Octopus Overlords

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:53 pm Fuck what people think of you.
Do what you feel and then live with the consequences.

Except we all have to live with shared consequences.

That's why elections are about persuading others.

See, heres the problem I see. Income inequality is making people dumber and less engaged and truly angry. There are enough people out there that are so disgusted with their lot in life; that they will knowingly who vote for the worst possible canidate just to burn it all down. I'm not even talking about the dum dums who believe in Trump, I'm talking about the people who know the system is screwing them.

If the machine doesen't work for them then why should it be allowed to work for anyone? Why should I knowingly support a canidate who may talk a good game but will give exactly two f-cks about people who work for a living (or would like to).

Its like a house burning down, and the people in the house are allowed to vote for a fireman who won't save the people in the first floor no matter what but will save the people in the floors above them, or a fireman who may help a few people in the attic but the house is gonna burn down regardless.

What incentive will the people on the first floor have to save the building? None that I can see.

F-ck I'm not explaining this right.

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:27 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:53 pm Fuck what people think of you.
Do what you feel and then live with the consequences.

Except we all have to live with shared consequences.

That's why elections are about persuading others.

See, heres the problem I see. Income inequality is making people dumber and less engaged and truly angry. There are enough people out there that are so disgusted with their lot in life; that they will knowingly who vote for the worst possible canidate just to burn it all down. I'm not even talking about the dum dums who believe in Trump, I'm talking about the people who know the system is screwing them.

If the machine doesen't work for them then why should it be allowed to work for anyone? Why should I knowingly support a canidate who may talk a good game but will give exactly two f-cks about people who work for a living (or would like to).

Its like a house burning down, and the people in the house are allowed to vote for a fireman who won't save the people in the first floor no matter what but will save the people in the floors above them, or a fireman who may help a few people in the attic but the house is gonna burn down regardless.

What incentive will the people on the first floor have to save the building? None that I can see.

F-ck I'm not explaining this right.

Your simile is a cartoon.

The choice is between a president that does some good things and one who does many, many terrible things.

You'd like it to be otherwise, but that's how it is. It's possible that options might expand in the future, but (paradoxically, because Constitution) voting third-party actually makes this less likely.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:32 pm

Holman wrote:

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:03 pm I dont think I can vote for a corporate democrat. I'll prolly go third party if some corporate dem slimes his way into the nomination.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Seriously. Have you looked at where we are?

Fight for the best Dem you can see in the primary, but then vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

This year more than ever, third parties are absolute bullshit.

He’s moving from California to Oregon. His vote for president matters as much as mine does.

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:03 pm I dont think I can vote for a corporate democrat. I'll prolly go third party if some corporate dem slimes his way into the nomination.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Seriously. Have you looked at where we are?

Fight for the best Dem you can see in the primary, but then vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

This year more than ever, third parties are absolute bullshit.

Fireball wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:01 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:03 pm I dont think I can vote for a corporate democrat. I'll prolly go third party if some corporate dem slimes his way into the nomination.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Seriously. Have you looked at where we are?

Fight for the best Dem you can see in the primary, but then vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

This year more than ever, third parties are absolute bullshit.

Children are being stolen from their parents and placed in concentration camps where some of them are dying. Anyone who in the face of this unthinkable nightmare of an Administration can’t bring themselves to vote for the Democratic, even if he or she is not their preferred candidate, is a deeply selfish, stupid and shitty excuse for a human being.

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:53 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:01 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:03 pm I dont think I can vote for a corporate democrat. I'll prolly go third party if some corporate dem slimes his way into the nomination.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Seriously. Have you looked at where we are?

Fight for the best Dem you can see in the primary, but then vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

This year more than ever, third parties are absolute bullshit.

Children are being stolen from their parents and placed in concentration camps where some of them are dying. Anyone who in the face of this unthinkable nightmare of an Administration can’t bring themselves to vote for the Democratic, even if he or she is not their preferred candidate, is a deeply selfish, stupid and shitty excuse for a human being.

Yeah... People who don't vote for whatever corporatist gets the Dem nod are a real "basket of deplorables" right?

Fireball wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:07 am

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:53 pm

Fireball wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:01 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:03 pm I dont think I can vote for a corporate democrat. I'll prolly go third party if some corporate dem slimes his way into the nomination.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Seriously. Have you looked at where we are?

Fight for the best Dem you can see in the primary, but then vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

This year more than ever, third parties are absolute bullshit.

Children are being stolen from their parents and placed in concentration camps where some of them are dying. Anyone who in the face of this unthinkable nightmare of an Administration can’t bring themselves to vote for the Democratic, even if he or she is not their preferred candidate, is a deeply selfish, stupid and shitty excuse for a human being.

Yeah... People who don't vote for whatever corporatist gets the Dem nod are a real "basket of deplorables" right?

Of course, I’m sure you, being a deep and informed political thinker, have a clear and unimpeachable definition of what a “corporate Democrat” is.

Max Peck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:04 am No, that's when we start calling them death camps instead of concentration camps.

Drazzil wrote:

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:53 pm Fuck what people think of you.
Do what you feel and then live with the consequences.

Except we all have to live with shared consequences.

That's why elections are about persuading others.

See, heres the problem I see. Income inequality is making people dumber and less engaged and truly angry. There are enough people out there that are so disgusted with their lot in life; that they will knowingly who vote for the worst possible canidate just to burn it all down. I'm not even talking about the dum dums who believe in Trump, I'm talking about the people who know the system is screwing them.

If the machine doesen't work for them then why should it be allowed to work for anyone? Why should I knowingly support a canidate who may talk a good game but will give exactly two f-cks about people who work for a living (or would like to).

Its like a house burning down, and the people in the house are allowed to vote for a fireman who won't save the people in the first floor no matter what but will save the people in the floors above them, or a fireman who may help a few people in the attic but the house is gonna burn down regardless.

What incentive will the people on the first floor have to save the building? None that I can see.

F-ck I'm not explaining this right.

What they found is fascinating: Americans’ mental image of the “other side” is a caricature.

According to the Democratic caricature, most Republicans stridently oppose immigration, hold deeply prejudiced views about religious minorities, and are blind to the existence of racism or sexism. Asked to guess what share of Republicans believe that immigration can strengthen America so long as it is “properly controlled,” for example, Democrats estimated about half; actually, nearly nine in ten agreed with this sentiment.

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Drazzil wrote:

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:53 pm Fuck what people think of you.
Do what you feel and then live with the consequences.

Except we all have to live with shared consequences.

That's why elections are about persuading others.

See, heres the problem I see. Income inequality is making people dumber and less engaged and truly angry. There are enough people out there that are so disgusted with their lot in life; that they will knowingly who vote for the worst possible canidate just to burn it all down. I'm not even talking about the dum dums who believe in Trump, I'm talking about the people who know the system is screwing them.

If the machine doesen't work for them then why should it be allowed to work for anyone? Why should I knowingly support a canidate who may talk a good game but will give exactly two f-cks about people who work for a living (or would like to).

Its like a house burning down, and the people in the house are allowed to vote for a fireman who won't save the people in the first floor no matter what but will save the people in the floors above them, or a fireman who may help a few people in the attic but the house is gonna burn down regardless.

What incentive will the people on the first floor have to save the building? None that I can see.

F-ck I'm not explaining this right.

Take a look at the perception gap :

What they found is fascinating: Americans’ mental image of the “other side” is a caricature.

According to the Democratic caricature, most Republicans stridently oppose immigration, hold deeply prejudiced views about religious minorities, and are blind to the existence of racism or sexism. Asked to guess what share of Republicans believe that immigration can strengthen America so long as it is “properly controlled,” for example, Democrats estimated about half; actually, nearly nine in ten agreed with this sentiment.

The problem isn't Americans or income inequality, it's the system which induces extreme representatives who don't fully represent their constituents.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:34 pm Oh Lord its election debate time again already. It does not seem like its been long since they all started in 2015. By mid 2016 we were SICK TO DEATH of anything to do with elections. And here it is starting again. Its as if as soon as it ends it restarts. Ugh. Dread it all. Got no one to fuss about it with but the chihuahua this time. Wish they were relegated to a single special tv channel . That way if someone cared they could go watch and leave the rest of us alone.

But really the time since it started last time seems to have flown by quick.

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Drazzil wrote:

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 pm

stimpy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:53 pm Fuck what people think of you.
Do what you feel and then live with the consequences.

Except we all have to live with shared consequences.

That's why elections are about persuading others.

See, heres the problem I see. Income inequality is making people dumber and less engaged and truly angry. There are enough people out there that are so disgusted with their lot in life; that they will knowingly who vote for the worst possible canidate just to burn it all down. I'm not even talking about the dum dums who believe in Trump, I'm talking about the people who know the system is screwing them.

If the machine doesen't work for them then why should it be allowed to work for anyone? Why should I knowingly support a canidate who may talk a good game but will give exactly two f-cks about people who work for a living (or would like to).

Its like a house burning down, and the people in the house are allowed to vote for a fireman who won't save the people in the first floor no matter what but will save the people in the floors above them, or a fireman who may help a few people in the attic but the house is gonna burn down regardless.

What incentive will the people on the first floor have to save the building? None that I can see.

F-ck I'm not explaining this right.

Take a look at the perception gap :

What they found is fascinating: Americans’ mental image of the “other side” is a caricature.

According to the Democratic caricature, most Republicans stridently oppose immigration, hold deeply prejudiced views about religious minorities, and are blind to the existence of racism or sexism. Asked to guess what share of Republicans believe that immigration can strengthen America so long as it is “properly controlled,” for example, Democrats estimated about half; actually, nearly nine in ten agreed with this sentiment.

The problem isn't Americans or income inequality, it's the system which induces extreme representatives who don't fully represent their constituents.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:14 pm I just feel the world is more stupid than it used to be. I blame that on pollution. Somehow.

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:37 pm I don't care what they tell a pollster. The only statistic I need is that the lying piece of shit in the White House enjoys an 80+ percent popularity rating among Republicans.

em2nought wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:50 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:37 pm I don't care what they tell a pollster. The only statistic I need is that the lying piece of shit in the White House enjoys an 80+ percent popularity rating among Republicans.

Everybody else in the race is a career politician and "lying" is one of your main objections with the other guy? ROTFLMFAO

The 67-year-old Sestak is a latecomer in an already-crowded Democratic field — his entry brings the number of candidates to 24 — but said his decision to delay his announcement was because of the return of his daughter’s brain cancer.

Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:51 pm And, because 23 candidates wasn't enough, a 24th Democrat has thrown his hat in the ring: Joe Sestak is in! Former congressman, almost-senator, retired admiral -- no slouch.

The 67-year-old Sestak is a latecomer in an already-crowded Democratic field — his entry brings the number of candidates to 24 — but said his decision to delay his announcement was because of the return of his daughter’s brain cancer.

Well, that sucks. She doesn't look to be much over 15 years old. One hopes she's recovering.

Max Peck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:04 am No, that's when we start calling them death camps instead of concentration camps.

I think by the strict definition of death camps that these places now qualify.

Using historically invalid analogies gives those responsible for these outrages a chance to wriggle out from the avalanche of justified attacks on their policies. It gives them the opportunity to shift the conversation to the appropriateness of the comparison, and the precision of the parallel.

They don’t deserve it.

Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:51 pm And, because 23 candidates wasn't enough, a 24th Democrat has thrown his hat in the ring: Joe Sestak is in! Former congressman, almost-senator, retired admiral -- no slouch.

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:19 am Call them internment camps, like the one's we operated in WW2 for Japanese Americans.

Defiant wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:17 amLeave the Holocaust comparisons for things like Rwanda, Darfur, etc.

em2nought wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:50 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:37 pm I don't care what they tell a pollster. The only statistic I need is that the lying piece of shit in the White House enjoys an 80+ percent popularity rating among Republicans.

Everybody else in the race is a career politician and "lying" is one of your main objections with the other guy? ROTFLMFAO

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:22 am

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:19 am Call them internment camps, like the one's we operated in WW2 for Japanese Americans.

The wartime internment camps were a shameful episode in American history, but they did allow communities to develop--in large part because families were kept together and given somewhat decent housing.

Trump's camps are cruel by design. It's a whole different level of malignity.

em2nought wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:04 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:22 am

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:19 am Call them internment camps, like the one's we operated in WW2 for Japanese Americans.

The wartime internment camps were a shameful episode in American history, but they did allow communities to develop--in large part because families were kept together and given somewhat decent housing.

Trump's camps are cruel by design. It's a whole different level of malignity.

So these are "Trump's" camps? Camps such as this didn't exist during the Obama era? The pictures being shown of the camps aren't stock photos from Obama's camps in 2014?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upsh ... ation.html

Obama's Camp

em2nought wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:04 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:22 am

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:19 am Call them internment camps, like the one's we operated in WW2 for Japanese Americans.

The wartime internment camps were a shameful episode in American history, but they did allow communities to develop--in large part because families were kept together and given somewhat decent housing.

Trump's camps are cruel by design. It's a whole different level of malignity.

So these are "Trump's" camps? Camps such as this didn't exist during the Obama era? The pictures being shown of the camps aren't stock photos from Obama's camps in 2014?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upsh ... ation.html

Obama's Camp

LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:09 pm

em2nought wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:04 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:22 am

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:19 am Call them internment camps, like the one's we operated in WW2 for Japanese Americans.

The wartime internment camps were a shameful episode in American history, but they did allow communities to develop--in large part because families were kept together and given somewhat decent housing.

Trump's camps are cruel by design. It's a whole different level of malignity.

So these are "Trump's" camps? Camps such as this didn't exist during the Obama era? The pictures being shown of the camps aren't stock photos from Obama's camps in 2014?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upsh ... ation.html

Obama's Camp

In what reality is it OK because bad shit happened under Obama's watch? I can point to plenty of bad things that happened under Obama's watch. None of them excuse The POtuS or the sheep of Putin that voted that still make excuses for him.

Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina has really stepped up to the plate. Thom is tough on Crime, Strong on the Border and fights hard against Illegal Immigration. He loves our Military, our Vets and our great Second Amendment. I give Thom my Full and Total Endorsement!