That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
This. Which is how it's supposed to work anyway.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics ... index.htmlThe Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics ... index.html
I saw that in a tweet yesterday and loved it.Skinypupy wrote:Someone just referred to Trump's kids as "Traitor Tots" and I can't stop laughing.
The longtime aide to “Putin’s Congressman” Dana Rohrabacher died suddenly from a head injury over the weekend.
Paul Behrends was found by emergency responders close to his home on Friday night with severe head trauma. He was taken to a local hospital where surgeons fought to save him, but he passed away on Saturday, according to a spokesman for Rohrabacher.
Behrends was a controversial figure on Capitol Hill who lost his job as staff director for the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee after The Daily Beast reported on his links to Trump Tower lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya’s operation in the U.S.
etc etcBehrends made headlines for the first time in July 2017, after Veselnitskaya’s explosive June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Jared Kushner, Donald Trump Jr., and then Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was exposed. The meeting subsequently shone a light on Behrends’ own Russian entanglements.
Behrends had traveled to Moscow with Rohrabacher in April 2016, a few months before that meeting. In Russia, they were given a document from the Prosecutor General’s Office marked “confidential,” which included details of the Kremlin’s battle against U.S. sanctions and a pro-Kremlin propaganda movie.
When they returned to D.C., Rohrabacher cited those Kremlin’s talking points as he delayed the passage of the Global Magnitsky Act.
No harm, no foul.Defiant wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:25 amPresident Trump’s Twitter accessed by security expert who guessed password ‘maga2020!’
Dutch prosecutors have found a hacker did successfully log in to Donald Trump's Twitter account by guessing his password - "MAGA2020!"
But they will not be punishing Victor Gevers, who was acting "ethically".
Mr Gevers shared what he said were screenshots of the inside of Mr Trump's account on 22 October, during the final stages of the US presidential election.
But at the time, the White House denied it had been hacked and Twitter said it had no evidence of it.
Neither The White House nor Twitter has responded to requests for further comment.
Mr Kushner allegedly helped establish the company in 2018 and Mr Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump was installed as president, vice president Mike Pence’s nephew John Pence as vice president, and Trump campaign CFO Sean Dollman as treasurer and secretary.
Because they’ve skated by their entire lives doing shady shit with absolutely zero consequences. And, for the most part, that trend has continued throughout this administration.
This and the fact that there is next to no chance that that reality will change. Nothing is going to happen to these people. Law and order is for the peasants.
Do they? Relative to the rates and punishments for poor people, i would expect rich people to have much lower rates of prosecution/ incarceration. Hence the golden parachute jokes.Unagi wrote:Of course, that statement isn’t true though.
Rich people do get busted ‘all the time’.
I mean, why will this be ignored by the law ?
I don’t want to sound ignorant, but I don’t accept that the rich can do what ever they want.
Well, I certainly realize that the rich get away with more, but that they all get away with everything isn't really the case - and yes, for the reasons you speak of - mostly 'there access to money gets them better representation'. Which isn't the same as them just bribing a judge, or something...Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:30 amDo they? Relative to the rates and punishments for poor people, i would expect rich people to have much lower rates of prosecution/ incarceration.Unagi wrote:Of course, that statement isn’t true though.
Rich people do get busted ‘all the time’.
I mean, why will this be ignored by the law ?
I don’t want to sound ignorant, but I don’t accept that the rich can do what ever they want.
It was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
As to the golden parachute, yes and.Unagi wrote:Well, I certainly realize that the rich get away with more, but that they all get away with everything isn't really the case - and yes, for the reasons you speak of - mostly 'there access to money gets them better representation'. Which isn't the same as them just bribing a judge, or something...Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:30 amDo they? Relative to the rates and punishments for poor people, i would expect rich people to have much lower rates of prosecution/ incarceration.Unagi wrote:Of course, that statement isn’t true though.
Rich people do get busted ‘all the time’.
I mean, why will this be ignored by the law ?
I don’t want to sound ignorant, but I don’t accept that the rich can do what ever they want.
Don't get me wrong, I get it, and I agree - but I do like to think that they are still held to the light... and that the law still applies to them.
I've always understood 'a golden parachute' to be some clause in an executive's work contract - where if he/she is terminated, the company still has to pay them a ton of money (or anything resembling such an agreement.) Having absolutely nothing at all to do with the law or crime.
Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Nader, George Papadopolous, and Michael Aventatti disagree with this assessment.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 amIt was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
Eh, this list has some significant flaws in it. There is some accountability mixed in there but more than half of these got slaps on the wrist or sprung corruptly by Trump to stop him from being in the crosshairs for his crimes. Considering the many violations of campaign finance law, the Hatch act, other financial crimes, etc. this list is far too short by a long shot. That very well might corrected by the incoming administration but I won't hold my breath.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:27 amRoger Stone, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Nader, George Papadopolous, and Michael Aventatti disagree with this assessment.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 amIt was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
Stop moving the goal posts. Not everyone is going to be held accountable for everything - that's true for both the poor and rich. The lists shows that rich people are held accountable by the courts. The courts can't help that the President has a practically unfettered power to protect his minions.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 pmEh, this list has some significant flaws in it. There is some accountability mixed in there but more than half of these got slaps on the wrist or sprung corruptly by Trump to stop him from being in the crosshairs for his crimes. Considering the many violations of campaign finance law, the Hatch act, other financial crimes, etc. this list is far too short by a long shot. That very well might corrected by the incoming administration but I won't hold my breath.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:27 amRoger Stone, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Nader, George Papadopolous, and Michael Aventatti disagree with this assessment.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 amIt was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
I'm not moving any goal posts and I never argued that.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:53 pmStop moving the goal posts. Not everyone is going to be held accountable for everything - that's true for both the poor and rich.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 pmEh, this list has some significant flaws in it. There is some accountability mixed in there but more than half of these got slaps on the wrist or sprung corruptly by Trump to stop him from being in the crosshairs for his crimes. Considering the many violations of campaign finance law, the Hatch act, other financial crimes, etc. this list is far too short by a long shot. That very well might corrected by the incoming administration but I won't hold my breath.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:27 amRoger Stone, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Nader, George Papadopolous, and Michael Aventatti disagree with this assessment.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 amIt was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
I never argued it was the courts. I said system intentionally. The courts are only part of the process. They've largely held and have been impartial to the law...mostly aside from some troubling exceptions. However, as the links above show the rich have historically had a massive advantage over the poor in this system. That is just a fact. The point being made is that this is a *system-wide* problem. If you focus on the courts then you miss the picture. Focus on the DOJ. Focus on the pardon power. Same problems. When you widen out the lens and see what is actually happening we have a clear picture of fairly rampant abuse of the system by the rich and powerful. They control policy, they evade taxes openly and mostly without consequence, prosecutors are gun shy and won't investigate them often times, etc.The lists shows that rich people are held accountable by the courts. The courts can't help that the President has a practically unfettered power to protect his minions.
I didn't do that. To quote myself,Just say you wish more people would be held accountable for the many crimes committed rather than speaking in absolutes.
It was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd.
I'm not moving any goal posts and I'm not arguing that.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:53 pmStop moving the goal posts. Not everyone is going to be held accountable for everything - that's true for both the poor and rich.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 pmEh, this list has some significant flaws in it. There is some accountability mixed in there but more than half of these got slaps on the wrist or sprung corruptly by Trump to stop him from being in the crosshairs for his crimes. Considering the many violations of campaign finance law, the Hatch act, other financial crimes, etc. this list is far too short by a long shot. That very well might corrected by the incoming administration but I won't hold my breath.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:27 amRoger Stone, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Nader, George Papadopolous, and Michael Aventatti disagree with this assessment.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 amIt was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd. Of course, they can't do whatever they want. There are consequences for some actions. Call it a rule of thumb though that usually holds up instead if that helps. The point is that justice in our system has been perverted to the extent that certain crimes -- a good example is tax evasion -- are rampant now. The wealthy and powerful are breaking the law in plain sight and nothing happens. We literally just saw 4 years of it.
I never argued it was the courts. I said system intentionally. The courts are only part of the process. They've largely held and have been impartial to the law...mostly aside from some troubling exceptions. However, as the links above show the rich have historically had a massive advantage over the poor in this system. That is just a fact. The point being made is that this is a *system-wide* problem. If you focus on the courts then you miss the picture. Further, a focus on the DOJ or the pardon power have the same problems. When you widen out the lens and see what is actually happening ,we have a clear picture of fairly rampant abuse of the system by the rich and powerful. They control policy, they evade taxes relatively openly and mostly without consequence because the IRS has been defanged, and prosecutors are gun shy and won't investigate them often times, etc.The lists shows that rich people are held accountable by the courts. The courts can't help that the President has a practically unfettered power to protect his minions.
I didn't do that. To quote myself,Just say you wish more people would be held accountable for the many crimes committed rather than speaking in absolutes.
It was never meant as a literal statement of absolute truth. That's absurd.
Biden should dismantle Academi and Frontier. Let them all operate from Russia. Reason I don't know how many why I don't run things. I'd be seizing the wealth of *soooo* many and putting in the US general fund.The pardons of former campaign aide George Papadopoulos, former US congressmen Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins, and the four Blackwater guards involved in the Iraq massacre kick off what is expected to be a flurry of pardons and commutations in the coming weeks as Trump concludes his term.
Also included in the batch announced on Tuesday are Alex van der Zwaan, the Dutch lawyer who was sentenced to 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to lying to Mueller investigators; two Border Patrol agents convicted in 2006 of shooting and wounding an unarmed undocumented immigrant and then covering it up; and several people convicted of non-violent drug crimes serving lengthy sentences.
The pardons came at the recommendation of Trump allies in Congress and, in some cases, the conservative media. Many of the non-violent drug offenders were recommended for clemency by Alice Johnson, the former federal inmate whose sentence Trump commuted at the urging of Kim Kardashian West.