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Post by Zarathud » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:21 pm

I learned in college backs in the 90s that conservative student groups are whiny little snowflakes. They appear to have only doubled down on the bullshit since then.
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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:30 pm

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I learned in college backs in the 90s that conservative student groups are whiny little snowflakes. They appear to have only doubled down on the bullshit since then.
Eh? They invite a speaker, campus loses its mind, administration shuts it down, conservatives complain (and rightly so). That doesn't make them whiny or snowflakes.

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"A senior administration official with direct knowledge of the meeting described Trump’s stance: 'He doesn’t want another single dollar going to the island.'"
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:20 am

Katrina x100 but no one gives a shit. Welcome to 2019.
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am

This has to be boosting efforts in Puerto Rico to either become a state or become fully independent, right? It's almost impossible to imagine a scenario that would more dramatically illustrate the drawbacks of commonwealth status than this.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
This has to be boosting efforts in Puerto Rico to either become a state or become fully independent, right? It's almost impossible to imagine a scenario that would more dramatically illustrate the drawbacks of commonwealth status than this.
Completely. They are being abused (worse than ignored) and with no representation. If so many of them weren't currently preoccupied with staying alive, I imagine they'd be in the streets en mass.

Seriously, I cannot imagine. To be stuck in a situation where you are relying on the government of the United States for critical services. You are subject to its laws and policies. Yet you have no representation within that government. WTF?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:19 am

WaPo
President Trump’s Twitter habits are up for argument Tuesday morning, as federal judges consider whether he and other elected officials can block critical voices from their social media accounts.

Justice Department lawyers, defending the president, say the @realDonaldTrump account is Trump’s personal platform to share his views, not an extension of the federal government. The president, they say, can choose to silence followers “he does not wish to hear” without violating the First Amendment.

The Trump administration is appealing a District Court judge’s ruling from May siding with seven individuals blocked on Twitter after they posted comments critical of the president and his policies. Judge Naomi Buchwald of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York said the comment threads attached to Trump’s tweets, open to anyone without restrictions, are a public forum. Blocking individuals from those interactive spaces because of their views, she said, is unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court has not directly addressed how the law applies to expanding digital spaces for public debate, and the case involving the president’s Twitter account is a high-profile legal test.
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Among the Twitter users blocked by Trump and expected to attend the hearing Tuesday at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit are a D.C. writer and legal analyst; a University of Maryland professor; a surgery resident from Nashville and a comedy writer from New York. They are represented by the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University.
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Post by Holman » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:22 am

Kurth wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:12 am
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
This has to be boosting efforts in Puerto Rico to either become a state or become fully independent, right? It's almost impossible to imagine a scenario that would more dramatically illustrate the drawbacks of commonwealth status than this.
Completely. They are being abused (worse than ignored) and with no representation. If so many of them weren't currently preoccupied with staying alive, I imagine they'd be in the streets en mass.

Seriously, I cannot imagine. To be stuck in a situation where you are relying on the government of the United States for critical services. You are subject to its laws and policies. Yet you have no representation within that government. WTF?
It's an attempt to drive them away, plain and simple.

Trump is a lifelong racist from NYC. It's not hard to imagine his feelings about Puerto Ricans.
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:29 am

Holman wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:22 am
Kurth wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:12 am
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
This has to be boosting efforts in Puerto Rico to either become a state or become fully independent, right? It's almost impossible to imagine a scenario that would more dramatically illustrate the drawbacks of commonwealth status than this.
Completely. They are being abused (worse than ignored) and with no representation. If so many of them weren't currently preoccupied with staying alive, I imagine they'd be in the streets en mass.

Seriously, I cannot imagine. To be stuck in a situation where you are relying on the government of the United States for critical services. You are subject to its laws and policies. Yet you have no representation within that government. WTF?
It's an attempt to drive them away, plain and simple.

Trump is a lifelong racist from NYC. It's not hard to imagine his feelings about Puerto Ricans.
Is it likely to drive them away, though? Emotionally that makes sense. But logically if they become independent they have even less claim to U.S. support, whereas if they became a state a lot of this would become automatic (and they would have federal representation). Plus I imagine that statehood would be more of a direct FU to Trump.

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Post by Holman » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:36 am

El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:29 am

Is it likely to drive them away, though? Emotionally that makes sense. But logically if they become independent they have even less claim to U.S. support, whereas if they became a state a lot of this would become automatic (and they would have federal representation). Plus I imagine that statehood would be more of a direct FU to Trump.
I dunno.

I seem to recall that PR rejects statehood whenever it comes to a referendum. I don't know if there's an independence movement of any size.

The main point, of course, is that Trump hates brown people, especially brown people who criticize or embarrass him.
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:54 am

Holman wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:36 am
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:29 am

Is it likely to drive them away, though? Emotionally that makes sense. But logically if they become independent they have even less claim to U.S. support, whereas if they became a state a lot of this would become automatic (and they would have federal representation). Plus I imagine that statehood would be more of a direct FU to Trump.
I dunno.

I seem to recall that PR rejects statehood whenever it comes to a referendum. I don't know if there's an independence movement of any size.

The main point, of course, is that Trump hates brown people, especially brown people who criticize or embarrass him.
The plurality has supported continued Commonwealth status, I think. The last referendum actually voted for statehood, although the pro-independence people boycotted the last referendum. That also complicates assessing public opinion on the island, although I would assume that if pro-independence people thought that they were likely to win the vote they wouldn't have boycotted.

Intuitively I would think that the "continued commonwealth status" support will shrink, and I just don't know whether that support will break more towards statehood or independence.

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Post by Remus West » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:05 pm

Holman wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:22 am
Kurth wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:12 am
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
This has to be boosting efforts in Puerto Rico to either become a state or become fully independent, right? It's almost impossible to imagine a scenario that would more dramatically illustrate the drawbacks of commonwealth status than this.
Completely. They are being abused (worse than ignored) and with no representation. If so many of them weren't currently preoccupied with staying alive, I imagine they'd be in the streets en mass.

Seriously, I cannot imagine. To be stuck in a situation where you are relying on the government of the United States for critical services. You are subject to its laws and policies. Yet you have no representation within that government. WTF?
It's an attempt to drive them away, plain and simple.

Trump is a lifelong racist from NYC. It's not hard to imagine his feelings about Puerto Ricans.
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Post by Skinypupy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:29 am

Let's pretend for a moment that Obama did this and think of what the reaction would have been from literally EVERY conservative, shall we?

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The Trump administration has quietly pursued a wider deal on sharing U.S. nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia, which aims to build at least two nuclear power plants. Several countries including the United States, South Korea and Russia are in competition for that deal, and the winners are expected to be announced later this year by Saudi Arabia.
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Post by El Guapo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:42 am

Skinypupy wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:29 am
Let's pretend for a moment that Obama did this and think of what the reaction would have been from literally EVERY conservative, shall we?

U.S. approved secret nuclear power work for Saudi Arabia
U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry has approved six secret authorizations by companies to sell nuclear power technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia, according to a copy of a document seen by Reuters on Wednesday.

The Trump administration has quietly pursued a wider deal on sharing U.S. nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia, which aims to build at least two nuclear power plants. Several countries including the United States, South Korea and Russia are in competition for that deal, and the winners are expected to be announced later this year by Saudi Arabia.
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Skinypupy wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:29 am
Let's pretend for a moment that Obama did this and think of what the reaction would have been from literally EVERY conservative, shall we?

U.S. approved secret nuclear power work for Saudi Arabia
U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry has approved six secret authorizations by companies to sell nuclear power technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia, according to a copy of a document seen by Reuters on Wednesday.

The Trump administration has quietly pursued a wider deal on sharing U.S. nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia, which aims to build at least two nuclear power plants. Several countries including the United States, South Korea and Russia are in competition for that deal, and the winners are expected to be announced later this year by Saudi Arabia.
Are we so far down the road to Shitsville that this will even register a blip in the public consciousness?

And no, of course a country with the world's second largest reserves of oil wouldn't use nuclear power to develop nuclear weapons. It's not like their entire economy is founded on the idea of supplying the world with fossil fuels or anything. The always forward thinking Saudis are just looking to diversify; Green New Deal Middle Eastern Style! Nothing shady, scouts honor.
But yeah let's go ahead and keep that a secret just cuz.

Also Rick Perry sucks.
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Hasn't the that been on the top of the chopping block from the EPA with his personal commitment as a job killer since day one?

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There we go... He was ignored and now he's taking credit in a speech...

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Post by Holman » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:31 pm

Even better, every Trump budget has massively cut this program, and each year Congress has ignored him and funded it.

Trump is taking a victory lap for Congress ignoring his demands.
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Post by Kraken » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:42 pm

Holman wrote:
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Even better, every Trump budget has massively cut this program, and each year Congress has ignored him and funded it.

Trump is taking a victory lap for Congress ignoring his demands.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:55 pm

More great use of executive time.
Trump tweeted, "In honor of his past service to our Country, Navy Seal #EddieGallagher will soon be moved to less restrictive confinement while he awaits his day in court. Process should move quickly!

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Gallagher has been charged with various violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice while deployed to Mosul, Iraq, in 2017. He has been accused of stabbing and murdering a wounded person, shooting at noncombatants and posing for a photo and performing his re-enlistment ceremony next to a dead body.

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Several dozen members of Congress, led by South Carolina Republican Rep. Ralph Norman, have been pushing to move Gallagher as he awaits trial in May.
Norman said Friday on Twitter he had spoken with Trump about moving Gallagher and that it was "appropriate that he be treated as a decorated soldier who still has the presumption of innocence." Austin Livingston, a spokesman for Norman, said he did not have any details about the timing of Gallagher's relocation and said the congressman was not taking a position on Gallagher's guilt or innocence.

I'm not that versed in military justice but my understanding was that sitting in the brig wasn't supposed to be an enjoyable experience and that the "presumption of innocence" afforded to members of the military in the military justice system was not the same as civilians in the civilian system. But hey, this guy is accused of terrorizing brownies so...dog whistle.

Or are all seamen/airmen/soldiers/etc awaiting trial and "presumed innocent" going to get the same treatment and less restrictive confinement? Just all the "decorated" ones?
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Post by Chaz » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:07 pm

Hell, what about all the people sitting in jail for months awaiting trial because they can't afford bail?
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Post by MonkeyFinger » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:21 pm

I read about the Great Lakes and other whoppers this morning in this WaPo article about him rushing in to solve problems of his own making: It'll happen fast
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:50 pm

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Hell, what about all the people sitting in jail for months awaiting trial because they can't afford bail?
Or those stuck under a bridge in El Paso.
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Quick--someone remind him that 'them' taking from 'us' is the part you're supposed to obliquely let people infer, not the part you say out loud.

Also, of course this number is wildly inaccurate.

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It's really hard to find out how much has been spent there.

This article makes it look like the US only spent $6B as of 11/12/18, but was looking to authorize $55B more.
The federal government has spent $6 billion on disaster relief efforts since Hurricane Maria devastated the island last year, according to FEMA. The federal government is estimated to spend more than $55 billion on Maria’s recovery, with Congress preparing to pass new spending bills in December.
But Schumer wrote an op-ed this weekend saying there was still $20B sitting unspent from an authorization 18 months ago.
ABC News wrote:Over the weekend, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer penned an op-ed in The New York Daily News, saying the Trump administration "has yet to disperse nearly $20 billion in long-term recovery and mitigation funds for Puerto Rico, more than a year after they were approved by Congress and a year-and-a-half after the historic hurricanes made landfall."
This story from Oct, 2017 says that $36.5B was authorized, but it included refunding a bunch of other programs, not just help for Puerto Rico.
President Donald Trump signed a $36.5 billion emergency aid measure on Thursday to refill disaster accounts, provide a cash infusion to Puerto Rico and bail out the federal flood insurance program.

The president signed the bill after the Senate sent him the measure earlier this week to help Florida, Texas and Puerto Rico after a devastating string of hurricanes. The funding will also bolster Western states dealing with massive wildfires.

To date, Congress has approved more than $50 billion in disaster aid this fall but more money will be needed. The states and Puerto Rico continue to assess the damage from an onslaught of damaging storms.

The measure provides $18.7 billion to replenish the Federal Emergency Management Agency's accounts, and $16 billion to allow the flood insurance program to keep paying claims.

Led by the Florida and Texas delegations, Congress will be pressed for additional funding to help homeowners without flood insurance rebuild and to cover damage to water and navigation projects, crops, public buildings and infrastructure.

But White House budget director Mick Mulvaney said earlier this week the next request for disaster aid, expected to cost tens of billions of dollars, should be paired with cuts to other government programs to finance the money.

The current measure would permit FEMA to allocate up to $5 billion to assist Puerto Rico's central government and various municipalities dealing with a cash crisis.
55B+36.5B = $91B, but it sure didn't all go to Puerto Rico and there is apparently questions of how much has actually been distributed.
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Post by Zaxxon » Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:24 am

Righto. Bottom line is nowhere near the claimed amount.

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Post by pr0ner » Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:29 am

The second half of Trump's Puerto Rico tweet is epic, too.

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The second half of Trump's Puerto Rico tweet is epic, too.

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Zaxxon wrote:
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Quick--someone remind him that 'them' taking from 'us' is the part you're supposed to obliquely let people infer, not the part you say out loud.

Also, of course this number is wildly inaccurate.
These tweets -- Part 1 and Part 2 -- are so over the top. I know he controls his own twitter account, but how can his advisors let him put stuff like this out? It's like the Emperor is going out and telling the world, point blank, "Look . . . I have no clothes!!!" This shit is just moronic.

And it's bad enough the substance is wrong/evil/racist. I can't get past his writing: "Puerto Rico got 91 Billion Dollars for the hurricane, more money than has ever been gotten for a hurricane before". I mean, I know this is twitter, but "more money than has ever been gotten"??? It's just embarrassing that this guy is the elected leader of the free world. Fucking mortifying.
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Post by Smoove_B » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:57 am

Barr summary report FULLY EXONERATED Trump. This is just him ramping up to full strength now - because in his mind, he's clearly bulletproof. I fear he's only just begun.

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Is there one single person in America that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 that will vote for him in 2020?


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And it's bad enough the substance is wrong/evil/racist. I can't get past his writing: "Puerto Rico got 91 Billion Dollars for the hurricane, more money than has ever been gotten for a hurricane before". I mean, I know this is twitter, but "more money than has ever been gotten"??? It's just embarrassing that this guy is the elected leader of the free world. Fucking mortifying.
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Dramatist wrote:
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Is there one single person in America that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 that will vote for him in 2020?


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Dramatist wrote:
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Is there one single person in America that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 that will vote for him in 2020?


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Post by malchior » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:17 pm

Alefroth wrote:
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Dramatist wrote:
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Is there one single person in America that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 that will vote for him in 2020?


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Don't discount idiot teenagers who have lived on 4chan or /r/the_donald for their high school years. I mean it'll probably be in the hundreds but surely not zero. :lol:

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread

Post by Dramatist » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:23 pm

malchior wrote:
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:15 pm
Dramatist wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:12 pm
Is there one single person in America that didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 that will vote for him in 2020?


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You really have to believe it's no, right?
Don't discount idiot teenagers who have lived on 4chan or /r/the_donald for their high school years. I mean it'll probably be in the hundreds but surely not zero. :lol:
Yeah I’m sure there will be some young people who are old enough to vote now but weren’t in 2016 that will vote Trump.


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