The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:36 pm

Bits are coming out tonight from Michael Cohen’s upcoming book.

Stuff like this:

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:48 pm

That's some comic book villain shit right there.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:18 am

Another 9/11-style attack may be just around the corner if Joe Biden is elected president, warns Noor bin Ladin, the niece of Sept. 11 terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.

Bin Ladin (whose branch of the family has always spelled their name differently than her infamous uncle) lives in Switzerland but said she considers herself “an American at heart.” A full size US flag hung in her childhood room at age 12 and her dream vacation is an RV trip across America.

...

“I have been a supporter of President Trump since he announced he was running in the early days in 2015. I have watched from afar and I admire this man’s resolve,” she said. “He must be reelected … It’s vital for the future of not only America, but western civilization as a whole.”

Noor, who said she regularly wears a “Make America Great Again” hat (and occasionally a Trump bedtime onesie), has had to confront many Trump-haters on her side of the Atlantic. During a recent trip to the grocery store while wearing the iconic red cap, Noor was accosted.

“I am minding my own business and this woman in her late 50s charges toward me and starts speaking very loudly and aggressively to me,” she recalled. “She’s yelling at me and saying how can I be wearing this and Trump is the worst president ever and she’s basically dumping on my beloved president … She told me three times, ‘You’re stupid.’ I kept my cool, and needless to say I kept my hat!”

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:30 am

I find it hilarious that their key takeaway is "Bin Laden niece warns of imminent attack if Biden is elected" and not "Bin Laden's niece is a yuuuuuuge MAGA Trumper and supports everything he does".

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:38 am

We should hear what she has to say. The Bin Ladens have always been a clear-headed and reasonable bunch.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:16 am

If I won't listen to the advice of someone who wears a Trump onesie, who will I listen to?!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:29 pm

What in the seven hells is ‘ritualistic’ belittling? Or do I even want to know?

What a weird way to phrase that.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:What in the seven hells is ‘ritualistic’ belittling? Or do I even want to know?

What a weird way to phrase that.

"Ritualistic belittling" is just another working day at the White House.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:21 pm

And now this...

Trump accuses his generals of steering wars to boost defense contractor profits.

President Donald Trump launched an unprecedented public attack against the leadership of the US military on Monday, accusing them of waging wars to boost the profits of defense manufacturing companies.

"I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy," Trump told reporters at a White House news conference.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:41 am

I've been out for a week and working to get current on all the treads. I wanted to drop a video I saw over my vacation here.

Trumpism. It's simply about "getting back" at everyone. There's no higher calling, no greater message. It's just slapping the people you hate as hard as you can and laughing. This is why any decent person should be walking away from the Republican party line right now.

I'm not saying there's no place for what Republicans say they stand for, but the party right now isn't about upholding any sort of values. It's just about kicking anyone they don't like as hard as possible, even if it means breaking their own toes doing it.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:12 am

I read an article today that said the BLM movement is helping Trump because Trump is touting law and order and there is a lot of violence at the rallies. And that the BLM movement is getting lost because of it.
Most people are scared or uneasy because of the violence and may vote Trump's way.
I think the article has a point.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:38 am

No data seem to suggest that that is the case. In fact, numerous recent polls have shown Biden outperforming Trump by a pretty wide margin on questions of "law and order".

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:06 am

The article disagreed with you. Of course I don't know it's sources and it was kind of an opinion piece.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:20 am

His law and order bs is not working on anyone except his already solid base. Vote for me and the stuff that's happening under me will stop happening!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:24 am

Biden's poll numbers have been at a national level relatively firm throughout the summer. If there was some protest fatigue it probably should have shown up by now. Even in states with considerable issues such as MN and WI the stream of state level polling doesn't indicate any real effect.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:33 am

538: Trump’s Law And Order Message Isn’t Resonating With Most Americans.

tl;dr:

We can’t know what other events will unfold between now and November, but we can say that the violence in the wake of Blake’s shooting has seemed to affect public sentiment. That effect isn’t huge, however, and the public hasn’t used that violence to impugn the protests against police violence and systemic racism as a whole. Moreover, more Americans support Biden’s approach to these issues than Trump’s.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:37 am

There's also the fact that there IS no violence coming from protests in 99.9% of America. Trump's talk of cities in flames and all this garbage is complete bullshit, and most people know it because they're not seeing it.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:38 am

Well, 93%

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:39 pm

The best Justice Department money can buy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... Fstory-ans

The Justice Department on Tuesday intervened in the defamation lawsuit brought by a woman who says President Trump raped her years ago, moving the matter to federal court and signaling it wants to make the U.S. government — rather than Trump himself — the defendant in the case.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:42 pm

Barr with another "interesting" decision. My questions is will the next administration have an issue disentangling DOJ at that point?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:45 pm

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:47 pm

If Barr has a career in law in any capacity after Trump, it will be a travesty. He should be held up as the very model of corruption.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:04 pm

There is noise that they might be doing this to invoke qualified immunity for Trump. Absolutely disgusting if true.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:11 pm

I volunteer my tax dollars for the Trump-spunk DNA test.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:15 pm

I understand nothing matters with this DoJ, but how do they justify defending Trump for something that happened many years before he became president?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:26 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:15 pm I understand nothing matters with this DoJ, but how do they justify defending Trump for something that happened many years before he became president?

The suit is a defamation suit, with the alleged defamation taking place while he was president.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:30 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:15 pm I understand nothing matters with this DoJ, but how do they justify defending Trump for something that happened many years before he became president?
The suit is a defamation suit, with the alleged defamation taking place while he was president.

Yeah but it has little to do with official actions. This was personal conduct.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:31 am

malchior wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:30 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:15 pm I understand nothing matters with this DoJ, but how do they justify defending Trump for something that happened many years before he became president?
The suit is a defamation suit, with the alleged defamation taking place while he was president.
Yeah but it has little to do with official actions. This was personal conduct.

Yeah but it wasn't years before he was president.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:32 am

Barr must have a reason for doing this. What impact is it likely to have? Can the DOJ lawyers do things Trump's personal lawyers couldn't? I guess if the government is the defendant, you can't really demand a DNA sample.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:25 am

malchior wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:04 pm There is noise that they might be doing this to invoke qualified immunity for Trump. Absolutely disgusting if true.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:13 am

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:47 pm If Barr has a career in law in any capacity after Trump, it will be a travesty. He should be held up as the very model of corruption.

If he doesn't get swirled up in some great cleansing that burns his career he'll likely end up being on the list of defense options for every corrupt politician and red-handed executive for the next 20 years.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:54 am

This tweet is a pretty good summary of why:

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:08 am

Yeah I read a couple of his other posts on this topic - the argument against might end up being that he is not an "employee". That is why I've seen others think it might be a Nixon v Ferguson play saying he has absolute immunity from civil liability taken for actions taken as part of their official duties. And talking to the press is a duty of the President.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:03 am

I almost shit myself this morning when I saw that Trump had been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, but then I read further and saw that this isn't exactly a high bar that requires a strict committee agreement or anything. It's just one right-wing parliament person out of Norway doing this.

Christian Tybring-Gjedde went on to add:

The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts — not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump

I can agree with that. I think it's possible that Obama did less than Trump did in his 8 years, since he left the country in relatively good shape and Trump fixed all of that nonsense with some gasoline and a match - and continues to fan the flames of his dumpster fires by creating what might be arguably the largest division of US citizens since the South's outrage over being forced to accept civil rights for minorities.

It reminds me of the scene from Olivander's in Harry Potter. He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things — terrible, yes, but great.

Absolutely worth a Nobel Peace Prize, as long as they're willing to overlook every other aspect of his character and demean the award for all future recipients.

It kind of makes me sick to think of Trump strutting around like a peacock today, stroking his own ego so hard it may soon be seen from space with the unaided naked eye.

Yojimbo · Post by **Yojimbo** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:54 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:03 am It kind of makes me sick to think of Trump strutting around like a peacock today, stroking his own ego so hard it may soon be seen from space with the unaided naked eye.

If he wins, will he mount the medal on a big swath of bunting and wear it around full time? What poor soul on in the whitehouse staff will have to track him down in order to clean the thing?

Even my fevered brain could not have predicted this turn of events. Get ready for the crowing from the orange rooster.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:00 am

Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:54 am Even my fevered brain could not have predicted this turn of events. Get ready for the crowing from the orange rooster.

Why wait? He started long ago.

Also...

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:22 am

pr0ner wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:54 am This tweet is a pretty good summary of why:

This is the only real reason I can see why the DoJ move would make sense. DoJ doing this has already dramatically elevated public awareness of the rape allegations against Trump, so otherwise I don't see enough of an advantage to Trump to offset that.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:34 am

Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:54 am
Paingod wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:03 am It kind of makes me sick to think of Trump strutting around like a peacock today, stroking his own ego so hard it may soon be seen from space with the unaided naked eye.
If he wins, will he mount the medal on a big swath of bunting and wear it around full time? What poor soul on in the whitehouse staff will have to track him down in order to clean the thing?

Don't worry about it. There is a 0% chance he wins it.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:41 am

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:34 am
Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:54 am
Paingod wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:03 am It kind of makes me sick to think of Trump strutting around like a peacock today, stroking his own ego so hard it may soon be seen from space with the unaided naked eye.
If he wins, will he mount the medal on a big swath of bunting and wear it around full time? What poor soul on in the whitehouse staff will have to track him down in order to clean the thing?
Don't worry about it. There is a 0% chance he wins it.

I refuse to accept the odds on anything in 2020. This is the year that nightmares have nightmares about.

Yojimbo · Post by **Yojimbo** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:51 am

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:34 am
Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:54 am
Paingod wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:03 am It kind of makes me sick to think of Trump strutting around like a peacock today, stroking his own ego so hard it may soon be seen from space with the unaided naked eye.
If he wins, will he mount the medal on a big swath of bunting and wear it around full time? What poor soul on in the whitehouse staff will have to track him down in order to clean the thing?
Don't worry about it. There is a 0% chance he wins it.

You are right.

I have close friends in Bergen, and I was AMAZED that was even nominated - my friends are not amused by our POTUS.