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Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:56 am
by LordMortis
He sure did hate "rats" until Barr took over the DOJ, now he wants sources for everything.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:21 am
by pr0ner
Holman wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:33 am
Holman wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:02 pm

I'm willing to bet that this excuse doesn't last 48 hours. Trump can't let people think he's not in the loop on anything, so he'll fall back on denying the FAKE NEWS.
Called it.
He's denying something that isn't even in the NYT report!

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:39 am
by raydude
pr0ner wrote:
Holman wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:33 am
Holman wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:02 pm

I'm willing to bet that this excuse doesn't last 48 hours. Trump can't let people think he's not in the loop on anything, so he'll fall back on denying the FAKE NEWS.
Called it.
He's denying something that isn't even in the NYT report!
He’s trying to change the subject. “I’m not corrupt. They’re corrupt. Ukraine! Hunter! Where’s the server? The emails!!”

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:18 am
by Skinypupy
Trump said the magic words, “fake news”

Down the memory hole it goes for all the MAGAs.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:31 am
by Holman
Just saw pointed out that, when he becomes the nominee, Biden can request a full and complete intelligence briefing. Trump got his in 2016 (and was in fact informed about Russian meddling).

But this is a norm, not a law. Trump's team could deny the briefing to Biden, or they could truncate it or even straight-up lie to him.

I really wonder what evidence they'll be shredding between November and January. Replacing Trump's toadies will be Biden's first job, but the second will be figuring out what actually went down during the past four years.

With all that plus the virus and the economy still problems, Biden is going to have the toughest first year of any president since Lincoln.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 am
by Holman


State of play:

Press Secretary says POTUS and VP were never briefed on Russian bounties on American troops.

POTUS says he was never briefed and strongly hints that it never happened.

Richard Grenell (who was acting DNI from February through May) says he never heard about it.

Russians deny it happened (of course).

British intelligence sources have confirmed that they knew of it.

We don't know yet who the sources were for NYT, WaPo, and WSJ reporting on it (which not only claims that it happened but that Trump was briefed on it).

The story is two days old and we haven't had any comment from Pompeo, Esper, or anyone else in a position to know.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:20 am
by RunningMn9
Holman wrote:Just saw pointed out that, when he becomes the nominee, Biden can request a full and complete intelligence briefing. Trump got his in 2016 (and was in fact informed about Russian meddling).

But this is a norm, not a law. Trump's team could deny the briefing to Biden, or they could truncate it or even straight-up lie to him.

I really wonder what evidence they'll be shredding between November and January. Replacing Trump's toadies will be Biden's first job, but the second will be figuring out what actually went down during the past four years.

With all that plus the virus and the economy still problems, Biden is going to have the toughest first year of any president since Lincoln.
Doesn’t the President-elect immediately start getting intelligence briefings directly from the IC? It doesn’t matter what the current clown show shreds, the IC can just present the same evidence/report to Biden, can’t they?

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:31 am
by Holman
RunningMn9 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:20 am
Holman wrote:Just saw pointed out that, when he becomes the nominee, Biden can request a full and complete intelligence briefing. Trump got his in 2016 (and was in fact informed about Russian meddling).

But this is a norm, not a law. Trump's team could deny the briefing to Biden, or they could truncate it or even straight-up lie to him.

I really wonder what evidence they'll be shredding between November and January. Replacing Trump's toadies will be Biden's first job, but the second will be figuring out what actually went down during the past four years.

With all that plus the virus and the economy still problems, Biden is going to have the toughest first year of any president since Lincoln.
Doesn’t the President-elect immediately start getting intelligence briefings directly from the IC? It doesn’t matter what the current clown show shreds, the IC can just present the same evidence/report to Biden, can’t they?
We'll have to see how far Trump's purge of non-loyalists has gone by then. Someone high up will be in charge of preparing and presenting the briefing.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:06 pm
by Holman

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:20 pm
by LordMortis
Holman wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 am
It wasn't true, and if it was no one tole me, and if they did you didn't get the whole story, which you are not going to get because you'd make it political, aka the "so is your face" defense.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:41 pm
by $iljanus
From the NYT, just who didn’t know that Russia was paying for dead Americans?
WASHINGTON — United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.

Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties since early last year to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/p ... 1a8ffdd726

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:12 pm
by Max Peck
David Frum with the tl;dr:
davidfrum wrote:Benghazi, but real.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:14 pm
by Jaymann
Jaymann wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:49 am
This alone make Benghazi look like a picnic. As I said the death toll is not just from the corona virus.
I called it.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:53 pm
by Isgrimnur
NBC DFW
Joe Biden attacked President Donald Trump on Saturday over a report that he said, if true, contains a “truly shocking revelation” about the commander in chief and his failure to protect U.S. troops in Afghanistan and stand up to Russia.
...
“The truly shocking revelation that if the Times report is true, and I emphasize that again, is that President Trump, the commander in chief of American troops serving in a dangerous theater of war, has known about this for months, according to the Times, and done worse than nothing,” Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, said during a virtual town hall.
...
Biden slammed Trump over his reported failure to act.

“Not only has he failed to sanction and impose any kind of consequences on Russia for this egregious violation of international law, Donald Trump has continued his embarrassing campaign of deference and debasing himself before Vladimir Putin,” the former vice president said.

Biden called it a “betrayal of the most sacred duty we bear as a nation — to protect and equip our troops when we send them into harm’s way.”

He said Americans who serve in the military put their life on the line. “But they should never, never, never ever face a threat like this with their commander in chief turning a blind eye to a foreign power putting a bounty on their heads,” he said.

“I’m quite frankly outraged by the report,” Biden said. He promised that if he is elected, “Putin will be confronted and we’ll impose serious costs on Russia.”

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:14 am
by Holman


Trump is doubling down on denial that the Russians did anything wrong.

That's a bold move when the reporting has reached the point of Pentagon officials confirming it.
Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” longtime political columnist David Ignatius said that his own follow-up on the New York Times’ explosive report that Donald Trump’s administration was well aware that the Russians were offering a bounty for the death of U.S. military members revealed that Pentagon officials have “pounding on the door” and trying to get Donald Trump to do something about it.

“Based on my reporting trying to confirm the New York Times’ excellent story it’s clear in late March you had senior U.S commanders, senior civilian intelligence officials, in effect pounding on the door of the White House saying we need to do something about this, we need to come to a conclusion about what damage the Russian program is doing, we need to reassess our programs in Afghanistan and they couldn’t get an answer,” he reported.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:20 am
by Unagi
And then he retweets Lindsey , who doing his best to spin this into a (D) Congress problem.

It’s so painfully overt.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:22 am
by LordMortis
Holman wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:14 am
Trump is doubling down on denial that the Russians did anything wrong.

Not quite. He's saying the Intel wasn't credible according "intel". One of his typical evasions. "No. I don't take any responsibility at all". A double down on Richard Grenell of leaks and partial reports and not understanding intelligence and playing politics while still evading.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:26 am
by Holman
LordMortis wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:22 am
Not quite. He's saying the Intel wasn't credible according "intel". One of his typical evasions. "No. I don't take any responsibility at all". A double down on Richard Grenell of leaks and partial reports and not understanding intelligence and playing politics while still evading.
Oh, he's a weasel, but there's no doubt "Possibly another fabricated Russia Hoax, maybe by the Fake News NYT" is meant as a denial. "Intel" is just the framing.

The implication is that not only was it not found credible months back (and thus not reported to him), but that it is *still* not something they/he believe is true.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:55 pm
by malchior

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:31 pm
by Holman


Oh hey,Trump is a lying piece of shit who couldn’t care less about troops in harm’s way.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:53 pm
by Smoove_B
He knew is 2019:
Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.
We should look into this John Bolton guy. What ever happened to him?

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:35 am
by hepcat
He was busy screwing over his country by refusing to testify so he could save it for a book and make some cash.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:41 am
by TheMix
hepcat wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:35 am
He was busy screwing over his country by refusing to testify so he could save it for a book and make some cash.
Or perhaps he was paid a bounty? :ninja:

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:45 am
by hepcat
So THAT'S how Melania was able to renegotiate her prenup.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:30 am
by Holman



Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:42 am
by Zarathud
That the President doesn’t acknowledge the intel shows his coverup and inaction.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:49 am
by LawBeefaroni
Zarathud wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:42 am
That the President doesn’t acknowledge the intel shows his coverup and inaction.
If Klink and Schultz had a baby, it would be Trump.

Re: The Trump foreign policy thread

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:14 pm
by Holman