President Pence

[Moliere]

Let's get this party started!

Pence Takes Steps to Build War Chest as White House Stumbles

Pence launched Great America Committee, a leadership PAC, a move that will enable him to channel money to congressional Republicans ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. The political action committee’s registration was posted Wednesday on the Federal Election Commission website.
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“Launching a leadership PAC sometimes signals an intent to run for higher office, which in Pence’s case, has been a topic of public interest ever since he was first nominated,” said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsible Politics, which studies money in politics.

Conservatives begin to whisper: President Pence

[Captain Caveman]

With the news out tonight that Flynn was hired as the NSA even though the Trump team-- with Pence leading the transition-- knew he was actively under federal investigation, it's looking more and more likely that Pence wasn't a victim in the Flynn shenanigans as has been portrayed, but integral to them. He must've known the truth about Flynn all along, which means he was lying when he claimed Flynn kept all of this from him and that's the reason he was fired.

Even more shocking, Flynn also reportedly called off a planned attack on ISIS on Turkey's request, who had been paying Flynn to the tune of half a million dollars.

This stinks to high heaven, and Pence isn't looking that squeaky clean anymore.

[Daehawk]

Krumholz? Now thats quiet a name.

[Enough]

With the news out tonight that Flynn was hired as the NSA even though the Trump team-- with Pence leading the transition-- knew he was actively under federal investigation, it's looking more and more likely that Pence wasn't a victim in the Flynn shenanigans as has been portrayed, but integral to them. He must've known the truth about Flynn all along, which means he was lying when he claimed Flynn kept all of this from him and that's the reason he was fired.

Even more shocking, Flynn also reportedly called off a planned attack on ISIS on Turkey's request, who had been paying Flynn to the tune of half a million dollars.

This stinks to high heaven, and Pence isn't looking that squeaky clean anymore.

Added to this, we already heard last year that Manafort pushed Pence for VP.

[Paingod]

If we rip and shred anyone who's fingers smell like Russia, does that leave DeVos running the country? Which Trump associates don't have Russian on them?

I'm not excited to say "President Pence" and while I'm sure he'll work to set us back 50 years domestically, he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

*Edit: NVM - If they nab Trump and Pence in this, we get President Ryan. I look forward to him slamming his head against ObamaCare for 3 years.

[msteelers]

I'm not excited to say "President Pence" and while I'm sure he'll work to set us back 50 years domestically, he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

I largely agree with you here... but, if Pence is dirty too then Russia would know this and would be able to hold it over his head.

That's why it's so important to thoroughly investigate all of this and find out who is clean, and who is dirty.

[Paingod]

I think he knew more than he wants to admit and his worst crime is that of looking the other way while Trump's team ran amok. I just don't know if that'll generate the headlines needed to force Republicans to turn against him - not after everything that Trump has weathered without flinching.

[Zarathud]

Remember the VP was supposed to be running this show while Trump sat back and basked in the glory.

No way Pence doesn't have the stink of Russia on him, but he'll try to hide behind being a loyal soldier taking orders.

[Remus West]

I think he knew more than he wants to admit and his worst crime is that of looking the other way while Trump's team ran amok. I just don't know if that'll generate the headlines needed to force Republicans to turn against him - not after everything that Trump has weathered without flinching.

Pence does not have the rabid idiot on his side the way Trump does so it won't take nearly as much for the Republicans to turn on him given that they get President Ryan for doing so. Now if Ryan goes down - and depending on the existence of the rumored tapes he very well could - then I doubt they go hard after Pence.

[gilraen]

he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

Well, you never know - since he will insist on dragging his wife to meetings with Teresa May or Angela Merkel or any other dangerous seductive woman that might tempt his Christian morals.

[Holman]

If the usual rule about Christian Right standard-bearers holds, he's got a hard drive full of donkey porn and a lifetime of hush-money payments to donkey prostitutes in his closet.

I give him ten months before the entire cast of Hee-Haw spills everything to Buzzfeed.

[Grifman]

he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

Well, you never know - since he will insist on dragging his wife to meetings with Teresa May or Angela Merkel or any other dangerous seductive woman that might tempt his Christian morals.

Uh, they almost always have interpreters and aides present at those meetings.

[Defiant]

he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

Well, you never know - since he will insist on dragging his wife to meetings with Teresa May or Angela Merkel or any other dangerous seductive woman that might tempt his Christian morals.

Uh, they almost always have interpreters and aides present at those meetings.

To interpret from American to British.

[Paingod]

To interpret from American to British.

Things will go swimmingly as they agree wholeheartedly on banning certain things, until Pence realizes his counterpart was talking about cigarettes.

[Defiant]

To interpret from American to British.

Things will go swimmingly as they agree wholeheartedly on banning certain things, until Pence realizes his counterpart was talking about cigarettes.

[Grifman]

With the news out tonight that Flynn was hired as the NSA even though the Trump team-- with Pence leading the transition-- knew he was actively under federal investigation, it's looking more and more likely that Pence wasn't a victim in the Flynn shenanigans as has been portrayed, but integral to them. He must've known the truth about Flynn all along, which means he was lying when he claimed Flynn kept all of this from him and that's the reason he was fired.

Not necessarily. The info about the investigation was told to Trump's lawyer, Donald McGahn, not to Mike Pence. Given the Trump org disfunction, it is entirely possible that Pence was not told. No one knows to whom or how widely this info was disseminated on the transition team. McGahn knew Trump wanted Pence, it is entirely possible that he told Trump who said, "I don't care" and he did not tell Pence for that reason.

We're all speculating here but until we know more, that's all it is, just speculation.

[Grifman]

he shouldn't endanger our foreign relations like Trump does.

Well, you never know - since he will insist on dragging his wife to meetings with Teresa May or Angela Merkel or any other dangerous seductive woman that might tempt his Christian morals.

Uh, they almost always have interpreters and aides present at those meetings.

To interpret from American to British.

And aides as I note. I was assuming I would not have to state the obvious regarding interpreters but the internet never fails me

[Moliere]

To interpret from American to British.

There's a reason movies with British dialogue need subtitles.

Spoiler:

Yes, I know it's not really British, but Caravan or gypsy slang. Still, sometimes it can be hard to understand what people in England are saying.

[Moliere]

If the usual rule about Christian Right standard-bearers holds, he's got a hard drive full of donkey porn and a lifetime of hush-money payments to donkey prostitutes in his closet.

I give him ten months before the entire cast of Hee-Haw spills everything to Buzzfeed.

Or maybe he is who he says he is?

[gilraen]

If the usual rule about Christian Right standard-bearers holds, he's got a hard drive full of donkey porn and a lifetime of hush-money payments to donkey prostitutes in his closet.

I give him ten months before the entire cast of Hee-Haw spills everything to Buzzfeed.

Or maybe he is who he says he is?

Disgusting piece of shit hiding his hypocrisy behind religious fanaticism? Why yes, yes, he is.

[Paingod]

If the usual rule about Christian Right standard-bearers holds, he's got a hard drive full of donkey porn and a lifetime of hush-money payments to donkey prostitutes in his closet.

I give him ten months before the entire cast of Hee-Haw spills everything to Buzzfeed.

Or maybe he is who he says he is?

An antiquated religious relic, hungry to push his morals on everyone in the country? I'd rather find the donkeys.

[Defiant]

To interpret from American to British.

There's a reason movies with British dialogue need subtitles.

Spoiler:

Yes, I know it's not really British, but Caravan or gypsy slang. Still, sometimes it can be hard to understand what people in England are saying.

Not to mention Welsh or Scottish or Polari. (and, as pointed out above, British slang)

[Grifman]

An antiquated religious relic, hungry to push his morals on everyone in the country? I'd rather find the donkeys.

Please, the Religious Right has no monopoly on forcing their morals on others. There's plenty of that on the left. In fact the whole point of political power is to see your world view reflected in governmental policy. That's why liberals and conservatives run for office. So you can get off your high horse right now.

[Kurth]

An antiquated religious relic, hungry to push his morals on everyone in the country? I'd rather find the donkeys.

In fact the whole point of political power is to see your world view reflected in governmental policy. That's why liberals and conservatives run for office.

Therefore . . . Equivalence???

Reminds me of a really important point my brother-in-law once made about global warming: "If global warming is actually caused by man, and humans are just animals, then global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon."

[Smoove_B]

Reminds me of a really important point my brother-in-law once made about global warming: "If global warming is actually caused by man, and humans are just animals, then global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon."

Yeah, those cyanobacteria really screwed it up for everyone. If you'd prefer something less technical, check here.

Also, President Pence would be awful. A different awful than President Trump, but awful nonetheless. I am confident anyone tied to the Trump administration is going to be stained with Trump's name and useless at a national level.

[Paingod]

So you can get off your high horse right now.

I like it up here.

In my mind, Democrats push an agenda of acceptance, inclusion, and generally improved welfare for as many people as they can. While I don't agree with some things they chase, I agree with them more overall than I do with Republicans. I think they can be too soft on some issues. I think they often reach too far, but with "generally" good intent (as good as any politician's motivations can be). Call them "Liberal" and it just seems like an insulting way to say "Inclusive". I'm actually fine with paying a higher tax burden to improve the welfare of our country as a whole.

Again, based on how I interpret what I see, Republicans tend to be self-serving and shortsighted - trying hard to create policies that fit antiquated theories instead of pushing for people to evolve. Mostly they seem concerned with either money or power, or envy those with money and power. I will never for the life of me be able to explain why someone who needs the programs and services Democrats put into place would register as a Republican. Call them "Conservative" but that just seems a nice way of saying "Selfish"

In my limited experience, Republicans seem to be more openly religious and seem to want to force others to follow the arbitrary guidelines established by their own personal Flying Spaghetti Monsters. As an atheist, I've always thought religion originated as a tool of those that wanted power over the less educated and informed - and I assume that at some point in history, it will become a minority movement and eventually a footnote of human evolution.

Pence is very much the worst of everything I can imagine at the helm of politics - and I'd rather have him there than Trump.

[hepcat]

On the plus side, we could start calling him President Dense.

[Paingod]

On the plus side, we could start calling him President Dense.

I prefer to call him "PP" - it's what happens when Trump's #2 becomes #1.

[Grifman]

An antiquated religious relic, hungry to push his morals on everyone in the country? I'd rather find the donkeys.

In fact the whole point of political power is to see your world view reflected in governmental policy. That's why liberals and conservatives run for office.

Therefore . . . Equivalence???

Reminds me of a really important point my brother-in-law once made about global warming: "If global warming is actually caused by man, and humans are just animals, then global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon."

His criticism what not of specific policies but that Pence sought impose his "morals" on others. In that one respect, yes, "equivalence", most assuredly so. One can argue which party has the best policies, but to act that Pence is an outlier in trying to see his views reflected in government defies the entire purpose of politics. As I noted, it's not as if liberals aren't trying to do the same.

[Grifman]

So you can get off your high horse right now.

In my mind, Democrats push an agenda of acceptance, inclusion, and generally improved welfare for as many people as they can. While I don't agree with some things they chase, I agree with them more overall than I do with Republicans. I think they can be too soft on some issues. I think they often reach too far, but with "generally" good intent (as good as any politician's motivations can be). Call them "Liberal" and it just seems like an insulting way to say "Inclusive". I'm actually fine with paying a higher tax burden to improve the welfare of our country as a whole.

Your criticism was not about specific policies but that Pence, how dare he, try to see his views reflected in govt, as if that was something strange or unusual or out of line. It's not, it's the entire purpose of politics.

Please note, I wouldn't favor many of Pence's policies either.

In my limited experience, Republicans seem to be more openly religious and seem to want to force others to follow the arbitrary guidelines established by their own personal Flying Spaghetti Monsters. As an atheist, I've always thought religion originated as a tool of those that wanted power over the less educated and informed - and I assume that at some point in history, it will become a minority movement and eventually a footnote of human evolution.

I'm not sure that arbitrary guidelines established by your personal opinion are any better than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. As for your view of religion, that's one man's opinion. Atheism has been a tool also used for decades by most Communist countries to terrorize and imprison and kill many. After all, man is just another economic input. Their track record is certainly pretty bad

[Max Peck]

An antiquated religious relic, hungry to push his morals on everyone in the country? I'd rather find the donkeys.

In fact the whole point of political power is to see your world view reflected in governmental policy. That's why liberals and conservatives run for office.

Therefore . . . Equivalence???

Reminds me of a really important point my brother-in-law once made about global warming: "If global warming is actually caused by man, and humans are just animals, then global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon."

His criticism what not of specific policies but that Pence sought impose his "morals" on others. In that one respect, yes, "equivalence", most assuredly so. One can argue which party has the best policies, but to act that Pence is an outlier in trying to see his views reflected in government defies the entire purpose of politics. As I noted, it's not as if liberals aren't trying to do the same.

Yes, but what's your point, aside from sophomoric trolling? It's obvious that he objected to what he perceives to be Pence's goals, not the fact that Pence has goals.

[Paingod]

Atheism has been a tool also used for decades by most Communist countries to terrorize and imprison and kill many. After all, man is just another economic input. Their track record is certainly pretty bad

I'm gonna let you finish, dawg, but first I'm gonna have to have my head a'splode. I never knew "atheism" (almost by definition, being freed of thought leadership) was somehow used to abuse people. So confused. I was never "indoctrinated" into atheism. I simply rejected the concept of god(s).

[Moliere]

Atheism has been a tool also used for decades by most Communist countries to terrorize and imprison and kill many. After all, man is just another economic input. Their track record is certainly pretty bad

I'm gonna let you finish, dawg, but first I'm gonna have to have my head a'splode. I never knew "atheism" (almost by definition, being freed of thought leadership) was somehow used to abuse people. So confused. I was never "indoctrinated" into atheism. I simply rejected the concept of god(s).

Communists didn't kill people in the name of Atheism. They just happened to be both assholes and atheists.

[Remus West]

On the plus side, we could start calling him President Dense.

I prefer to call him "PP" - it's what happens when Trump's #2 becomes #1.

Stealing this.

[Paingod]

Communists didn't kill people in the name of Atheism. They just happened to be both assholes and atheists.

That I can believe.

[Kraken]

Pence is very much the worst of everything I can imagine at the helm of politics - and I'd rather have him there than Trump.

Given a choice between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil, I'll take the latter, because with no direction it's less likely to accomplish anything.

[Defiant]

Communists didn't kill people in the name of Atheism.

They didn't?

(Spoilers: They did)

[Moliere]

Communists didn't kill people in the name of Atheism.

They didn't?

(Spoilers: They did)

They viewed religious groups as competitors to the state religion of communism. It's not the same thing as killing in the name of Jesus.

[Holman]

I'd say communist regimes opposed religion because it was officially against Marxist doctrine but principally because it offered a competing basis for identity, loyalty, and critique of the regime.

So, yes, they opposed religion categorically. But they weren't killing people "in the name of atheism" so much as in the name of the party's absolute monopoly on values and truth.

The test of this is that you could be the most thoroughgoing atheist and still be killed for plenty of other reasons (say, belonging to an independent trade union or political faction). Atheism as such wasn't the point.

[Blackhawk]

If we rip and shred anyone who's fingers smell like Russia, does that leave DeVos running the country?

So say we all!