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Re: Iran

Post by Max Peck » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:30 pm

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I'm a little surprised that the Iranians haven't been learning lessons from how North Korea played Trump. Instead of insulting him, the smart move would be to stroke his ego while laying blame for the escalation on the advisors surrounding him.
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Re: Iran

Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:32 pm

Korea started with insults, though (recall "dotard"). Maybe they're following that playbook and then once Trump respects them (because they can insult him?) they'll start playing nice.
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Re: Iran

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Exactly. You start of negging Trump, then he falls in love with you. Classic Pickup Artist move - all Iran needs is a crazy hat to peacock and they're ready.

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Post by Holman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:30 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:35 am
I'm a little surprised that the Iranians haven't been learning lessons from how North Korea played Trump. Instead of insulting him, the smart move would be to stroke his ego while laying blame for the escalation on the advisors surrounding him.
Tehran will never win Trump's heart because Riyadh holds his wallet.
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Re: Iran

Post by Max Peck » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Perhaps, although I'd think that once they realize that flattery actually works on him, they'd just skip ahead and start at that point. Recreating the entire process from scratch is inefficient and unnecessarily increases the probability that he'll wobble too far in the hawk direction and decide to bomb the shit out of them.
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Re: Iran

Post by Holman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:01 pm



They will greet us as liberators!

EDIT: Here. You can see it:

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Re: Iran

Post by Alefroth » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:55 pm

I wish we could see the stupid fuckers who chuckled.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:52 pm

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A former senior commander with Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps has warned it would be Tehran's "duty" to seize a British oil tanker if the Iranian tanker being held in Gibraltar is not released.

The vessel was stormed by British Royal Marines and Gibraltar port and law enforcement agencies in the early hours of Thursday morning as it was believed to have been carrying oil to Syria, in possible violation of European Union sanctions.

Mohsen Rezaee, who is currently Secretary of the Expediency Discernment Council -- an advisory body to Iran's Supreme Leader -- tweeted that "if the UK does not release the Iranian oil tanker, our officials are duty-bound to reciprocate and seize a British oil tanker."

Rezaee previously served as commander of the IRGC and it is unclear if he's currently involved in military decision making.
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Gibraltar's government said in a statement Friday that it is extending the detention of the supertanker by 14 days after obtaining an order from the British territory's Supreme Court.
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While several online shipping trackers say the vessel was sailing under the flag of Panama, the Panama Maritime Authority (PMA) said in a statement that Grace 1's registry was canceled on May 29 after it was notified the ship may be participating or linked to financing terrorism.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:53 pm

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European powers took their first step on Tuesday towards punishing Iran for breaking its nuclear agreement, triggering the deal’s mechanism to resolve breaches.

The foreign ministers of Britain, France and Germany, plus the foreign affairs chief of the European Union, said in a statement that Iran was “pursuing activities inconsistent with its commitments” under the deal, known as the JCPoA.

“These compliance issues must be addressed within the framework of the JCPoA, and a Joint Commission should be convened urgently,” they said.

The three European powers are the remaining Western signatories to Iran’s 2015 nuclear agreement, which was abandoned by the United States last year.

Convening a joint commission of signatories - the Europeans plus Russia and China - is the first step in a process foreseen in the agreement that could eventually lead to a “snapback”, bringing back the international sanctions lifted by the deal.
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The future of the pact has been in doubt since last year when the United States pulled out of it and reimposed unilateral sanctions. Iran has said it wants to continue to abide by the agreement but cannot do so indefinitely if U.S. sanctions prevent it from receiving any of the promised economic benefits.

The deal’s fate has come to a head in the past 10 days, after Iran announced steps that were in violation of its central commitments - it announced that it had amassed more enriched uranium than allowed under the agreement and said it had refined uranium to a higher purity.

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Re: Iran

Post by Zarathud » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:52 pm

Without American influence, diplomacy fails. No wonder the UK Ambassador calls out Trump for being a shitty President.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:35 pm

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The House voted Friday to prevent President Trump from launching into war with Iran without getting Congress’ approval first, after more than two dozen Republicans joined Democrats to include the provision in the House’s annual defense authorization bill.

The move sets up a likely showdown with the Senate over whether the Iran restriction, which includes an exception for cases of self-defense, will be included in the final bill negotiated between the two chambers. Republican leaders in the House and Senate have argued that the language would send a bad message to Tehran that the United States is divided, complicating the president’s ability to manage escalating tensions.
Oh, he's managing to escalate tensions, all right.

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Re: Iran

Post by Max Peck » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:59 am

In the latest dispatch from Captain Obvious:

New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama'
Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal to spite Barack Obama, according to a leaked memo written by the UK's former ambassador in the US.

Sir Kim Darroch described the move as an act of "diplomatic vandalism", according to the Mail on Sunday.

The paper says the memo was written after the then Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson appealed to the US in 2018 to stick with the deal.

The latest leak came despite the Met Police warning against publication.

The first memos criticising President Trump's administration, which emerged a week ago, prompted a furious reaction from the US president and resulted in Sir Kim resigning from his role.
It'll be interesting to see if they ever track down the source for these leaks. So far, the only real impact seems to be to damage relations between the UK and the USA. Кому это выгодно?
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Re: Iran

Post by malchior » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:58 pm

The situation in the Gulf sure seems to be deteriorating quickly.


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Post by msteelers » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:12 pm

malchior wrote:The situation in the Gulf sure seems to be deteriorating quickly.

It seems like war is becoming more and more inevitable.

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Re: Iran

Post by malchior » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:16 pm

Two tankers now - this may be retaliation for the British grabbing an Iranian ship near Gibraltar.


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Post by Daehawk » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:51 pm

Seems Iran is dead set on getting killed. Whats it called?...suicide by stupidity? Iraq was also a member. Pair of anti air shoulder launchers and some marines with MGs fix'm up until then.
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