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Re: Iran

Post by Pyperkub » Mon May 21, 2018 8:35 pm

That's a pretty good article, though I don't think the Saudis and UAE will sit on the sidelines necessarily, and could well side with Israel as they'll be in a very tough position.

I've long felt that Syria was indeed Russia's problem to solve, but per that article, I may have to rethink that.

However, I still feel strongly that if we want peace in the Middle East, and the cessation of Islamic Terror abroad, the ultimate solution is to wean ourselves off of Middle Eastern fossil fuels, and make it so that everyone doesn't need them. If the reserves were worth less than nothing, they money for all of this war (and terrorism) would dry up, IMHO.

Unfortunately, war seems more likely (and may be inevitable anyways, even if the money dries up, because as it does, there will be unification fights over the shrinking scraps...).
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Post by Holman » Mon May 21, 2018 9:06 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:35 pm
However, I still feel strongly that if we want peace in the Middle East, and the cessation of Islamic Terror abroad, the ultimate solution is to wean ourselves off of Middle Eastern fossil fuels, and make it so that everyone doesn't need them. If the reserves were worth less than nothing, they money for all of this war (and terrorism) would dry up, IMHO.
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Post by Defiant » Thu May 24, 2018 8:31 pm

The International Atomic Energy Agency said in Vienna, in its first report since the U.S. withdrawal, that Iran continues to stay below the maximum level to which it can enrich uranium and appears to be fulfilling other obligations.

However, the agency criticizes in the report that Iran is slow when it comes to “complementary access” inspections, which are part of the deal.
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Post by Pyperkub » Thu May 24, 2018 9:01 pm

Holman wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 9:06 pm
Pyperkub wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:35 pm
However, I still feel strongly that if we want peace in the Middle East, and the cessation of Islamic Terror abroad, the ultimate solution is to wean ourselves off of Middle Eastern fossil fuels, and make it so that everyone doesn't need them. If the reserves were worth less than nothing, they money for all of this war (and terrorism) would dry up, IMHO.
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"Our stance against Israel is the same stance we have always taken. #Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated: it is possible and it will happen."
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Post by Defiant » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:39 am

For anyone interested in that treasure trove of intelligence on Iran's nuclear program that was revealed a few months ago, here is an article that discusses some of it, as well as how the operation was carried out.

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Post by Daehawk » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:56 am

Im so glad this was all the post was about. I fear anything new in the world happening because Trump will make anything worse. He has 2 more years at the least to fuck us up more.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:00 pm

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It didn't take long to get the email from the Treasury notifying us that the sanctions were snapping back into place.
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The Trump administration on Monday moved to reimpose the first round of Iranian trade sanctions that had been suspended under the 2015 nuclear agreement, distancing itself from every other country that signed the agreement and putting the accord’s future in jeopardy.

U.S. officials said the sanctions that have been waived for the past two and a half years will be snapped back officially on Tuesday morning at one minute past midnight.

From that moment on, Iran will be prohibited from using U.S. dollars, the primary currency for international financial transactions and oil purchases. Trade in metals and sales of Iranian-made cars will be banned. Permits allowing the import of Iranian carpets and food, such as pistachios, will be revoked. So will licenses that have allowed Tehran to buy U.S. and European aircraft and parts — a restriction that comes just days after Iran completed the acquisition of five new commercial planes from Europe.

Those who don’t comply could be subject to “severe consequences,” President Trump said in a statement. That was directed at European governments that expressed regret over the U.S. sanctions, and vowed to protect their own companies from legal reprisals by the U.S. government.
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Post by Kraken » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:08 pm

My crystal ball foresees a little bump in oil prices (which Republicans always like) and more trade tensions with Europe (whom Trumpsters don't like). I wish that the rest of the world would simply bypass and isolate the US for a few years, but that's not realistic.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:48 pm

It's sanctions all the way down
European firms that stop doing business with Iran because of reimposed U.S. sanctions could in turn be sanctioned by the E.U., a special adviser to the 28-country bloc's top diplomat has warned.

“If E.U. companies abide by U.S. secondary sanctions they will, in turn, be sanctioned by the E.U.," Nathalie Tocci, an aide to E.U. foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, told Britain’s BBC Radio 4 on Monday night.

She characterized the measures as an attempt to "protect European companies.”

Tocci said the move was "necessary in order to signal, diplomatically, to the Iranians that Europeans are serious" about trying to salvage the Iran nuclear deal.
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:48 pm
It's sanctions all the way down
European firms that stop doing business with Iran because of reimposed U.S. sanctions could in turn be sanctioned by the E.U., a special adviser to the 28-country bloc's top diplomat has warned.

“If E.U. companies abide by U.S. secondary sanctions they will, in turn, be sanctioned by the E.U.," Nathalie Tocci, an aide to E.U. foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, told Britain’s BBC Radio 4 on Monday night.

She characterized the measures as an attempt to "protect European companies.”

Tocci said the move was "necessary in order to signal, diplomatically, to the Iranians that Europeans are serious" about trying to salvage the Iran nuclear deal.
Trump's definitely going to be able to get a way better deal this way. It's going to be so easy.

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Re: Iran

Post by Max Peck » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:22 am

Iran nuclear deal: Plan put forward to dodge US sanctions
The remaining members in the Iranian nuclear deal say they will set up a new payment system to maintain business with Iran and bypass US sanctions.

The system would facilitate oil companies and businesses to continue trading, without relying on the US-led global market and dollar.

Exactly how the system would work is still being determined.

Earlier this year, President Donald Trump pulled the US from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and re-imposed sanctions.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of action, as the nuclear deal is officially known, was negotiated during the US presidency of Barack Obama.

It saw Iran limit its nuclear activities in exchange for sanctions relief.

EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini announced the plan after talks at the UN with the remaining members of the accord - Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia.

A statement said they were determined to "protect the freedom of their economic operators to pursue legitimate business with Iran".
This should make for some good drama when Trump takes up the gavel at the Security Council. If nothing else, it seems like it shifts the narrative a little from his prescripted message of "The world is watching you, Iran" to "The world is watching you, America."
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