Trump's Full Court Press on healthcare

[Enough]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

I would much rather Paul, Cruz, Pence, hell even Rubio.

Rats and sinking ships.

While that may be true, you will find I was a Paul supporter from the beginning and shifted to Cruz after he withdrew. I didn't shift to Trump until it was either him or Clinton, and that is well documented right here on the forum. Nice try.

Just as has your breathless support for Trump has been seen ever since.

[malchior]

I fully expect Rip will cost once he gets that inner asshole checked out. Or he finally gets sick.

Rip is not counting kids or childbirth--either kids or his own--and likely not his wife either.

Or care provided in the Navy. Immunizations/check ups/fitness assessments/etc are all health care by any standard.

[Rip]

I fully expect Rip will cost once he gets that inner asshole checked out. Or he finally gets sick.

Rip is not counting kids or childbirth--either kids or his own--and likely not his wife either.

I will give you that one, if we throw in the births of myself and immediate family it would get over $10K.

But hey if I have to pay for my own shouldn't they pay for theirs?

[Rip]

I fully expect Rip will cost once he gets that inner asshole checked out. Or he finally gets sick.

Rip is not counting kids or childbirth--either kids or his own--and likely not his wife either.

Or care provided in the Navy. Immunizations/check ups/fitness assessments/etc are all health care by any standard.

But something they required. If I could have opted out I would have.

Small penalty for them to pay for being allowed to pay me less than minimum wage.

[Kraken]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

[Enough]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Edit: on second thought, I'm sure like everyone else, he was just joking about liking Trump this whole time.

[Rip]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

Well I did vote for him, reluctantly.

It is getting about time to change. Just can't decide on a new one.

[tjg_marantz]

Nah, you just fucking own it. For the rest of your life. No one's giving you a refund.

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[Max Peck]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

Well I did vote for him, reluctantly.

It is getting about time to change. Just can't decide on a new one.

The obvious choice would be Pence.

[Zarathud]

#trumptaint

or let's cut to the chase:

#stilldeplorable

[Enough]

If Rip wants to admit he wants off the Trump train, we should welcome it. If supporters like him are departing, then I think there may be some hope after all. I am sure I will dislike what someone like Pence might try to accomplish but at least I won't awake daily feeling our entire existence is under existential threat due to a bunch of American's deciding to look the other way at endless reams of data on what an awful human being Trump is and has always been. Our chronic problems could also be fatal, but until we deal with the exigent and salient threat that is Drumpf it's hard to see any light.

[Rip]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

Well I did vote for him, reluctantly.

It is getting about time to change. Just can't decide on a new one.

The obvious choice would be Pence.

Too low key.

I had thought about maybe doing Kelly though.

I would have done Mooch if he had lasted long enough gotten the job.

[Max Peck]

Funny thing is I don't really care for Trump.

Odd choice for an avatar, then.

Well I did vote for him, reluctantly.

It is getting about time to change. Just can't decide on a new one.

The obvious choice would be Pence.

Too low key.

I had thought about maybe doing Kelly though.

I would have done Mooch if he had lasted long enough gotten the job.

Kelly is a hard-case, but he's pretty apolitical (he would have gone to work for Clinton as readily as he did for Trump). He brings nothing to the table vis-a-vis tweaking liberal noses.

Maybe Bannon. Or Alex Jones, if you want to keep it cranked up to 11.

[Isgrimnur]

How about Mueller?

[Nightwish]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

[Alefroth]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

[Rip]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

[hepcat]

You're as smart as a milk person, aren't ya?

[Unagi]

You're as smart as a milk person, aren't ya?

You're gonna walk that back, aren't ya?

[hepcat]

Milk people are very smart. They...make milk. Can you make milk? I didn't think so.

Anyway, I was making a joke referencing another thread. Hardly a personal insult.

P.S. Man, you hold a grudge like a pro grudge holder.

[Zarathud]

If they exercised their "freedom" not to be insured or pay for other people like you preach (or fight litigious plaintiffs with "phony" claims out of principle), then you'd be screwed, Rip. And lawsuits take years, even if they were sufficiently insured and you had a good lawyer with enough evidence to win. Your lawyer would take 1/3, even if you won and collected.

My wife was hit by a freight train and lived. Her case was rock solid. She cleared enough to pay off the extensive medical debt and college, no more. I've supported her medical costs for 20 years. Avoiding ANY gap in medical insurance has been a big part of my life. You've been fortunate enough not to have to worry.

Yet. Your false illusions about medical insurance could dissolve in an instant once you need it. You'll never know until it's too late. If you live long enough, you will need medical care. Fact of life, and medical costs before death are the highest. By then, it could be too late if your short-sighted, ignorant views become law.

[Unagi]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

So is this to say that you also don't care about the people you are responsible for. Do you have kids? (you do, but fuck them, right?)

[Unagi]

Milk people are very smart. They...make milk. Can you make milk? I didn't think so.

Anyway, I was making a joke referencing another thread. Hardly a personal insult.

P.S. Man, you hold a grudge like a pro grudge holder.

(not a grudge, you never asked me to walk anything back, I just find humor in it) (and I appreciate your ability to not be too bothered by me)

Milk people are very smart. They...make milk. Can you make milk? I didn't think so.
That's a nice walk back.

edit: and I totally missed your milk people connection... so - I should just probably shut up. (for now)

[LawBeefaroni]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

No, you'd go the the ER and in an unconscious state, you'd be hooked up to the socialist teat where your life would be saved. There are countless invincible idealists who have done the same. You aren't any different. Some people plan, some don't. We pay for you. You don't pay for someone else.

[Skinypupy]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

That's a good point. I should go tell my dad - currently hospitalized, undergoing chemo for Stage IV pancreatic cancer, and probably running up $10K every couple of days - to just suck it up, quit being such a baby, and deplete what life savings he has left to pay for his own goddamn medical bills.

After all, we don't want his treatment to be a burden for people like Rip who have been lucky enough not to need it.

[Unagi]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

That's a good point. I should go tell my dad - currently hospitalized, undergoing chemo for Stage IV pancreatic cancer, and probably running up $10K every couple of days - to just suck it up, quit being such a baby, and deplete what life savings he has left to pay for his own goddamn medical bills.

After all, we don't want his treatment to be a burden for people like Rip who have been lucky enough not to need it.

I wonder if Rip will give you the honor of a reply.

[Skinypupy]

I don't particularly care, just trying to point out the absurdity of his reply.

[Unagi]

I don't particularly care, just trying to point out the absurdity of his reply.

Oh I know. I'm just trying to draw out how empty of a human being he is.

[Rip]

You're as smart as a milk person, aren't ya?

I have to be, I was born into a milk person family.

[Rip]

Well someone owes me a ton of money then, I haven't spent $10K total on healthcare my entire life.

The real question will be when you get hit by a car, get cancer, food poisoning, pneumonia and so on, will you stick to your ideals and pay out of pocket or not?

He's actually said he would just prefer to die.

In the cancer case yes, food poisoning or pneumonia I would tough out or if it got bad enough go to the doctor and pay. Hit by a car would probably mean I would be suing someone else to pay for it unless it is a car falling from the sky in a storm or some crazy crap like that.

That's a good point. I should go tell my dad - currently hospitalized, undergoing chemo for Stage IV pancreatic cancer, and probably running up $10K every couple of days - to just suck it up, quit being such a baby, and deplete what life savings he has left to pay for his own goddamn medical bills.

After all, we don't want his treatment to be a burden for people like Rip who have been lucky enough not to need it.

Sounds like your dad had insurance. If not I am quite sure they would deplete his life savings for him. Just like my wife and her siblings are having done at this moment by their dad. Who isn't even in a hospital yet but he has parkinsons and the dominoes are already falling. At this point they are all having to consider how to protect themselves from having the cost of his care end up being their debt.

[Zarathud]

It's the resentment over being fortunate enough not to have sucked off the socialist teat, while ignoring all of the mother's milk he drinks from the government every day. It's enough to make one furious if you see it.

[Unagi]

Sounds like your dad had insurance. If not I am quite sure they would deplete his life savings for him. Just like my wife and her siblings are having done at this moment by their dad. Who isn't even in a hospital yet but he has parkinsons and the dominoes are already falling. At this point they are all having to consider how to protect themselves from having the cost of his care end up being their debt.

But you don't care, right?

[Rip]

Sounds like your dad had insurance. If not I am quite sure they would deplete his life savings for him. Just like my wife and her siblings are having done at this moment by their dad. Who isn't even in a hospital yet but he has parkinsons and the dominoes are already falling. At this point they are all having to consider how to protect themselves from having the cost of his care end up being their debt.

But you don't care, right?

What does it matter if I care? Caring is about as useful as praying.

[LordMortis]

Trump isn't to blame for this but, yeah, single payer... We wonder where RM9's $6000 bills come from...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/upsh ... p_1=746006

I have a Cadillac plan that mitigates out of network fiascos but I can easily imagine based on the code fuckups I've fought in my lifetime what people can go through thinking they are visiting an in network hospital only to find someone looked at their chart and can bill them whatever because the in network hospital contracted out of network staff.

[Default]

Sounds like your dad had insurance. If not I am quite sure they would deplete his life savings for him. Just like my wife and her siblings are having done at this moment by their dad. Who isn't even in a hospital yet but he has parkinsons and the dominoes are already falling. At this point they are all having to consider how to protect themselves from having the cost of his care end up being their debt.

But you don't care, right?

What does it matter if I care? Caring is about as useful as praying.

You might want to consider some health insurance. Or some life insurance.

[Pyperkub]

I tend to agree with Jeff V here. I have a hard time seeing companies pass along the savings as extra salary to their employees. But I'm super cynical lately, and getting worse every year.

However, I do believe that the idea that health insurance should be tied to your employment is madness.

I do think the law making the change would account for this somehow. I also think that coupling health insurance to jobs was relatively effective in the mid- 20th century, but is becoming far more burdensome in the 21st, where there has been a dramatic change in how people work.

The US system has some serious flaws as is, and is not adapting well to changing work norms.

[Remus West]

Edit: Fuck it. Not worth it.

[LawBeefaroni]

Trump isn't to blame for this but, yeah, single payer... We wonder where RM9's $6000 bills come from...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/upsh ... p_1=746006

I have a Cadillac plan that mitigates out of network fiascos but I can easily imagine based on the code fuckups I've fought in my lifetime what people can go through thinking they are visiting an in network hospital only to find someone looked at their chart and can bill them whatever because the in network hospital contracted out of network staff.

Most hospital's would rather get paid the in network rates in a timely manner than chase down patients for billed charges they probably won't pay, it will fight for years. The problem is when second party providers are involved. Like the company in the article, who are only after money (and who don't have to worry about reputations since the hospital will get blamed). Or just per diem or non affiliated providers who they have no control over in terms of what plans they are in. Smaller hospitals can't just go out and hire every doctor they need. Hell, but hospitals can't a lot of the time. So they rely on independent providers or mercenary hospital based groups like in the article.

[Jeff V]

Trump isn't to blame for this but, yeah, single payer... We wonder where RM9's $6000 bills come from...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/upsh ... p_1=746006

I have a Cadillac plan that mitigates out of network fiascos but I can easily imagine based on the code fuckups I've fought in my lifetime what people can go through thinking they are visiting an in network hospital only to find someone looked at their chart and can bill them whatever because the in network hospital contracted out of network staff.

Most hospital's would rather get paid the in network rates in a timely manner than chase down patients for billed charges they probably won't pay, it will fight for years. The problem is when second party providers are involved. Like the company in the article, who are only after money (and who don't have to worry about reputations since the hospital will get blamed). Or just per diem or non affiliated providers who they have no control over in terms of what plans they are in. Smaller hospitals can't just go out and hire every doctor they need. Hell, but hospitals can't a lot of the time. So they rely on independent providers or mercenary hospital based groups like in the article.

Contracting out is fine, but in most other industries, the subcontractor does not get to bill the customer using different terms and conditions. If someone went to an in-network hospital for care, all care provided in that hospital should be covered in network and all billing done through the hospital. The way it happens now is near-criminal bullshit.

[malchior]

It looks like Heller's vote wasn't enough to stave off a primary challenger. Should be fun since Heller does have McConnell's checkbook available to him to the tune of at a million dollars.