
Iowa's fetal heartbeat law, which would give the state the most restrictive abortion regulations in the country, has temporarily been put on hold.

Polk County District Court Judge Michael Huppert said at a hearing Friday that he would grant a temporary injunction while a lawsuit challenging the law's constitutionality is resolved.

The injunction stops the law from being enforced while the litigation works its way through the courts, but does not permanently block the law, which was set to take effect July 1.
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A federal judge on Thursday blocked until at least next month hotly debated Texas rules mandating burial or cremation of fetal remains that were set to go into effect within days.
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U.S. District Judge David Alan Ezra struck down a Texas law on Wednesday that would have required hospitals and clinics to bury or cremate fetal remains, causing another courtroom setback for state leaders and anti-abortion groups.
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“I will tell you that in this regard and it was not even a close call, showed that the legal issues aside the implementation of this law as I have pointed out would cause and if allowed to go into effect, would be a violation of a woman’s right to obtain a legal abortion under the law as it stands today,” Ezra said Wednesday.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm

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A resolution essentially calling on state officials to ignore U.S. Supreme Court decisions legalizing abortion passed the Oklahoma House of Representatives on a voice vote Monday afternoon.

No discussion or debate was allowed on House Resolution 1004, by Rep. Chuck Strohm, R-Jenks. Afterward, Strohm was allowed a few minutes of personal privilege, during which he said the Supreme Court had violated “every act of decency and law” and the nation’s founding documents by “forcing the murder of unborn children on our society” through abortion.

He called on state officials to fulfill their oaths to uphold the Constitution and “to exercise their authority as appropriate in their respective jurisdictions to stop the murder of innocent unborn children by abortion.”

As a simple resolution, HR 1004 is considered a statement of policy and does not carry the weight of law.
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