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"Twitter noting that Trump’s claims about election fraud are disputed."

What is annoying to me is this: Twitter could (in theory) also label the results of the entire election as "disputed", simply because Team Trump is 'disputing them'.

Twitter should make that label a little more accurate and say something like the statement is 'a false claim / made without evidence'.

To gently mention (and I realize they think they are already sticking their neck out already) that Trump's claim is 'disputed' seems to put too much credibility in Trump's claim. IMO.
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I wonder if they'll ban him after he's out of office. He must violate their TOS nearly every day.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:39 pm I wonder if they'll ban him after he's out of office. He must violate their TOS nearly every day.
Pretty sure they've already said he loses his special protections (i.e. public interest) once he's out of office.

Whether they actually have the cojones to ban him - and the eyeballs he brings - is another question entirely.
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Right. But then they are stuck with the problem of letting other people get away with the same kind of tweets.
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Well...that's some take...

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They aren't mutually exclusive positions.
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malchior wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:05 am Well...that's some take...

That's oddly sensationalist for Reuters in my experience. Wouldn't Biden still vow to work with McConnell as Minority leader?
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"Biden claims to be a president for ALL Americans, but he now expects Congress to support HIS policies!!"

This is going to be so annoying.
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Defiant wrote:
As a physician, these stories are infuriating and, in my opinion, incredibly irresponsible of the reporting site or news channel. Most people will never read beyond the sensationalistic headline and will develop false worries about safety of the vaccines.

If you read that linked article, you eventually find out that the affected doctor has a prior history of anyphylactic reaction and carries an epi pen with him...which he immediately used when he started to feel symptoms that are familiar to him from previous reactions. The number of severe reactions is an incredibly small percent of those vaccinated, and pretty much in line with the other vaccines that people receive without any hesitation.

When I received the vaccine yesterday, they specifically asked if I had any prior history of anyphylaxis (which I do not), and I was still asked to sit in a waiting area for 15 minutes after the shot to make sure I was around someone who could help if I had a problem. Today, I'm feeling perfectly fine other than a sore arm and will continue recommending the vaccine to everyone without hesitation.

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disarm wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:36 pm
Defiant wrote:
As a physician, these stories are infuriating and, in my opinion, incredibly irresponsible of the reporting site or news channel. Most people will never read beyond the sensationalistic headline and will develop false worries about safety of the vaccines.
Your anger is one that's also being aired by the public health community at large too. Someone had noted another article naming Guillain-Barre syndrome developing in those being vaccinated. It was pointed out it's being seen at the same rate as general vaccination, so this is expected -- it's not a new or sudden change in an already known effect.

All this does is feed into the anti-vaccination propaganda network.
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Kind of the opposite of a death watch: How Heather Cox Richardson became a breakout star on Substack.

I'd never heard of Substack, but I've read Dr Richardson's "Letters from an American" every morning for probably a year now, as I presume many of you do as well. I'm glad to read that she's so successful. Her Facebook page has >1 million readers, but a substantial fraction are bots and trolls. I expect that she'll pick up a lot of new readers after this NYT profile.
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Terrible headline:

Nurse tests positive for COVID-19 shortly after getting vaccinated

Fortunately, the actual article is decent, pointing out that you develop protection after a few days, and even then, it's not 100% protection (even if you got the second dose which people haven't).
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I can't help but wonder if the big MSM outlets are ever going to take a real accounting of their responsibility for our descent into madness.



Mulvaney essentially went on Chuck Todd and said he saw Trump every day and he never saw the Trump that started that riot. He compared Trump's violent rhetoric as typical politician speak and likened it to constant Republican boogeyperson Maxine Waters. Mulvaney then went on to intimate that this might have been some people who just took Trump too literally. Mulvaney also talked about all the Trump high points and Chuck Todd just nodded along. It's awful.

Edit: To be a little fair to Todd, he occasionally shows some real spine. Just last week he got into an on the air argument with Sen. Johnson about the fraud allegations. That was a rare performance unfortunately. The type of discussion below is the norm for Todd/MTP.
CHUCK TODD:

A lot of people would push back at you and say, "Character is destiny." And in fact, I do -- you've used this eight-month marker. I want -- his rhetoric, incendiary rhetoric goes back far greater than just the last few weeks. Here's some examples.

[BEGIN TAPE]

PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were at a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know. Proud boys, stand back and stand by.

[END TAPE]

CHUCK TODD:

You see where I’m going here. It is one of these things -- you are basically saying, “I didn't see this version of Donald Trump.” A lot of us, with all due respect, said, “Yeah, we, we saw -- this version of Donald Trump, to us, didn't change.” This was the guy we saw celebrating violence in ‘16, and it just sort of carried through to, sadly, this inevitable conclusion.

MICK MULVANEY:

Yeah. And I know it's, I know it's easy for folks now who've never liked the president or always disagreed with his policies or really disliked him as a person to say, “Why didn't everybody see this coming?” But keep in mind, so many of us that worked with him every single day didn't see him through a filter. In fairness, you saw him oftentimes -- you've had some face to face with him -- but most people saw him through the filter of a media that didn't like him very much. We saw him every single day. The reason that I wrote in The Wall Street Journal six weeks ago that I thought the president would leave presidentially is because I had evidence to that end. I had stories. I had background. I had seen that type of president, and I never thought I'd see what I saw on Wednesday. Yes, the rhetoric was very high and very fiery. You and I both know, however, that American politicians do this on a regular basis. I can pull you similar clips of Maxine Waters telling people to take to the streets. It's different though, when as you said in your entry, that people took him literally. I never thought I'd see that. I never thought I’d see a day in our country where people from any side of the political spectrum would storm the Capitol in order to intentionally stop the Constitutional transfer of power, which is part of what was happening on Wednesday. That's what's different, Chuck, that the country is different than I expected. --

CHUCK TODD:

I understand that.

MICK MULVANEY:

-- Maybe we can talk about that as well, but yeah, it's not the same as it was in those previous examples.

CHUCK TODD:

Well, I do also want to give you a chance to respond. Your predecessor, as chief of staff, laid the blame on what he called the "let Trump be Trump" mindset. Here's his explanation, John Kelly.

[BEGIN TAPE]

JOHN KELLY:

My replacement -- well, let me just say, this is what happens. Yesterday and other things he's done in the last two years comes as a result of letting Trump be Trump.

[END TAPE]

CHUCK TODD:

All right, I apologize for that. I'll read you the quote there. "My replacement - well, let me just say, this is what happens when you said let Trump be Trump.” I understand you had some audio issues there. I did too. I think the audience did hear it, for what it's worth, Mr. Mulvaney. So the "let Trump be Trump," mindset, in hindsight, do you wish you had figured out how to create more barriers, more guardrails?

MICK MULVANEY:

No. Not barriers, not guardrails. The president was the elected leader of the nation. It's not the job of the chief of staff to undo that. It's the job of trying to help the president be successful, which I think we were able to do when I -- we had tremendous successes. We had record low rates of unemployment, we had no new foreign wars for the first time in my memory during a presidential term. We had tremendous things to look back on as a success because we were able to work with the president, let him be himself, but also work together to be successful.

Keep in mind John Kelly, and I respect John, he's a tremendous American. But he didn't resign when he was the chief of staff of the president. He warned against yes men. By the way, that is a good and sound warning. And one of the things I'm afraid of is that the West Wing is different now than when John or I was there. The president used to love debate. He would love to get information from all sorts of different sides. I'm not sure that's happening now. And if there just are people there reaffirming and reamplifying what they think he wants them to say.

CHUCK TODD:

Should Donald Trump be ostracized from the Republican Party as you know it?

MICK MULVANEY:

I think it's going to happen anyway. I think the ideas will live on. The ideas of the Republican Party are bigger than one man. But I think if you have any role at all in what happened on Wednesday, that you sort of, you don't deserve to lead the party anymore. The ideas are bigger than the people. But I think, I think the voters will take that into consideration. I can't tell you, when I was elected in the, in the Tea Party wave of 2010, sort of the precursor of the Trump movement, and I can't tell you the number of people who've supported me for a decade who’s saying that Wednesday was a bridge too far. They love Trump, they love the policies, they were really pleased with the successes of the first four years, but he lost them on Wednesday. And I think that's, I think that's the right thing. I think people need to know that what happened on Wednesday is just different.

CHUCK TODD:

Mick Mulvaney, the former White House chief of staff and budget director under President Trump, thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective with us, sir.

MICK MULVANEY:

Thanks, Chuck.
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Separate program but same point as above:







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Voice of America reassigns White House reporter after she sought to question Mike Pompeo

The director of Voice of America ordered the reassignment of a reporter for the international news organization after she sought to ask questions of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo during a VOA-sponsored appearance on Monday, according to several people who attended the event.

Patsy Widakuswara, who covers the White House for VOA, was ordered off the beat by Director Robert Reilly after firing questions at Pompeo after his speech and a brief Q&A session conducted by Reilly.

Pompeo, who had spoken about “American exceptionalism” and criticized oppressive regimes in China, Iran and elsewhere during his appearance, ignored Widakuswara’s questions as he left VOA’s headquarters in Washington.

Reilly, a former VOA director and conservative writer, was appointed to head the government-funded agency last month by Michael Pack, who since June has headed VOA’s parent organization, the U.S. Agency for Global Media.

Pack has ignited several controversies, lawsuits and whistleblower complaints during his short tenure, during which he has attempted to reshape VOA and four other international networks. He has replaced experienced managers with loyalists and has asserted his right to influence editorial judgments, despite regulations prohibiting political influence over news produced by the agencies.

Widakuswara, who declined to comment, has been a VOA employee since 2003 and has covered the White House since mid-2018.

A VOA spokesperson declined to comment. Reilly did not respond to an email requesting comment.

Widakuswara’s reassignment — which appears to be punishment for seeking information from a prominent newsmaker — carries several layers of irony, given the themes of Pompeo’s talk and the issues surrounding his appearance.
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I'm not sure that her reassignment is all that ironic, given how Pompeo feels about VOA.

Pompeo accuses VOA of "demeaning America" in speech that whistleblowers blast as "political propaganda"
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused the Voice of America news service of "demeaning America" in a speech that a watchdog group criticized as "political propaganda" and a violation of the government-funded agency's own rules.

Pompeo delivered remarks in person to a command audience of VOA staff despite the Covid pandemic, urging them to report that "this is the greatest nation the world has ever known." Pompeo did not mention the pandemic, the insurrectionist violence that rocked the Capitol last week, leaving five dead, or President Donald Trump's role in encouraging the chaos.

The speech was broadcast live, worldwide, through VOA channels in more than 40 languages in what the Government Accountability Project, a group representing VOA whistleblowers, called "a violation of law, rule and policy." No questions were allowed after the remarks or the brief on-stage conversation with VOA Director Robert Reilly that followed, giving Pompeo a chance to tout Trump administration policies unchecked.
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