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Donald Trump's Cabinet picks

Post by Carpet_pissr » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:06 pm

Holman wrote:The worst thing about Pruitt's corruption and greed is how much it distracted us from how bad Trump's EPA has been at environmental protection.
It’s like you didn’t even read his letter! “improved environmental outcomes” is right there in the first paragraph.

Come on, man.

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Post by Chaz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:27 pm

And a surprising amount of religious undertones. Maybe not surprising in our burgeoning theocracy.
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Post by Holman » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:13 pm

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And a surprising amount of religious undertones. Maybe not surprising in our burgeoning theocracy.
Pruitt has been a Christianist theocrat his whole career.

Shows you just how strong religious conviction guarantees high ethical character.
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Post by El Guapo » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:25 pm

Skinypupy wrote:While I'm thrilled he's no longer at the EPA, I'm crossing my fingers this doesn't set the rumored "Fire Sessions-->appoint Pruitt-->Fire Mueller (because he doesn't have to recuse himself)" plan into motion.
I believe this precludes it. Pruitt's value was that, since he was already in a Senate confirmed role, he could slide over into the AG role under the Vacancies Act without a confirmation hearing. Since he's now out of office, I don't think that works anymore

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Skinypupy wrote:While I'm thrilled he's no longer at the EPA, I'm crossing my fingers this doesn't set the rumored "Fire Sessions-->appoint Pruitt-->Fire Mueller (because he doesn't have to recuse himself)" plan into motion.
I believe this precludes it. Pruitt's value was that, since he was already in a Senate confirmed role, he could slide over into the AG role under the Vacancies Act without a confirmation hearing. Since he's now out of office, I don't think that works anymore

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And now we have coal lobbyist dude let's see if we can pay more attention to the gutting of basic environmental protection.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:42 am

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And now we have coal lobbyist dude let's see if we can pay more attention to the gutting of basic environmental protection.

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He knows the workings of DC quite well. He's basically a Pruitt who will be unburdened by amateur graft.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Enough wrote:
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And now we have coal lobbyist dude let's see if we can pay more attention to the gutting of basic environmental protection.

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He knows the workings of DC quite well. He's basically a Pruitt who will be unburdened by amateur graft.
You crushed that silver lining just as hard as my wife did when I shared that thought with her haha.

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When asked about Trump's comment that there were "fine people on both sides" in Charlottesville, Sec. Nielsen seemingly doubled down. "it's not that one side was right and one side was wrong" #AspenSecurity
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Post by Captain Caveman » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:42 pm

WTF.

But I guess it shouldn't be too surprising coming from the person in charge of taking kids from their parents and putting them in cages.

I do wonder if she's always been this horrible or if her moral rot is a more recent phenomenon.

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FWIW she was also involved in the response to Hurricane Katrina.

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Trump Just Appointed a Science Adviser
On Wednesday morning, 559 days into his presidency, Donald Trump’s administration announced his nominee for director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy—a post better known as the “president’s science adviser.” Science leaders expressed relief at the decision, if not delight: Kelvin Droegemeier, a meteorologist at the University of Oklahoma, appears to be a well-respected mainstream member of the research community; one who supports greater science funding and reportedly adheres to standard views on climate change. But may be premature to call this “a huge win for science and the earth,” as one scientist described it to the New York Times this week. The novelist Rivka Galchen once pegged Droegemeier’s name as just the sort that would seem “fancifully invented”—a weather guy called Kelvin, really? Perhaps it’s just as fanciful to think that he’ll be able to coax our chief executive toward better, more enlightened science policies.
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Post by GungHo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:27 pm

Only in trumpland...VA apparently being run by 3 dudes nobody ever nominated or vetted

For probably the 10,000th time since this guy became president, we have a situation where the phrase 'This is not normal' is applicable.

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Post by Moliere » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:20 pm

Betsy DeVos Plans to Overhaul Title IX, Focus on Due Process for Accusers and the Accused
The Education Department is drafting a new approach to campus sexual misconduct adjudication. It will permit colleges to adopt higher evidentiary standards in hearings, mandate cross-examination of relevant parties in a dispute, and stress that all students are considered innocent until proven guilty, an official with knowledge of the proposal has confirmed to Reason.

If adopted as formal policy, these measures would go a long way toward fixing the due process deficiencies that plagued the Obama administration's guidance relating to Title IX, the federal statute that deals with sex discrimination in schools.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:39 pm

I'm ok with that. Which means someone should start looking for how this shuttles public money into private hands somehow.

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Post by Chaz » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:30 pm

I can't find the twitter thread that broke it down, but no, I don't think these adjustments are a good thing. Among other things, it allows colleges to enforce that victims go through mediation with their attackers. That's a hard no right there. These don't necessarily funnel money around directly, but it does put up more obstacles to victims of assault coming forward, and gives colleges more ways to not deal with or report incidents, which then makes it look like they're safer, which makes people feel better about going there, but doesn't do anything to improve the actual problem of sexual assault.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:49 pm

Mediation is only due process if you're trying to gain some advantage that has nothing to do with justice.

Excuse me for assuming the due process involved was to obtain justice for everyone.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:31 pm

"You say that someone raped you? Well, I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll sit you down in a room with this so-called rapist and talk it out. If you can't work put your differences, we'll initiate an investigation into both of you.
You know, ask your friends about it, ask his friends about it. How's that sound? S'that work for you? Or do you want to change your mind?"
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Post by Chaz » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:37 pm

Fast forward several weeks: Our campus sexual assault numbers are way, way down! Good job, everyone!

"Campus" is important there because another change also says that anything that happens off-campus isn't the college's responsibility at all, even if both people involved are students, and the whole thing has to go through the cops. While that makes a certain amount of sense in that off-campus is off-campus, it's another way for colleges to avoid having to look like sexual assault among their students is a problem, or for them to have to deal with it in anything more than a superficial way.
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Post by Moliere » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:48 pm

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"You say that someone raped you? Well, I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll sit you down in a room with this so-called rapist and talk it out. If you can't work put your differences, we'll initiate an investigation into both of you.
You know, ask your friends about it, ask his friends about it. How's that sound? S'that work for you? Or do you want to change your mind?"
You say that someone raped you? Well, we believe you. We have expelled him from the college and labeled him a rapist for the rest of his life. How's that sound? S'that work for you? Don't worry about having to present evidence. We don't let those rapists defend themselves.
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Post by Combustible Lemur » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:06 am

Moliere wrote:
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:31 pm
"You say that someone raped you? Well, I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll sit you down in a room with this so-called rapist and talk it out. If you can't work put your differences, we'll initiate an investigation into both of you.
You know, ask your friends about it, ask his friends about it. How's that sound? S'that work for you? Or do you want to change your mind?"
You say that someone raped you? Well, we believe you. We have expelled him from the college and labeled him a rapist for the rest of his life. How's that sound? S'that work for you? Don't worry about having to present evidence. We don't let those rapists defend themselves.
....... Is your profession perhaps, Therapist?

You know that lawbeef's scenario is vastly more likely historically. I'm all about due process, but there are laws that dictate due process already, schools just skirt around them to save face, not to fervently address the gross amounts of sexual assault and predation that go on in college

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Post by Moliere » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am

If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:57 am

Moliere wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
Of course a place of employment would just fire you while you worked out "all this fuss" with the police.

Separately, why is mediation on the table? What's to mediate?

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Moliere wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
+1 And if the college doesn't think police involvement is necessary or good when it comes to accusations of sexual abuse then it's not a college I want to attend or have my family attend.

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Moliere wrote:
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If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
+100.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why a criminal matter isn't handled by the police.
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Paingod wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:35 am
Moliere wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
+100.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why a criminal matter isn't handled by the police.
I wish the police actually handled these matters well.
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Paingod wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:35 am
Moliere wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
+100.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why a criminal matter isn't handled by the police.
The argument is that the victim should not have to face their rapist on campus. Knowing that the rapist could be in the same classes, around any corner, in the dining halls... reduces or eliminates the right of the victim to the offered education. Even if the police arrest the person there is going to be a considerable time between arrest and trial and that’s assuming the trial happens or the jury finds the person guilty or the judge sentences the guilty person to prison.

I empathize with the argument. It’s an attempt to give the victim a shot at normalcy instead of the victim being the one who will leave if they want to be away from the rapist. Not removing the accused means the victim becomes responsible for avoiding the accused. An environment that would make college difficult at best.

Yet, our system of justice is based on the idea that the accused is assumed innocent and has the right to provide a defense.

I’m not sure there is an easy solution.

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Post by El Guapo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:48 am

Fitzy wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:26 am
Paingod wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:35 am
Moliere wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
+100.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why a criminal matter isn't handled by the police.
The argument is that the victim should not have to face their rapist on campus. Knowing that the rapist could be in the same classes, around any corner, in the dining halls... reduces or eliminates the right of the victim to the offered education. Even if the police arrest the person there is going to be a considerable time between arrest and trial and that’s assuming the trial happens or the jury finds the person guilty or the judge sentences the guilty person to prison.

I empathize with the argument. It’s an attempt to give the victim a shot at normalcy instead of the victim being the one who will leave if they want to be away from the rapist. Not removing the accused means the victim becomes responsible for avoiding the accused. An environment that would make college difficult at best.

Yet, our system of justice is based on the idea that the accused is assumed innocent and has the right to provide a defense.

I’m not sure there is an easy solution.
Mediation between the accuser and accused sounds insane, *unless* the point of it is just to compare daily / class schedules and the like to avoid contact (for which the accuser should be able to send an agent/friend rather than going personally).

If the remedy is to potentially expel the accused rapist, some sort of quasi-judicial process seems necessary - at least the right to present evidence to whatever university panel is making the decision. Obviously a lot would depend upon how that system was designed - it wouldn't seem to require the accuser and accused to be in the same room for the most part - the tricky part would be the accused wanting to cross-examine the testimony of the accuser.

This is the sort of thing where I think it would be helpful to look at how different universities around the world are approaching this sort of thing. I have to imagine that some place out there have figured out some kind of procedures that are minimally terrible given the situation.

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Post by El Guapo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:52 am

Speaking of universities handling things terribly, by the way - Stanford facing lawsuit over how it handles students reporting suicidal thoughts.

Basically (at least going by the lawsuit) they've been basically kicking kids off campus who tell them that they're having suicidal thoughts, and making them sign statements accepting blame for their actions if they want to return.

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Post by Zarathud » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:09 am

Colleges have a long history of trying to convince rape victims not to make police reports or burying accusations reported to campus police. Colleges provide security and housing where the rapes often occur, but have an interest in covering up charges.

When we're demanding more accountability of the Catholic Church's institutional behavior, it's inconsistent to demand less of colleges.

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Post by Combustible Lemur » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:57 am

Moliere wrote:If you accuse a guy of rape then it should be dealt with by the police, not the college.
Sure, but unless you're going to restructure the entire guardianship culture on college campuses they are going to be the middle man that gets the kids to the police. The entire system is designed to make the kids report to the school support systems as if they were parents. Universities should have always been referring these cases to the cops. That's why formalizing a system for the universities to force mediation as an alternative to cops is a TERRIBLE idea.

Maybe I don't understand the legislation but asking colleges to be honest in this seems.... Suspect.

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Combustible Lemur wrote:
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Maybe I don't understand the legislation but asking colleges to be honest in this seems.... Suspect.
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Eighteen states and the District of Columbia filed suit against Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Thursday over her delay of regulations meant to protect federal student loan borrowers defrauded by their schools.

The lawsuit filed in Federal District Court in D.C., led by Massachusetts and joined by 18 other Democratic attorneys general, accuses DeVos of illegally delaying the regulations aimed at predatory colleges, which were finalized by the Obama administration and had been set to take effect on July 1.
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U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos lost a lawsuit brought by 19 states and the District of Columbia, accusing her department of wrongly delaying implementation of Obama-era regulations meant to protect students who took out loans to attend college from predatory practices.

A Washington federal court judge on Wednesday ruled the department’s postponement of the so-called Borrower Defense rule was procedurally improper.
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The department deprived plaintiffs "of several concrete benefits that they would have otherwise accrued," U.S. District Judge Randolph Moss wrote in a 57-page opinion. "The relief they seek in this action -- immediate implementation of the Borrower Defense regulations -- would restore those benefits."

Writing that he didn’t want to delay matters further, Moss said he will hold a hearing Friday to consider remedies.
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Please be civil and don't hurt Betsy's feelings. Her father-in-law just died.

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The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development awarded promotions and pay increases to five political operatives with no housing policy experience within their first months on the job, demonstrating what government watchdogs and career staff describe as a premium put on loyalty over expertise.

The raises, documented in a Washington Post analysis of HUD political hires, resulted in annual salaries between $98,000 and $155,000 for the five appointees, all of whom had worked on Donald Trump’s or Ben Carson’s presidential campaigns. Three of them did not list bachelor’s degrees on their résumés.

The political hires were among at least 24 people without evident housing policy experience who were appointed to the best-paying political positions at HUD, an agency charged with serving the poorest Americans. They account for a third of the 70 HUD appointees at the upper ranks of the federal government, with salaries above $94,000, according to the Post review of agency records.

The limited experience at the upper reaches of the agency — HUD Secretary Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, has no prior housing, executive or government background — injected confusion into the rollout of policy initiatives and brought delays to even routine functions, according to interviews with 16 current and former career staff members.
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