John McCain brain cancer.......now RIP

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:39 pm

I know there has been talk in the randomness thread but thought the guy deserved a thread out where it can be seen. I hate government but McCain, even with his quirks and strangeness at times, is a guy I like. I respect him and his stances and history. I give him a break being 80 years old and doing as well as he does in politics.

Anyways he has what is basically terminal brain cancer. Survival rates are usually a small couple years. They give him 6-15 months I read some place. They didn't discover it until he had a blood clot removed from his head.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/heal ... ancer.html

I wish him well. I cant fathom how it must be for him right now.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm

I respected him until he ran with Palin and went off the rails. Even leaned toward voting for him until then. Since then he's bounced erratically between party loyalist/leader and the old "maverick" image that I used to like. Never wished him any ill, though.

Still appreciate that his life has been mostly devoted to public service and he has more integrity than most of his peers. Recovery probably isn't in the cards so I wish him a graceful and painless exit.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:38 pm

I read an interesting article that McCain's not as much of a maverick but willing to work behind the scenes to shore up Republican dissenters who are too afraid of leadership to come out publicly. McCain then comes out to take the heat, using his public image to force Republican leadership to course correct. When McCain "goes Maverick," he has others standing behind him.

McCain is a Republican who places policy above party. Losing him is going to be a long-term problem for Republican moderates.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:47 pm

Losing him is going to be a long-term problem for American citizens.

FTFY...though what it originally said is true too.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:17 pm

His legacy would be a lot stronger if he hadn't thrust the dipshit into the spotlight, but I wish the best for him and his family.

I'm sure you're all as shocked as I that PGOTUS hasn't bothered to tweet a word.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:21 pm

tgb wrote:I'm sure you're all as shocked as I that PGOTUS hasn't bothered to tweet a word.

Aside from these ones...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1109940225

@realDonaldTrump wrote:Melania and I send our thoughts and prayers to Senator McCain, Cindy, and their entire family. Get well soon.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:22 pm

To be fair, he released a statement wishing him well, and he called him personally too.

Edit: d'oh...max beat me to the punch.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:39 pm

OK. I missed that and stand corrected.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:31 am

Daehawk wrote:I know there has been talk in the randomness thread but thought the guy deserved a thread out where it can be seen. I hate government but McCain, even with his quirks and strangeness at times, is a guy I like. I respect him and his stances and history. I give him a break being 80 years old and doing as well as he does in politics.

I feel the same way about college/professional sports and Joe Paterno, but then I was never rooting for a team that he consistently beat down which is what I truly believe drives all the loathing directed his way. Where as McCain never posed much of a threat to the opposition.

I believe McCain probably never expected to leave the Hanoi Hilton so every moment since then has probably seemed like a gift. I wish him a painless trip.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:55 am

em2nought wrote: Where as McCain never posed much of a threat to the opposition.

Sad that his opposition was his own party.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:44 pm

em2nought wrote:
I feel the same way about college/professional sports and Joe Paterno, but then I was never rooting for a team that he consistently beat down which is what I truly believe drives all the loathing directed his way.

Well, it's been a while since a Paterno team consistently beat down opponents. I think most of the recent loathing was from the fact that he turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of minors for like 10 years.

Comparing McCain to Paterno is a strange choice.

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:50 pm

I liked McCain as a strong Republican challenger in 2000, then he got turdblossomed and it seems like he never recovered after that. Whatever Rove did to him, it cut him deep.

Other than the fact that he's always been a HAWK! (but really, who wouldn't expect that from him) to me it seemed like he genuinely tried to represent his constituents, unlike Yertle and SpeakerBro right now.

Good luck, McCain!

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:10 pm

tgb wrote:OK. I missed that and stand corrected.

quit slouching

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:20 am

JOHN MCCAIN CANCER IS ‘GODLY JUSTICE’ FOR CHALLENGING TRUMP, ALT-RIGHT CLAIMS

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:59 pm

Defiant wrote:JOHN MCCAIN CANCER IS ‘GODLY JUSTICE’ FOR CHALLENGING TRUMP, ALT-RIGHT CLAIMS

Surprised then that the incidence rate of that tumor isn't a whole lot higher.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:52 pm

You all need to check out the speech he just gave on the Senate floor.

It's the McCain once admired.

Most excellent speech, imo.
the full speech

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:58 pm

Unagi wrote:You all need to check out the speech he just gave on the Senate floor.

It's the McCain once admired.

Most excellent speech, imo.

Good thing words speak louder than actions.

Sorry for the snark but he just voted to move forward on a process that could take health care away from millions. Everything he decried about the awfulness of the process needed to have been backed up with a no vote. That stands even if he ends up voting against the final product, which given his track record, is not a forgone conclusion.

Of course, this criticism takes nothing away from his incredible service and sacrifice in other areas. But on this one thing, his speech for me is undermined by his earlier vote.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:28 pm

I thought he declared he was a No vote.?
(sorry, I had not been aware of his previous vote)

I agree with your snark.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:52 pm

If I was being generous I'd say his speech was his way of saying - I'm going to give you guys a chance to do the right thing. Since something needs to be done anyway. And that is somewhat true but there is no looming failure. He is putting faith in a lot that are villainous in general. The time for the benefit of doubt is over - both for him and the whole lot.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:00 pm

He's trying to have it both ways: loyalty to party/president (the vote) and high principles (the speech). He doesn't understand that these are now completely incompatible.

McCain is a complex figure worthy of a novel. But remember that when he thought it was his time to lead, he reached for Sarah Palin to win the base.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:26 am

hypocrisy is bad

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:16 am

Holman wrote:He's trying to have it both ways: loyalty to party/president (the vote) and high principles (the speech). He doesn't understand that these are now completely incompatible.

McCain is a complex figure worthy of a novel. But remember that when he thought it was his time to lead, he reached for Sarah Palin to win the base.

To be fair, I don't think McCain...or anyone, really...had any ideal that she was that bat shit crazy. They just saw a locally popular female politician and decided they needed one (which I guess is kind of self serving...but definitely better than having all the facts and still knowingly going with a nut job like Palin)

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:06 pm

I've lost a lot of respect for McCain. Even though he's one of the few that have been openly critical of Trump, it's very carefully couched language.

I'm convinced that Trump could drop his pants and take a dump in the middle of the Senate floor, and McCain would simply release a statement that "he thought the President's actions were inappropriate."

These aren't minor policy differences or occasional mistakes. Trump's behavior is a repeated pattern of flagrant disregard for law, tradition, decorum of the office. And all we get, EVERY WEEK when this occurs from the GOP, is a shrug of the shoulders and some soundbite about how they disagree with the actions but blah blah blah.

It's really reprehensible, and I hope every single one of them pays for their "loyalty" in 2018 and beyond.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:16 pm

Politico

Sen. John McCain should reconsider his wish that President Donald Trump not attend McCain's funeral, said Sen. Orrin Hatch, the most senior GOP senator.

McCain prefers instead that Vice President Mike Pence attend his funeral rather than Trump, who has mocked McCain for being tortured and attacked him for voting against Obamacare repeal. But Hatch said he thought keeping the president from his funeral was too much: "I think it's ridiculous."

"Well, he's the president of the United States and he's a very good man. But it's up to [McCain]. I think John should have his own wishes fulfilled with regard to who attends the funeral," said the Utah senator. Asked whether McCain should change his mind about Trump, Hatch said: "I would."

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:30 pm

Orrin Hatch is such a fucking tool. The world will not miss him nearly as much as it will Senator McCain. I've never been one to swoon over McCain, but he's been a pillar of strength against Trump compared to Hatch. He's spent his whole life in service to the government. He can ban anyone who damn well pleases from his funeral, whenever that may be.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:38 pm

Fantastic idea. Trump has a few hours free after Saturday's golf game, perhaps he can attend Hatch's funeral then.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Spineless assholes like Hatch are the worst kind of politicians.

...that's all I got.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Orrin Hatch wrote:Well, he's the president of the United States and he's a very good man.

You can stop right there.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri May 25, 2018 4:21 pm

Wow

In his new memoir, McCain who is battling brain cancer, writes that the Iraq War “can’t be judged as anything other than a mistake, a very serious one, and I have to accept my share of the blame for it,” as Politico reports.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri May 25, 2018 6:24 pm

I certainly wish my brother would have had the quality of doctors that McCain must have.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun May 27, 2018 6:15 pm

I'm sure a lot of us have the same burning sorrow. I know I do. However, I think it's pretty damn lame to find "your voice" against John McCain.

It's obviously political and your brother would shake his head.

Are you really shocked that he has such access to the quality of doctors compared to your brother? Do you think we can all, universally demand access to 'the quality of doctors' you are holding up?

How's that.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun May 27, 2018 6:50 pm

Universal healthcare would make this a non-issue, but apparently it makes the Swedes and Brits and Norwegians into freedom-hating totalitarians.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sun May 27, 2018 8:47 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 6:15 pm I'm sure a lot of us have the same burning sorrow. I know I do. However, I think it's pretty damn lame to find "your voice" against John McCain.
It's obviously political and your brother would shake his head.

I'm sorry for whatever loss(es) you suffered. What did I just say that attacked John McCain? Nothing that I can see. I didn't wish anything bad on him, just wished that my brother's doctor had been better. So really, frack off on this one mate.

The only reason I commented in the thread was because my brother had testicular cancer which spread to his brain is all.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun May 27, 2018 8:55 pm

em2nought wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:47 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 6:15 pm I'm sure a lot of us have the same burning sorrow. I know I do. However, I think it's pretty damn lame to find "your voice" against John McCain.
It's obviously political and your brother would shake his head.
I'm sorry for whatever loss you suffered. What did I just say that attacked John McCain? Nothing that I can see. I didn't wish anything bad on him, just wished that my brother's doctor had been better. So really, F-off on this one mate.

Seems to me that you placed your comment in the John McCain brain cancer thread, and seemed to put on him a resentment. No?

Cause it's undertstandable, and I don't fault you really, but it's still just not right.

That being said... peace. Life can seriously suck. I get it.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sun May 27, 2018 8:58 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:55 pm
That being said... peace. Life can seriously suck. I get it.

Sorry, I was editing. I have a habit of editing about 3 or 4 times until I get it as right as it can be. Not a resentment, I posted it here because they shared where their cancer attacked them. I'd rather everybody had the best doctor possible. While John McCain was a "guest" at the Hanoi Hilton, my brother was probably attending a protest on the lawn in DC while eating homemade ice cream. The disease he had kept him out of Vietnam, but (the side effects of the medications he took for that disease caught up with him before 50)in my mind at least. Peace to you too.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:28 pm

Fair winds and following seas, Captain.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:30 pm

Rest in peace.

At least you tried.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:52 pm

Today's GOP had no use for his virtues.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:29 pm

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:12 pm

While I disagreed with his politics, and I think his choice of Palin as running mate was a terrible one, he was a man who had integrity and love for his country, and he (along with Collins and Murkowski) saved healthcare for millions. For that he deserves thanks.

RIP.