That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
I thought you served in the military? I'm surprised to see you wanting to swear allegiance to another country in light of that.
It's not really an assumption, Trump lost the popular election by 3million votes. Turnout was still relatively low compared to other countries.LawBeefaroni wrote:I think that's all putting too much weight on not voting Democrats. The biggest problem is the assumption that they outnumber non-voting "deplorable" and Republicans. Because they'll turn out too.
It's not like "if we do this, we will surely win.". It's like "if we do this, there's a chance that we win." But don't count on it.
If I had to rank the priorities for Democratic campaigns this year, it'd be:Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:41 amIt's not really an assumption, Trump lost the popular election by 3million votes. Turnout was still relatively low compared to other countries.LawBeefaroni wrote:I think that's all putting too much weight on not voting Democrats. The biggest problem is the assumption that they outnumber non-voting "deplorable" and Republicans. Because they'll turn out too.
It's not like "if we do this, we will surely win.". It's like "if we do this, there's a chance that we win." But don't count on it.
Fwiw the professional democrats whose podcasts listen to are firmly in the activate non voters above but not instead of convincing on the fence Republicans. The people involved are mostly ex Obama and Clinton staffers.
A link to the media company's podcasts they're good albeit not straight journalism.
https://lists.pocketcasts.com/3119c51a- ... 8181e5ec2c
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I thought about Red Dawn the other day. If it were remade now the Russians could probably win if they didn't team up with Cuba or Latin America and just sent the military hailing from Northern and Central Russia. The teenage Wolverines in the MidWest would find themselves fighting with the older men in militia groups.
.. President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer. He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don’t know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.
Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was “a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.”
“What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”
“As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
Trump: “Thank you very much everybody. We’re doing very well, probably as well as anybody has ever done with Russia. There’s been no President ever as tough as I have been on Russia.
We all know who he cheered for in Rocky IV...hepcat wrote:I thought you served in the military? I'm surprised to see you wanting to swear allegiance to another country in light of that.
Ah well, when watching the original Red Dawn, I always cheered for the U.S of A. I guess you cheered for mother Russia.
Also, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
I like it. Make it so!Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 amAlso, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
Sorry, Canadian bacon becoming the dominant form makes this a nonstarter for me.The Meal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.
And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
The Meal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.
And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
Canadian bacon in Canada is different than Canadian bacon in the US. Another reason Canada should be game for war.stessier wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 amSorry, Canadian bacon becoming the dominant form makes this a nonstarter for me.The Meal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am A poker buddy says that the way out of all of this is to declare War on Canada.
And then immediately and completely surrender. Free healthcare for all! No more pesky southern border crossings (Detroit only). Better hockey coverage. Seems a win win win to me.
All going according to plan.Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:25 pm 34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly described America today
.. President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer. He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don’t know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was “a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.”“What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”“As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
“If my friend Vladimir says there are five lights, then there must have been five lights.”
If only it were that easy- https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/18/ ... -in-three/LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:04 amI like it. Make it so!Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 amAlso, fragment the blue states into new states in order to outnumber the red states until they concede that the Electoral College is a bad idea.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm
This is how it's done. Also try to convince them to call their Congress(wo)men.
You stopped early.El Guapo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:51 am Trump: Russia Is a Friend, Journalists Are the Enemy.
Nothing to worry about here.
I’m taking this to mean expanded nuclear weapons and more cyber attacks, since he modified “terrorism” with “stopping”, but did not with these two.Implementing some of the things discussed... nuclear proliferation, cyber attacks...
Yes.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:41 pm Isn't Russia dead to rights in Brexit too? Many of the same players.
Sigh...House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.
The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”
At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.
Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladimir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.
The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
For everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
Sigh...House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.
The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”
At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.
Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladimir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
EDIT: Some additional info here
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.
The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
More heckling.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pm For everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?
A large canister of helium and a plastic bag.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pmFor everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
Sigh...House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.
The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”
At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.
Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladimir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
EDIT: Some additional info here
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.
The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
I fail to see how Alvin and the Chipmunks are going to sway a corrupt GOP, but hey, you are closer to DC than I am.Fireball wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pmA large canister of helium and a plastic bag.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pmFor everyone pinning their hopes on the November elections...what is plan B?Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm Has this been mentioned yet? The GOP voted to NOT increase election security funding yesterday.
Sigh...House Republicans on Thursday approved a spending bill that excludes new money for election security grants to states, provoking a furious reaction from Democrats amid a national controversy over Russian election interference.
The spending bill passed 217-199. Democrats’ bid to add hundreds of millions more in election spending was rejected 182-232 — as Republicans were unmoved by Democrats floor speeches decrying the funding changes and chanting “USA! USA!”
At issue is a grants program overseen by the federal Election Assistance Commission and aimed at helping states administer their elections and improve voting systems; Democrats want to continue grant funding through 2019, while Republicans say the program already has been fully funded.
Republicans argued strenuously in floor debate Wednesday that states had plenty of money from prior congressional allocations to spend on election improvements. But Democrats accused the Republicans of abetting President Trump in his refusal to take a hard line against Russian President Vladimir Putin at this week’s summit in Helsinki.
EDIT: Some additional info here
If I'm reading this correctly, they're voted to eliminate any federal funding to help states protect voting systems, beginning in FY19 (October 1). Jesus.House Democrats took turns Wednesday requesting a vote on an amendment to fund election systems protection, saying the money is needed to “prevent Russian interference” in future elections.
The procedural moves from Democrats come ahead of a vote on a Republican-led spending bill (HR 6147) that would zero out election security grants that help states to fortify their systems against hacking and cyber attacks. The Election Assistance Commission is funded at $380 million under the fiscal 2018 omnibus spending bill enacted earlier this year.
Make it nitrous oxide and I'm in.
