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The "unmasking" scandal is a bust:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/politics ... index.html

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Grifman wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:23 pmTrump's counter investigations aren't going very well.
A crazy grandpa screaming delusional accusations from his front porch tends to get far more wrong than right.

I'm personally surprised they didn't even have a single thread to tug on just for a little show, though. Trump really needs people to see his opposition as working to cripple him so it's not his fault when he loses.
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Trump declassifying the unmasked list in 3...
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Defiant wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:21 am
Holman wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:56 am
A judge has asked the WH to clarify whether a POTUS tweet actually counts as an order to declassify.
I would hope it wouldn't, as a twitter account could always been hacked.
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Would have been delicious if some 14 year old griefer had guessed it and Tweeted out mounds of random nonsense. Well, more nonsense than there is normally. Something to make coveffe and "good people on both sides" look like cotton candy.
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Defiant wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:25 am
Defiant wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:21 am
Holman wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:56 am
A judge has asked the WH to clarify whether a POTUS tweet actually counts as an order to declassify.
I would hope it wouldn't, as a twitter account could always been hacked.
President Trump’s Twitter accessed by security expert who guessed password ‘maga2020!’
The article is hilarious. Hackers get access to your accounts. Those same hackers suggest a new password you can use to keep it safe. You then use the password the hackers gave you. Lo and behold, those same hackers somehow guess your new password. Hmm. :think:
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Paingod wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:28 am Would have been delicious if some 14 year old griefer had guessed it and Tweeted out mounds of random nonsense. Well, more nonsense than there is normally. Something to make coveffe and "good people on both sides" look like cotton candy.
Wonder how long it would take for anyone to notice.
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Paingod wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:28 am Would have been delicious if some 14 year old griefer had guessed it and Tweeted out mounds of random nonsense. Well, more nonsense than there is normally. Something to make coveffe and "good people on both sides" look like cotton candy.
Honestly, someone could have tweeted out "Stimulus deal done! $1200!" or "New tariffs on all Chinese goods!" and made millions on the resulting market moves if they knew what they were doing.
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Makes my brain hurt, that level of incompetence.

His next password is probably "ivanka2024!"

If you get in with that and rig the market, send me a check - okay?
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Paingod wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:03 pm Makes my brain hurt, that level of incompetence.

His next password is probably "ivanka2024!"

If you get in with that and rig the market, send me a check - okay?
If he tweets out "Paingoooooooooood!!!!!!" you'll know it work.


Also, after that, could you guys get a pool together to bail me out please?
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I'm parking this here because only something that leads to locking Trump up reforms "anonymous" for me. Otherwise, this is just a cheap exit strategy.

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Look, I'll say that this is the very last chance for Anonymous to actually do some good. If he waits until after the election to step out publicly, then he's completely worthless.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:30 pmLook, I'll say that this is the very last chance for Anonymous to actually do some good. If he waits until after the election to step out publicly, then he's completely worthless.
Days before the election and with no way to possibly recover in time is the perfect moment to drop a bomb.

Problem is, Trump's whole presidency is a fucking crater-filled field littered with bombshells, some that have gone off and some that haven't. Whatever it is, it won't move the needle.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:30 pm Look, I'll say that this is the very last chance for Anonymous to actually do some good. If he waits until after the election to step out publicly, then he's completely worthless.
*or she* but I'm going to be really disappointed if Anonymous is Kellyanne. That said, unless it's a bombshell that really impacts the election a al the Comey letter, the timing makes it seem like the person what's to redeem their chance of being looked upon favorably if Trump loses.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:30 pm Look, I'll say that this is the very last chance for Anonymous to actually do some good. If he waits until after the election to step out publicly, then he's completely worthless.
*or she* but I'm going to be really disappointed if Anonymous is Kellyanne.
That wouldn't shock me in the least.

At this point, even if she comes out with video evidence of Trump eating babies, I don't think it would move the needle much.
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Skinypupy wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:52 pm
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:30 pm Look, I'll say that this is the very last chance for Anonymous to actually do some good. If he waits until after the election to step out publicly, then he's completely worthless.
*or she* but I'm going to be really disappointed if Anonymous is Kellyanne.
That wouldn't shock me in the least.

At this point, even if she comes out with video evidence of Trump eating babies, I don't think it would move the needle much.
That depends. What color are the babies?
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Roman wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:34 pm Miles Taylor is 'Anonymous'

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... aylor.html
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That was ... pretty anti-climatic. In the pro column, he was organizing Republicans against Trump. In the negative column, the need for secrecy was non-existent throughout the summer and breaking cover does little but give Trump some air cover with his base that the deep state is out to get him. I'm scratching my head on this one.
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Miles Taylor was the former Trump official that came out publicly earlier this year, right? He just hadn't identified himself as Anonymous yet?

I give him a lot of credit for coming out earlier this year. I don't give him any (possibly negative credit) for the anonymous crap. I also assume that revealing that now is mostly out of self-interest (better that he reveal it now than people figure it out later).
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He has already been a pretty vocal anti-Trumpist for months. Considering the speculation at the time that it was someone really high up, possibly Pence's Chief of Staff or even Pence himself (loadstar!), this is a pretty big letdown.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:44 pm Miles Taylor was the former Trump official that came out publicly earlier this year, right? He just hadn't identified himself as Anonymous yet?

I give him a lot of credit for coming out earlier this year. I don't give him any (possibly negative credit) for the anonymous crap. I also assume that revealing that now is mostly out of self-interest (better that he reveal it now than people figure it out later).
Yeah, he did a whole gamut of anti-Trump media appearances months ago. I wonder why he didn't own the book back then.

Maybe knowing the author would have exposed other Trump-averse staffers still working in the administration?
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Ah. We found the Trump crime they're projecting onto Hunter Biden.

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i just decided to randomly search to see what's up with Mueller Report lately, and what do you know - a 'less redacted' version was released just this Monday.... didn't hear about it at all.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/politics ... index.html
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Some interesting analysis on why Trump should be indicted now, in order to set presidence that a sitting President who commits crimes is not above the law.

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Given Biden's speech last night, I don't think a pardon is off the table. There is both good and bad to that.

The biggest keys for me are that forgiveness requires an admission of guilt and repentance. On behalf of the enablers as well.

I don't think the Trumps or anyone in his administration are capable of this, and without it, Biden world be making a HUGE mistake and enabling Trump 2.0 in the Georgia runoff, McConnell until there is dirt on his grave, 2022 and 2024.
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Perhaps trump's shrewdest move would be to resign, confess guilt, and get a pardon from Pence. Fortunately his ego precludes this.
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Jaymann wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:14 pm Perhaps trump's shrewdest move would be to resign, confess guilt, and get a pardon from Pence. Fortunately his ego precludes this.
Plus considering how many state AGs are gunning for him now, Pence's pardon would be moot in a practical sense.
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gilraen wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:33 pm
Jaymann wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:14 pm Perhaps trump's shrewdest move would be to resign, confess guilt, and get a pardon from Pence. Fortunately his ego precludes this.
Plus considering how many state AGs are gunning for him now, Pence's pardon would be moot in a practical sense.
So even if Biden is silly enough to pardon his federal offenses...
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What federal charges could realistically come up against Trump based on the past four years?

We all know he's an asshole with cruel, terrible, stupid policies, but cruel and terrible and stupid policies aren't really felonies. We all know he lies as regularly as breathing, but he has been careful to keep himself from going under oath.

His whole administration was an abuse of power designed to enrich himself and hurt his enemies and provide cover for it all, but I imagine that putting together that criminal case would be a much more complex task than the straight-up tax crimes, fraud, and money laundering that are already waiting for him in NY.
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Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:49 pm What federal charges could realistically come up against Trump based on the past four years?
A fairly comprehensive list - most of it does revolve around finances and fraud, under federal statutes.
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gilraen wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:54 pm
Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:49 pm What federal charges could realistically come up against Trump based on the past four years?
A fairly comprehensive list - most of it does revolve around finances and fraud, under federal statutes.
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Let's hear it for Senator Long of Missouri and LBJ for the Freedom of Information Act!
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