The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:50 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:26 pmOr shortly before the election Trump announces gathering restrictions related to coronavirus (no groups of 10+ inside buildings, for example), then has his stormtroopers shut down polling places in Democratic leaning areas on that basis.

and suddenly the "pivot" makes sense to me. If he starts pretending to care then his base will eat it up when he cares so much abut the Dem areas of the nation.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:23 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:34 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:26 pm
Default wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:21 pm
Octavious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:55 am Honestly I'm really really worried about these fed troop deployments. It will be a great way to scare people from voting if there's a bunch of armed feds throwing people in vans. I'm 100% sure that's where he's going with this. By November all the major dem cities will have troops. This is terrifying.
Oh, hell no, that's not going to stop anybody. You are just going to piss people off, and they will show up.
Pulling people out of voting lines and throwing them into vans would be a disaster for Trump - that wouldn't work well, and probably wouldn't deter people (might make them more determined).

But instigating conflicts / violence near polling places could work. Or shortly before the election Trump announces gathering restrictions related to coronavirus (no groups of 10+ inside buildings, for example), then has his stormtroopers shut down polling places in Democratic leaning areas on that basis.
The purpose of trump's invasions is to grow and radicalize the opposition -- to turn peaceful protests into riots. If they're successful, the major Dem cities will be in flames and under martial law (declared or not).

A dozen or more cops went to the hospital as a result of our recent Colombus statue mess. One had his eye blown out by a thrown explosive.

I think the feds saw that and couldn't wait to get in here to provoke a reaction. Well see. It they post up on the South and West sides, we'll know they're actually trying to stop shootings. If they go downtown we'll know they're here to protect 1% property and/or to provoke a reaction that leads to more fed action.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:49 pm

Chad Wolf likely not serving legally as head of DHS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... Qj_uXoFN1I

In other words, the man running this controversial effort has not been signed off on for his current role (Wolf was confirmed to be an undersecretary at DHS). The lack of confirmation for his current position is a problem for two reasons.

One is that the Federal Vacancies Reform Act only allows acting officials to serve for 210 days after a vacancy is declared or a new permanent head is nominated and rejected. Wolf has served 251 days. Because a new nomination hasn’t been announced, much less rejected, the clock has never reset.

If only there was a way to enforce existing laws.

UsulofDoom · Post by **UsulofDoom** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:18 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:34 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:26 pm
Default wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:21 pm
Octavious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:55 am Honestly I'm really really worried about these fed troop deployments. It will be a great way to scare people from voting if there's a bunch of armed feds throwing people in vans. I'm 100% sure that's where he's going with this. By November all the major dem cities will have troops. This is terrifying.
Oh, hell no, that's not going to stop anybody. You are just going to piss people off, and they will show up.
Pulling people out of voting lines and throwing them into vans would be a disaster for Trump - that wouldn't work well, and probably wouldn't deter people (might make them more determined).

But instigating conflicts / violence near polling places could work. Or shortly before the election Trump announces gathering restrictions related to coronavirus (no groups of 10+ inside buildings, for example), then has his stormtroopers shut down polling places in Democratic leaning areas on that basis.
The purpose of trump's invasions is to grow and radicalize the opposition -- to turn peaceful protests into riots. If they're successful, the major Dem cities will be in flames and under martial law (declared or not).

Where are the Portland police? How come they are not between the Feds and rioters? Did they all quit?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:47 pm

UsulofDoom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:18 pm Where are the Portland police? How come they are not between the Feds and rioters? Did they all quit?

What, and stop beating protesters themselves?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:48 pm

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:56 pm

He sounds tired.

"Today, I'm announcing a surge of federal law enforcement into American communities plagued by violent crime. We'll work every single day to restore public safety, protect our nation's children, and bring violent perpetrators to justice."

Looking forward to the Lincoln Project splicing this audio over troops gassing those moms in Portland.

Also, hey, the President is announcing that he's authorizing federal agents into various cities around the United states to "fight crime". We have to be int he final act of this movie, right?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:05 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:56 pm
"Today, I'm announcing a surge of federal law enforcement into American communities plagued by violent crime. We'll work every single day to restore public safety, protect our nation's children, and bring violent perpetrators to justice."

He added you'll recognize them by their lack of identification and presence in unmarked vans, which will be used to detain violent anarchists like the man with the electronic spy device who had the nerve to fall down when moved by baton and exaggerate some sort of head trauma in front of New York's finest.

We will coordinate with the very fine freedom loving protectors of the 2nd Amendment against violent anarchists ANTIFA terrorists.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:06 pm

That's just his teleprompter delivery. Low energy, no enthusiasm.

Default · Post by **Default** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:51 pm

Our hometown DA is promising to throw their asses in jail. Which, considering how outnumbered they are, is quite likely to make them behave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... QDbbGkYkKc

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:46 pm

File this under - not great but maybe just lying

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 pm

I’m sure he’s just lying to appease the Orange God.

That said, the LAW AND ORDER crowd seems to be conveniently skipping over the part that involves rights and due processes required by...wait for it...the law.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:42 pm

If Barr isn’t brought up on charges, or at least disbarred, after trump is gone, then there is no justice in this world.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:52 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:46 pm File this under - not great but maybe just lying

That’s a nice round number that Trump’s childlike brain can understand.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:54 pm

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 pm

What are those effing Illuminati paintings behind him?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:32 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 pm What are those effing Illuminati paintings behind him?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:12 pm

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:14 pm

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:31 am

This is surreal.

As is the fact that Trump somehow thinks shit like this is going to gain him support.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 am

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:31 am This is surreal.

As is the fact that Trump somehow thinks shit like this is going to gain him support.

I don’t think it’s crazy to think that stuff like that will gain him support from some sectors. As much as it’s totally not the case, short videos like that make it look like Portland is a chaotic war zone. There are a lot of people who don’t like chaos and are easily scared by it. Those types may very well eat up Trump’s “I Am the Law” schtick, Constitution be damned.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:42 am

Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 amThere are a lot of people who don’t like chaos and are easily scared by it.

Very few of whom actually live in Portland. Apparently the human condition is that freedom applies to ME. If federal shock troops showed up to impose order in my backyard, I have to use all of my guns to fight them. But federal shock troops showing up to someone else's backyard, 2000 miles away - well, that's also freedom. I guess.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:44 am

At the very end of that clip, did anyone else see the green ‘lightning like’ arcs of energy that played around in the air?

Almost like a green laser, but not?
Edit: ok it was a laser playing in the layers of tear gas...
“nevermind”

The Portland Moms are an important counter to that ‘chaos’ image that Trump needs to create.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:58 am

It looked to me like someone directed a laser at the federal thug's eyes. It first appears on his abdomen then moves up to his face.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:59 am

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:42 am
Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 amThere are a lot of people who don’t like chaos and are easily scared by it.
Very few of whom actually live in Portland. Apparently the human condition is that freedom applies to ME. If federal shock troops showed up to impose order in my backyard, I have to use all of my guns to fight them. But federal shock troops showing up to someone else's backyard, 2000 miles away - well, that's also freedom. I guess.

That's because their "freedom" is a threat my freedom. Their freedom is actually socialism. It's violent anarchy. You don't understand because you are part of the great socialist lie being told by the media.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:52 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:58 am It looked to me like someone directed a laser at the federal thug's eyes. It first appears on his abdomen then moves up to his face.

It's not an uncommon tactic used by the more radical...protestors(?).

They try to blind the cops.

Not defending the federal stormtroopers but it's incredibly bad optics (no pun intended). Instantly cede a significant portion of the moral high ground.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:05 am

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:42 am
Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 amThere are a lot of people who don’t like chaos and are easily scared by it.
Very few of whom actually live in Portland. Apparently the human condition is that freedom applies to ME. If federal shock troops showed up to impose order in my backyard, I have to use all of my guns to fight them. But federal shock troops showing up to someone else's backyard, 2000 miles away - well, that's also freedom. I guess.

Also while I was worried about whether this "law and order" stuff could help Trump politically, I'm less worried about that now. Part of it is that because Trump has basically explicitly called for police / military to go around beating people up, and because he's the current president (the incumbent), I think everyone outside of the Fox News bubble is more likely to see Trump as part of the problem than as part of the solution.

We'll see, but overall at this point I am way more worried about Trump using stormtroopers to fuck with the election than I am about the stormtroopers helping him politically with the election.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:09 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:05 am We'll see, but overall at this point I am way more worried about Trump using stormtroopers to fuck with the election than I am about the stormtroopers helping him politically with the election.

Maybe it's not a bad idea to buy a green laser.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:29 am

Is Trump really trying to lock in the Epstein was murdered vote? [/s] Also, LAW AND ORDER!

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:32 am

In a courtroom. Right. Sure. I'm confident that is exactly where Drumpf wants "justice" to play out.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:39 am

malchior wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:29 am Is Trump really trying to lock in the Epstein was murdered vote? [/s] Also, LAW AND ORDER!

Spinning like that gets kids hurled off the merry-go-round and into the next county over.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:50 am

Trump has a well-established habit of Tweeting support to perps he doesn't want to roll on him.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:27 am

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:42 am
Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 amThere are a lot of people who don’t like chaos and are easily scared by it.
Very few of whom actually live in Portland. Apparently the human condition is that freedom applies to ME. If federal shock troops showed up to impose order in my backyard, I have to use all of my guns to fight them. But federal shock troops showing up to someone else's backyard, 2000 miles away - well, that's also freedom. I guess.

Somehow, I don't imagine they see the irony there.

In related news, Portland just banned the real police from working with the federal troops: Portland bans police from working with federal law enforcement, targeting journalists and legal observers during protests.

I just signed up for the ACLU's "Legal Observer" training. Apparently, it's full right now, so I'm stuck on the wait list.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:59 am

Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:27 amI just signed up for the ACLU's "Legal Observer" training. Apparently, it's full right now, so I'm stuck on the wait list.

That sounds like it should be streamlined down to a couple of videos and an online quiz - so it can be made available to the masses quickly.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:04 pm

And then the Feds tear gassed the Mayor in the middle of his speech. A mix of outrageous and karma for the Mayor who supported Portland police using tear gas on the protesters in the past.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:06 pm

Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:59 am
Kurth wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:27 amI just signed up for the ACLU's "Legal Observer" training. Apparently, it's full right now, so I'm stuck on the wait list.
That sounds like it should be streamlined down to a couple of videos and an online quiz - so it can be made available to the masses quickly.

Agreed, and based on the email I just got back from the ACLU in response, it looks like that's what they're planning to do:

Thank you for applying to be an ACLU of Oregon Legal Observer. We will be in touch with information about how to attend our next virtual training.

If you have any questions, please contact us at info@aclu-or.org.

Fretmute · Post by **Fretmute** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:08 pm

2020, ladies and gentlemen:

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:16 pm

In summary: The feds are here, but they've promised not to shoot to kill. Not yet at least.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:16 pm

Fretmute wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:08 pm 2020, ladies and gentlemen:

You missed the first tweet in the string.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:19 pm

Tomorrow, tomorrow
I'll shoot you tomorrow
It's only a day away