The Former Trump Presidency Thread
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So maybe we can just agree that the decision was done in a way that actually maximized the controversy rather than minimized it as should have been done?
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Yeah, it was done without sufficient careful planning and awareness of what that would entail.
Edit: There was an article from during the 2016 election I was trying to find, written by a diplomat outlining what steps should be taken to try to make such a move as smooth as possible if the next administration was going to do it, and it was clear when the announcement first happened that the administration didn't do some of those steps (like do the behind the scenes work to try to try to get allies on board before announcing it, making sure the announcement was carefully worded, etc).
Edit: There was an article from during the 2016 election I was trying to find, written by a diplomat outlining what steps should be taken to try to make such a move as smooth as possible if the next administration was going to do it, and it was clear when the announcement first happened that the administration didn't do some of those steps (like do the behind the scenes work to try to try to get allies on board before announcing it, making sure the announcement was carefully worded, etc).
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I'm sure they knew exactly what to expect. They just don't care about dead Palestinians.
That they've cast the whole thing as fan-service for the Christian Right makes it all the more disgusting.
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"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity", something of which this administration has shown in abundance.
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You have to go back to Andrew Johnson or James Polk for an administration with more outright malice than this one.
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I don't know about that, but it maximized Trump Brand photo Ops at the cost of minimizing a sniper slaughter of "rioters". And maximizing the Trump Brand on a day of disgust is the current signature move the Trump/the Adminstration/The GOP/supporters of the former, which means the United States (ie you and me) for the last year and half. This just raises the bar from disgust and wondering how things will untangle later to... you know... snipers slaughtering people.Remus West wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:27 pm So maybe we can just agree that the decision was done in a way that actually maximized the controversy rather than minimized it as should have been done?
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It also served to get Ivanka out in the public eye again. They're really trying to get a political dynasty going.
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Yeah, how it was done was stupid (befitting this administration). It should have been a relatively quiet affair (as much as one can make it), and just have the lead U.S. ambassador and other diplomatic functionaries there and talking, and focus the message on "this is Israel's capital, West Jerusalem is not at dispute, we're just treating Israel like any other country (where we have agreements and disagreements), we're still committed to the peace process and a two-state solution, etc. etc." Having Ivanka and Jared and Steve f'in Mnuchin there is both stupid and also bad for Israel, among other things.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:27 pmI don't know about that, but it maximized Trump Brand photo Ops at the cost of minimizing a sniper slaughter of "rioters". And maximizing the Trump Brand on a day of disgust is the current signature move the Trump/the Adminstration/The GOP/supporters of the former, which means the United States (ie you and me) for the last year and half. This just raises the bar from disgust and wondering how things will untangle later to... you know... snipers slaughtering people.Remus West wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:27 pm So maybe we can just agree that the decision was done in a way that actually maximized the controversy rather than minimized it as should have been done?
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Trump runs off the old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
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Yeah, and everything has to be all about him and how great he is. It's at the core of who he is.
It's also just maddeningly dumb for Netanyahu to tie Israel so closely to Trump. He's basically jeopardizing Israel's long-term relationship with the U.S. for the sake of short-term gain.
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Netanyahu isn't exactly experiencing wide spread adulation at home. He's made a career out of bribery, graft and spending taxpayer cash on himself. I think he's looking at short term gains in light of recent, serious accusations. I'm pretty sure he knows his long con ain't gonna happen.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1IC21WAs the closest Middle East ally of President Donald Trump, Netanyahu has been central to U.S. decisions that have reshaped the political map of the region.
On April 30, he appeared on prime-time television to present Israel’s case that Trump should abandon the 2015 international nuclear deal with Iran.
The president did so barely a week later.
Netanyahu publicly hailed the decision and followed up with air strikes on Iranian military positions in Syria, a country that borders Israel and which Israel fears may increasingly be used as a base by Iran to attack the Jewish state.
A poll on Channel 2 television the day after Trump scrapped the Iran deal showed Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party would gain five seats if elections were held now, winning 35 in the 120-seat parliament and strengthening its position in a ruling coalition. A poll in April had Likud on 28 seats.
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And just like Trump, even his supporters think he's a liar.
The poll, aired on the Israeli commercial television channel Reshet, said 49 percent of respondents sided with the police’s version that Netanyahu had acted improperly. Twenty-five percent said they believed Netanyahu, who denies wrongdoing. The remainder, 26 percent, said they did not know whom to believe.
Forty-eight percent of the public said Netanyahu should quit and 40% said he should not. A separate poll conducted by pollster Camille Fuchs for Channel 10 found that 50% believe Netanyahu should quit or suspend himself, while 42% believe he should continue as normal.
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Be careful conflating his party's to his own success. Yes, his actions may up the popularity of his party temporarily but it isn't making the charges go away. This isn't Trump and the Republicans where if they can just grab a little more leeway they can make us a full on dictatorship. Their system is a little more modern. Doesn't mean it is infallible either but it does have a little more resistance currently than ours.Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:53 pm
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1IC21WAs the closest Middle East ally of President Donald Trump, Netanyahu has been central to U.S. decisions that have reshaped the political map of the region.
On April 30, he appeared on prime-time television to present Israel’s case that Trump should abandon the 2015 international nuclear deal with Iran.
The president did so barely a week later.
Netanyahu publicly hailed the decision and followed up with air strikes on Iranian military positions in Syria, a country that borders Israel and which Israel fears may increasingly be used as a base by Iran to attack the Jewish state.
A poll on Channel 2 television the day after Trump scrapped the Iran deal showed Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party would gain five seats if elections were held now, winning 35 in the 120-seat parliament and strengthening its position in a ruling coalition. A poll in April had Likud on 28 seats.
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At least Trump's name isn't in larger print than everything else on the rest of the plaque. It's quite tasteful, by Trump standards.
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Are presidents' names often or even sometimes on the fronts of embassies? My sense is not, but it's not something I've ever really paid attention to. Similarly, is this something that will be changed / updated with future administrations, or is the idea to keep his name on it forever?
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It will keep his name forever. It’s common on government buildings in the US even down to city buildings, putting the mayor and council members on there.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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I get why they would want to be there, to be sure, but damn that picture of Ivanka and Jared and Mnuchin smiling next to the picture of the Gaza violence is less than great.
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However, because his name is on the building, he probably believes it gives him real estate rights.
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It's quite likely that this is the only reason he moved it. To get his name on there.
All this political handwringing and analysis and he just wanted a shot of ego boost. Or maybe he was being generous. "Please, daddy, Jared would be so thrilled!"
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Unless the embassy is decommissioned at some point, although even then the engraved stones often stay around for a long time.
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Not if it's demolished so they can build a new McDonald's on the site.
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It's impossible not to think those thoughts, even though it would be unthinkable with any other man.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 3:09 pmIt's quite likely that this is the only reason he moved it. To get his name on there.
All this political handwringing and analysis and he just wanted a shot of ego boost. Or maybe he was being generous. "Please, daddy, Jared would be so thrilled!"
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Mike Pence: "From King David's time to our own, President Trump has now etched his name into the ineffaceable story of Jerusalem."
I'm going to barf.
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Tell them what they've won Steve Munchkin!
"From King David's time to our own, President Trump has now etched his name into the ineffaceable story of Jerusalem." and you've won front row seats to the rapture. where you will miss experiencing first hand, opening volleys like 100 sniper nests, selectively killing "specifically violent" hamas being pushed to the forefront of the Gaza strip.
I hate to hear where but that's not all leads us.
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When it is serving as the command center for the chosen during the end times, God will guard the plaque with archangels.
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Let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.
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Pshaww, Jesus didn't say anything about bullets.GreenGoo wrote:Let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.
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Pretty sure Iran thought that rockets from Syria were a good idea too...Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 5:54 pmPshaww, Jesus didn't say anything about bullets.GreenGoo wrote:Let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51971.html
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I'm pretty sure they still do.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:27 pmPretty sure Iran thought that rockets from Syria were a good idea too...Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 5:54 pmPshaww, Jesus didn't say anything about bullets.GreenGoo wrote:Let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.
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People who would take an 8 month old to a violent protest don't deserve kids.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:13 pmhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51971.html
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Please, tell us more about how unarmed people asserting a political claim aren't even human.Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pmPeople who would take an 8 month old to a violent protest don't deserve kids.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:13 pmhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51971.html
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People who behave like assholes deserve their sins to be visited on their children.Rip wrote:People who would take an 8 month old to a violent protest don't deserve kids.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:13 pmhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51971.html
But at least we're not talking about a Trump properties, Indonesian grift or is that graft, ZTE triangle, amiright?
That is a bullshit sentiment and you should step the fuck back across that line.
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I got nuthin, That truly ends the conversation..Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pmPeople who would take an 8 month old to a violent protest don't deserve kids.LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:13 pmhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51971.html
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"You bad, your kids should die." How shit used to be. Make Humanity Great Again. Huzzah!
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Parents must be held responsible for all potential consequences of their actions, but not President Trump or other politicians/causes which Rip supports. Only the Enemy can bear the Blame or Shame.Rip wrote:People who would take an 8 month old to a violent protest don't deserve kids.
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