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Holman wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:19 pm Is Woodward that good, or is Trump simply that stupid, gullible, and responsive to flattery?
A pinch of the first and a large scoop of the second, I would think. Apparently one of his biggest beefs with Woodward's previous book is that he didn't interview Trump himself. So Trump made sure not to make that same mistake again for Woodward's next book. :doh:
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I feel like Woodward could walk into the WH tomorrow and say "THIS time, Sir, I want to write only about your foreign policy genius," and within fifteen minutes Trump would brag about giving Kim our nuclear launch codes.
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Holman wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:50 pm I feel like Woodward could walk into the WH tomorrow and say "THIS time, Sir, I want to write only about your foreign policy genius," and within fifteen minutes Trump would brag about giving Kim our nuclear launch codes.
And if Trump was balking a little his idiot son-in-law would talk him into doing it anyway.
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I had my first Trump resigned dream last night, sure hope I am clairvoyant! :D
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If you go back and look at the 2016 race. It was a lot closer than I remembered or realized. So far this looks WAY better. Assuming they don't get away with massive fraud. Which I mean at this point would anyone be surprised?
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Octavious wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm If you go back and look at the 2016 race. It was a lot closer than I remembered or realized. So far this looks WAY better. Assuming they don't get away with massive fraud. Which I mean at this point would anyone be surprised?
By the highly polarized standards of the 21st century, Biden looks like he's running away with it.

2016 was a very bouncy year, with Clinton opening and then totally losing wide margins more than once. Obama and Romney were seldom more than three points apart in 2012, and sometimes Romney was leading. We remember Obama 2008 as a strong campaign that blew McCain away, but it was also very bouncy until late September, and McCain led several times.

This year Trump has never led Biden nationally, and the 5-8 point spread has been very consistent, almost like parallel lines.
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Yeah. Sure, Trump COULD pull of a miracle, but if I were a Republican consultant, I'd be drinking myself to sleep every night. It's SUPER ugly out there, and not just for Trump. Anyone with an R after their name is polling well below where they would historically expect to.
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trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable. Biden's job is to keep trump's 50-52% disapproval from wavering...which trump seems fully capable of doing all by himself.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable. Biden's job is to keep trump's 50-52% disapproval from wavering...which trump seems fully capable of doing all by himself.
Keep in mind the "grab 'em by the pussy" soundbite came just a month before the election. Everyone thought he was DOA as a candidate at that point.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
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Jeff V wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:47 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable. Biden's job is to keep trump's 50-52% disapproval from wavering...which trump seems fully capable of doing all by himself.
Keep in mind the "grab 'em by the pussy" soundbite came just a month before the election. Everyone thought he was DOA as a candidate at that point.
And he would have been if the Comey letter and the "OMG Hillary's New Emails!" headlines hadn't erupted the week before the election.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
Seriously is frightening, and you are not exaggerating.
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Unagi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:48 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
Seriously is frightening, and you are not exaggerating.
70% of that 42% think that 3% defeated the British. They are ready to do the same against the socialist Democrats if they lose.
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Unagi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:48 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
Seriously is frightening, and you are not exaggerating.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:39 pm
Unagi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:48 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
Seriously is frightening, and you are not exaggerating.
Their next Svengali will be neither insane nor incompetent.

i believe this is worth always keeping in mind.

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hitbyambulance wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:39 pm
Unagi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:48 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm trump's 40-42% approval is unshakable.
Which given the current state of things, it's genuinely frightening. We have a real problem in America; we're living among legitimate sociopaths.
Seriously is frightening, and you are not exaggerating.
Their next Svengali will be neither insane nor incompetent.

i believe this is worth always keeping in mind.

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As always, this shit bird doesn’t understand what he can and can’t do. He can’t forgive the payroll tax, because that requires Congressional approval, and I cannot see any scenario where the GOP retakes the House.
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RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:48 pmAs always, this shit bird doesn’t understand what he can and can’t do. He can’t forgive the payroll tax, because that requires Congressional approval, and I cannot see any scenario where the GOP retakes the House.
Yeah, but he said he can, so he can - and that's all that matters to the voters. Have you not been paying attention these last 4 years? :D
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Truthfully I'm glad I'm still paying payroll taxes so I don't have to worry about this next year, but what a clusterfuck.
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malchior wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:38 pmWas there a question after Sandy Hook? We decided children were less important than even minor adjustments to our society.
That was probably the yellow flag that should have alerted us we were drifting in the wrong direction. Not that I can understand it, but because it was so small and in the NE, I'm guessing it could have been chalked up to a lack of Jesus or something.

But this pandemic? I genuinely don't understand double-digit support for the President at this point. 40%+ or more? It's unfathomable and it's making me question the people I live among and around - communities I've worked in, people I've worked with. I am completely unclear how anyone could look around right now and think, "Yeah, I guess Trump is doing ok."
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pr0ner wrote:Truthfully I'm glad I'm still paying payroll taxes so I don't have to worry about this next year, but what a clusterfuck.
The military got no such luck. And you know those guys are always on top of their financial decisions.
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pr0ner wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:19 pm Truthfully I'm glad I'm still paying payroll taxes so I don't have to worry about this next year, but what a clusterfuck.
Same here. My employer just announced they were declining to take part. This is partly what makes the effort so stupid. The people earning a steady check are the people who don't really need it.
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RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:48 pm
pr0ner wrote:
As always, this shit bird doesn’t understand what he can and can’t do. He can’t forgive the payroll tax, because that requires Congressional approval, and I cannot see any scenario where the GOP retakes the House.
I'd be surprised if that would even make it through the current Senate.
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Any employer who participates in the payroll deduction is insane. If an employee terminates employment and they still owe unpaid SS taxes the employer is on the hook. Worse then that amount become taxable income for the employee. It is such a shit show.

Also just saw this - why are we still a nation? What is this about students? I guess they mean college? Or is this some hunger games shit? Who knows anymore but this is crazy. The entire west coast is on fire and the President can't take a phone call because blue state? WTF?

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I'm not sure he understands where the money for the General Fund comes from.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:32 pm
pr0ner wrote:Truthfully I'm glad I'm still paying payroll taxes so I don't have to worry about this next year, but what a clusterfuck.
The military got no such luck. And you know those guys are always on top of their financial decisions.
I mean, I do work for the federal government, and everyone who makes over the $104,000 maximum set by the order still pays payroll taxes. That's the case for those in the military making over that amount too.
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malchior wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:51 pm Any employer who participates in the payroll deduction is insane. If an employee terminates employment and they still owe unpaid SS taxes the employer is on the hook. Worse then that amount become taxable income for the employee. It is such a shit show.
That's not what I've read - the employee is on the hook, not the employer, at least when it comes to the military. I don't see why that wouldn't be the case elsewhere.

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pr0ner wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:22 am
malchior wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:51 pm Any employer who participates in the payroll deduction is insane. If an employee terminates employment and they still owe unpaid SS taxes the employer is on the hook. Worse then that amount become taxable income for the employee. It is such a shit show.
That's not what I've read - the employee is on the hook, not the employer.
It is the hazy nature of the EO. You can say the employee is technically on the hook but the employer is responsible for paying it to the IRS or face penalties potentially. The guidance hand waves away this problem by saying they 'may make arrangements to otherwise collect" it. That's a lot of risk. They could twist themselves in pretzels to do it but the best, easiest thing is to say...nope. It requires no change.
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Smoove_B wrote:But this pandemic? I genuinely don't understand double-digit support for the President at this point. 40%+ or more?
I read it more as 40%+ of the public would approve of a paper bag full of flaming dog turds, as long as there was an (R) beside it. The actual person doesn't matter. It's pure tribalism.
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I can see a lot of people approving of him. It's been awhile since a president validated straight up racism. He encourages them to let loose the darkest parts of their id. He is the head cheerleader for people who want to think "Me first, others only if they can help me". It must be a breath of fresh air for the selfish and broken out there.
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gbasden wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:43 am I can see a lot of people approving of him. It's been awhile since a president validated straight up racism. He encourages them to let loose the darkest parts of their id. He is the head cheerleader for people who want to think "Me first, others only if they can help me". It must be a breath of fresh air for the selfish and broken out there.
Plus lots of people are racist without even knowing it. The GOP has seduced these with two generations of rejection of "handouts" and "government giveaways."

Such voters just think they're being fair, not racist, and they never quite notice that the policy always hurts particular groups more than others.
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Plus lots of people are racist without even knowing it. The GOP has seduced these with two generations of rejection of "handouts" and "government giveaways."

Such voters just think they're being fair, not racist, and they never quite notice that the policy always hurts particular groups more than others.
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YellowKing wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:35 am
Smoove_B wrote:But this pandemic? I genuinely don't understand double-digit support for the President at this point. 40%+ or more?
I read it more as 40%+ of the public would approve of a paper bag full of flaming dog turds, as long as there was an (R) beside it. The actual person doesn't matter. It's pure tribalism.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:38 pmWas there a question after Sandy Hook? We decided children were less important than even minor adjustments to our society.
That was probably the yellow flag that should have alerted us we were drifting in the wrong direction. Not that I can understand it, but because it was so small and in the NE, I'm guessing it could have been chalked up to a lack of Jesus or something.
So...small?? Wow. For me at least, it was the watershed moment that made me realize that we, as a country, are NOT great if something that horrific happens and we do essentially nothing about it. That inaction defined us more as a country I think than anything in recent past that I can think of, including the pandemic response.
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Triple threat!

As for the Woodward interviews, one thing I have not seen mentioned is that he is so confident (and so far he's been right about that) that he can't be touched (see: Times Square comment), that he was not concerned it could "hurt" him in any way. If you actually think you could commit a serious/violent crime and get away with it, the stuff in the book he confessed to is nothing. God Complex, delusions of grandeur, whatever it's called, he seems to believe he is invincible, so how in the world could weenie Woodward do ANYthing to the likes of him?
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I think we're all guilty of constantly trying understand the reasoning behind an irrational, mentally ill person. We can't do so, because we can only think rationally. To truly understand his motivations, we'd have to be as narcissistic as he is.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:53 amSo...small?? Wow. For me at least, it was the watershed moment that made me realize that we, as a country, are NOT great if something that horrific happens and we do essentially nothing about it. That inaction defined us more as a country I think than anything in recent past that I can think of, including the pandemic response.
I don't think it was small. I'm just saying in terms of scale (~3000 dead on 9/11, 200K for COVID-19), it was a blip. The actual fact that it was mostly children is what makes it horrible, and yes the fact that we didn't change as a nation because of it is puzzling.

I'm not sure it compares to the pandemic in terms of inaction. Here Trump and the GOP are actively working against everyone. After Sandy Hook, there were elected officials that tried to get legislation passed and open a discussion, but the GOP and 2A cultists were stopped it. Hmm...I'm seeing a pattern here. I need to think on this.
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YellowKing wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:27 pm I think we're all guilty of constantly trying understand the reasoning behind an irrational, mentally ill person. We can't do so, because we can only think rationally. To truly understand his motivations, we'd have to be as narcissistic as he is.
Very good point. Even after literally years of closely covering this guy, you STILL see the same journalists or media "people" respond with the same shock, over and over. I have long ceased to be shocked or outraged by anything he does. I think he is mentally ill. But what I can't and don't forgive or digest as well, if you will, are the hordes that support his particularly nasty brand of madness, specifically the so-called Republicans.

Side note, but related: My mother is a hoarder. Her house(s) (yes, plural) could easily put many of the situations you see on the show "Hoarders" to shame, and I am not exaggerating. My sister and I accepted the fact and results of her illness long ago, but my brother can't (or has chosen not to). He's still very much stuck in the wonderment stage (and she has had this problem for decades). Every time we talk about her, he literally uses the phrase "I just don't understand how..." or "How can someone..." over and over. For years. It's maddening, as I have told him directly "YOU CAN'T, DUM-DUM! STOP TRYING". He's so focused on the incredulity of the situation, it gets in the way of our having a meaningful discussion on how to respond and deal.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:15 pm God Complex, delusions of grandeur, whatever it's called,
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