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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Alefroth » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 am

em2nought wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:15 am
Not a bot I am. :wink:
Yep, you don't have that as an excuse.

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Re: Russia influences election

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em2nought wrote:
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I hope we dump those weak NATO allies and form a new alliance with the Ruskies. After all, they were good enough for FDR even after a purge. :roll:

Not a bot I am. :wink:
I thought you served in the military? I'm surprised to see you wanting to swear allegiance to another country in light of that.

Ah well, when watching the original Red Dawn, I always cheered for the U.S of A. I guess you cheered for mother Russia. :mrgreen:
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Combustible Lemur » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:41 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:I think that's all putting too much weight on not voting Democrats. The biggest problem is the assumption that they outnumber non-voting "deplorable" and Republicans. Because they'll turn out too.


It's not like "if we do this, we will surely win.". It's like "if we do this, there's a chance that we win." But don't count on it.
It's not really an assumption, Trump lost the popular election by 3million votes. Turnout was still relatively low compared to other countries.

Fwiw the professional democrats whose podcasts listen to are firmly in the activate non voters above but not instead of convincing on the fence Republicans. The people involved are mostly ex Obama and Clinton staffers.


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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Fireball » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:49 am

Combustible Lemur wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:41 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:I think that's all putting too much weight on not voting Democrats. The biggest problem is the assumption that they outnumber non-voting "deplorable" and Republicans. Because they'll turn out too.


It's not like "if we do this, we will surely win.". It's like "if we do this, there's a chance that we win." But don't count on it.
It's not really an assumption, Trump lost the popular election by 3million votes. Turnout was still relatively low compared to other countries.

Fwiw the professional democrats whose podcasts listen to are firmly in the activate non voters above but not instead of convincing on the fence Republicans. The people involved are mostly ex Obama and Clinton staffers.


A link to the media company's podcasts they're good albeit not straight journalism.
https://lists.pocketcasts.com/3119c51a- ... 8181e5ec2c

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by raydude » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:53 am

hepcat wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:27 am
em2nought wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:15 am
I hope we dump those weak NATO allies and form a new alliance with the Ruskies. After all, they were good enough for FDR even after a purge. :roll:

Not a bot I am. :wink:
I thought you served in the military? I'm surprised to see you wanting to swear allegiance to another country in light of that.

Ah well, when watching the original Red Dawn, I always cheered for the U.S of A. I guess you cheered for mother Russia. :mrgreen:
I thought about Red Dawn the other day. If it were remade now the Russians could probably win if they didn't team up with Cuba or Latin America and just sent the military hailing from Northern and Central Russia. The teenage Wolverines in the MidWest would find themselves fighting with the older men in militia groups.

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Defiant » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:25 pm

34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly described America today

.. President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer. He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don’t know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.
Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was “a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.”
“What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”
“As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by hepcat » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:03 pm

Trump today:
Trump: “Thank you very much everybody. We’re doing very well, probably as well as anybody has ever done with Russia. There’s been no President ever as tough as I have been on Russia.
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Did he mean to say "enchanted" instead of "tough"?
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by $iljanus » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:10 pm

hepcat wrote:
em2nought wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:15 am
I hope we dump those weak NATO allies and form a new alliance with the Ruskies. After all, they were good enough for FDR even after a purge. :roll:

Not a bot I am. :wink:
I thought you served in the military? I'm surprised to see you wanting to swear allegiance to another country in light of that.

Ah well, when watching the original Red Dawn, I always cheered for the U.S of A. I guess you cheered for mother Russia. :mrgreen:
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Paingod » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 am

noxiousdog wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:16 pm
We don't need to change deplorables, we just need to get off our lazy asses and vote in enough numbers that they don't matter. We outnumber them, we just need to use that.
:obscene-drinkingcheers:

This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
Also, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LordMortis » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:04 am

Paingod wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 am
noxiousdog wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:16 pm
We don't need to change deplorables, we just need to get off our lazy asses and vote in enough numbers that they don't matter. We outnumber them, we just need to use that.
:obscene-drinkingcheers:

This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
Also, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by The Meal » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am

A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.

And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by stessier » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 am

The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.

And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
Sorry, Canadian bacon becoming the dominant form makes this a nonstarter for me.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by The Meal » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:17 am

"Subversive bacon" has a nice ring to it though, eh?
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by hepcat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 am

The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.

And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:25 am

stessier wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 am
The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.

And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
Sorry, Canadian bacon becoming the dominant form makes this a nonstarter for me.
Canadian bacon in Canada is different than Canadian bacon in the US. Another reason Canada should be game for war.
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Post by Skinypupy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:27 am

The new cover of Time Magazine. Enjoy the nightmares!

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:29 am

Defiant wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:25 pm
34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly described America today

.. President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer. He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don’t know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.
Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was “a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.”
“What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”
“As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
All going according to plan.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Archinerd » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am

DIfferent bacons, U.S.'s version is wrong. Casus belli established.
Now how do we get Canada to act?

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Jeff V » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am

The Meal wrote:
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And then immediately and completely surrender.
You really think we could out-surrender the surrender monkeys in Quebec? The French have much experience!

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 am

Archinerd wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am
DIfferent bacons, U.S.'s version is wrong. Casus belli established.
Now how do we get Canada to act?
Woah, uncanny.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Defiant » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:37 am

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Alefroth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:24 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:04 am
Paingod wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 am
noxiousdog wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:16 pm
We don't need to change deplorables, we just need to get off our lazy asses and vote in enough numbers that they don't matter. We outnumber them, we just need to use that.
:obscene-drinkingcheers:

This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
Also, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.
I like it. Make it so!
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Post by hepcat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 pm

Jeff V wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am
The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
And then immediately and completely surrender.
You really think we could out-surrender the surrender monkeys in Quebec? The French have much experience!
France is in Europe, Jeff.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:41 pm

Isn't Russia dead to rights in Brexit too? Many of the same players.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Fitzy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:48 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:51 am
Trump: Russia Is a Friend, Journalists Are the Enemy.



Nothing to worry about here.
You stopped early.
Implementing some of the things discussed... nuclear proliferation, cyber attacks...
I’m taking this to mean expanded nuclear weapons and more cyber attacks, since he modified “terrorism” with “stopping”, but did not with these two.

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Post by Jeff V » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:52 pm

hepcat wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 pm
Jeff V wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am
The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
And then immediately and completely surrender.
You really think we could out-surrender the surrender monkeys in Quebec? The French have much experience!
France is in Europe, Jeff.
Have you ever been to Quebec? Walk like a duck, talk like a duck...

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by El Guapo » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:09 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:41 pm
Isn't Russia dead to rights in Brexit too? Many of the same players.
Yes.

Russia's been doing it in lots of places, it's just that their two big successes to date have been in the U.S. and U.K.

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Post by hepcat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:20 pm

Jeff V wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:52 pm
hepcat wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 pm
Jeff V wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am
The Meal wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
And then immediately and completely surrender.
You really think we could out-surrender the surrender monkeys in Quebec? The French have much experience!
France is in Europe, Jeff.
Have you ever been to Quebec? Walk like a duck, talk like a duck...
Technically, it's "Walk like a canard, talk like a canard".
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Skinypupy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm

Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.

The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”

At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.

Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladi­mir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
Sigh...

EDIT: Some additional info here
House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.

The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm
Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.

The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”

At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.

Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladi­mir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
Sigh...

EDIT: Some additional info here
House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.

The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.
For everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?
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Russia influences election

Post by Carpet_pissr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:08 pm

1. Get in fetal position
2. Suck thumb

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by malchior » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:14 pm

Do whatever I was going to do anyway. The 2018 election will most likely only *change* the trajectory. The country still will be ungovernable in almost all scenarios. We are just along for the ride.

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by GungHo » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:09 am

Trumpkins: sure the Russians hacked our elections, and that's a good thing

I mean yeah, sure it's the next logical(ha!) step in the line of thinking that goes 1) trump couldn't collude with his own campaign to 2) trump didn't break any laws on to 3) anyone would've done it and finally 4) Clinton wouldn't have won either way so it's irrelevant.

Sure wish this was a link to The Onion but...no.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Alefroth » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:42 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pm
For everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?
More heckling.

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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Fireball » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
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Skinypupy wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm
Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.

The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”

At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.

Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladi­mir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
Sigh...

EDIT: Some additional info here
House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.

The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Freyland » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:25 pm

Fireball wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm
Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.

The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”

At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.

Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladi­mir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
Sigh...

EDIT: Some additional info here
House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.

The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.
For everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?
A large canister of helium and a plastic bag.
I fail to see how Alvin and the Chipmunks are going to sway a corrupt GOP, but hey, you are closer to DC than I am.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by LawBeefaroni » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:48 pm

Fireball wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pm
A large canister of helium and a plastic bag.
Please no.
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Re: Russia influences election

Post by Kraken » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:46 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:48 pm
Fireball wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pm
A large canister of helium and a plastic bag.
Please no.
Make it nitrous oxide and I'm in.

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