The Trump foreign policy thread

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:25 pm

Anything Trump reads in that tone of voice was written by someone else anyway, and just by listening you can tell he's reading it for the first time. It's clear that he's bored and annoyed at having to praise someone not named Donald Trump.

Even this bit seems lackluster and tired:
"...and to me it will always be called Columbus Day." [flips page, reads words] "Some people don't like that. I do."

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:56 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:25 pm Anything Trump reads in that tone of voice was written by someone else anyway, and just by listening you can tell he's reading it for the first time. It's clear that he's bored and annoyed at having to praise someone not named Donald Trump.

Yeah it is like hearing a child read their book report out loud. The difference being that the child has ever read a book.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:56 pm

Agree with Holman. I understood what he meant about western civilization, but it's clear from his delivery that Trump didn't understand or care what he was saying, and he resented having to stand there and read it.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:03 pm

I assume he meant Ancient Rome 1922-1943.

I think the end of the clip is really more significant than the Ancient Rome bit.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:06 pm

Italy may not have been at Normandy, but they were at Anzio.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:13 pm

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:15 pm

Fair enough. My frustration meter was pegged (I had just read that ridiculous letter to Ergodan), and I was too quick to judgement.

I do agree that the general delivery of the entire speech was laughable.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:26 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:15 pm I do agree that the general delivery of the entire speech was laughable.

No doubt.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:44 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:21 pm Just when you thought things couldn't get stupider....

Fox:

"I didn't give them a green light," Trump said Wednesday, "and if anybody saw the letter, which can be released very easily if you'd like, I can certainly release it -- but I wrote a letter right after that conversation, a very powerful letter, that was never giving a green light."

"My um... homework? Yeah, I totally did my homework. Oh, I have to use the bathroom real quick..."

*returns 20 mins later, pulls a wet, crumpled letter from pocket*

"Yeah, here's the homework I totally did last night..."

Every day another fucking joke from this idiot. Fake it until you make it. Then destroy a nation.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:15 pm

"I have worked hard to solve some of your problems"

It'd be a shame if some returned.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Wow. Unreal.

Azza · Post by **Azza** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 pm

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:02 am

Per Dem aide:
Schumer to Trump: "Is your plan to rely on the Syrians and the Turks?"
Trump: "Our plan is to keep the American people safe."
Pelosi: "That's not a plan. That's a goal."

Well played, Madam Speaker, well played.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:12 am

Hey, Rip, we're looking pretty strong now, aren't we. Ran from Syria with our tail between our legs. Move was totally unplanned, just read today we had to bomb our own former supply dump because in the rush we had to leave behind a ton of weapons. Also saw a Russian video where Russian troops took over a former US base - it looked like the US left in a rush, totally unorganized retreat, with the Russians virtually mocking the Americans. And now the Saudi's are doubting us because we did nothing when Iran attacked them. So how's this all working out for you now? Think we are still looking strong to the world? How's this working out for you?

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:29 am

Grifman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:12 am Hey, Rip, we're looking pretty strong now, aren't we. Ran from Syria with our tail between our legs. Move was totally unplanned, just read today we had to bomb our own former supply dump because in the rush we had to leave behind a ton of weapons. Also saw a Russian video where Russian troops took over a former US base - it looked like the US left in a rush, totally unorganized retreat, with the Russians virtually mocking the Americans. And now the Saudi's are doubting us because we did nothing when Iran attacked them. So how's this all working out for you now? Think we are still looking strong to the world? How's this working out for you?

You won't get an answer because he would have to admit how wrong he was to vote for Trump. This is something the Trump base simply cannot do. .

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:11 am

Well...that and he hasn't actually been on OO for quite some time.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:07 am

Pretty sure there is a direct connection.
Making that really just the same reason.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am

Grifman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:02 am Per Dem aide:
Schumer to Trump: "Is your plan to rely on the Syrians and the Turks?"
Trump: "Our plan is to keep the American people safe."
Pelosi: "That's not a plan. That's a goal."

Well played, Madam Speaker, well played.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:15 pm

If I was paying someone, would I be wrong to expect that they are working for me?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:21 pm

I love it when Pelosi goes to town on Trump. She runs circles around him.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Mulvaney, at a rare presser today, basically just admitted the quid pro quo.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:23 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:21 pm I love it when Pelosi goes to town on Trump. She runs circles around him.

She does and the fact that it does nothing to phase the GOP or the majority of its voters is dismaying.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:52 pm

Trump and Erdogan just announced a "ceasefire" in northern Syria. Actually it's just a 120-hour halt in operations to give the Kurds time to pull out.

In other words, we just signed off on Turkey's illegal invasion and ethnic cleansing of Kurdish territory, and we're supposed to call it a win.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:01 pm

"To show our appreciation for helping us in our fight against ISIS, you have 5 days to leave your homes and move your families into enemy territory."

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:20 pm

Right, but remember, according to US Senator Rand Paul, the Kurds are better off with Assad than the United States. This is actually what he said.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:27 pm

Where's Paul's neighbor when we need him?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 pm

It's like the elected leadership of Kentucky is intentionally trying to drive me to drink today.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:41 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 pm It's like the elected leadership of Kentucky is intentionally trying to drive me to drink today.

On the plus side, they have plenty of bourbon.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:13 pm

This keeps getting ran past. She called him on being Putin's puppet. To his face. In the White House. She is rapidly becoming one of my favorite people on the planet.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:53 pm

Especially as the swamp has drained directly into the Administration (and back again, when necessary):

At the halfway mark of President Donald Trump’s first term, his administration has hired a lobbyist for every 14 political appointments made, welcoming a total of 281 lobbyists on board, a ProPublica and Columbia Journalism Investigations analysis shows.

With a combination of weakened rules and loose enforcement easing the transition to government and back to K Street, Trump’s swamp is anything but drained. The number of lobbyists who have served in government jobs is four times more than the Obama administration had six years into office. And former lobbyists serving Trump are often involved in regulating the industries they worked for.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 pmThis keeps getting ran past. She called him on being Putin's puppet. To his face. In the White House. She is rapidly becoming one of my favorite people on the planet.

Did you see here Twitter account? Take a look at her new banner picture.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:56 pm
Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 pmThis keeps getting ran past. She called him on being Putin's puppet. To his face. In the White House. She is rapidly becoming one of my favorite people on the planet.
Did you see here Twitter account? Take a look at her new banner picture.

Saw that too but thats just trolling him. This was borderline accusation of his being a Russian asset.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:06 pm

At best, there are three females in this picture. And it's a close bet as to whether the attendees or the busts are the whitest things in the room.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:21 pm

Maddow nailed it in regards to this "ceasefire" that was negotiated (and I use that in the loosest possible sense) by Pence and Pompeo.

(1) turkey wants to push the kurds out of that part of syria.

(2) trump gives ‘em the OK to invade.

(3) pence brokers a “deal” in which the kurds... must get out of that part of syria.

(4) the US agrees to un-sanction turkey.

that’s a “deal” like being mugged is a deal.

Sickening way to treat our Kurdish allies.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:06 pm

At best, there are three females in this picture. And it's a close bet as to whether the attendees or the busts are the whitest things in the room.

Chuck Schumer seems to be enjoying it.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:52 pm

Trump's brain is melting.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:55 pm

It was melted before he took office. It's just that now no one cares. Not even him.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:25 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:52 pm Trump's brain is melting.

On the contrary: He is creating an alternate reality for those who automatically believe everything he says. They are the only ones who matter., and their faith is unshakable.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:35 pm

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:45 pm

BBC

Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."
...
Donald Trump's mixture of threats and locker-room banter infuriated Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. His staff told the BBC that he threw the letter into the bin and launched the Syrian operation the same day. That could be proof there was no Trumpian green light.