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Post by Moliere » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:00 pm

As Popehat continues to gain national attention it seems like Mr Fed deserves his own thread.

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Popehat: Internet Businesses Rejecting Racists Is an Exercise of Free Speech
So I put out the Popehat Signal Wednesday while guest-hosting Sirius XM Insight's Stand UP! with Pete Dominick, to gain some clarity from one of the best First Amendment commentators in the biz, lawyer Ken White. We discussed his great Charlottesville piece, "America At The End of All Hypotheticals," chewed on the ethics of outing alt-right demonstrators (he's fine with it as long as you've ID'd the right people), and then pivoted to private-company disassociation from deplorables:

Matt Welch: […] What should we think about free-speech implications, if any, of large, broad-based Internet service kind of providers kicking people off for their racisty conduct and life?

Ken White: […] [H]ere's where I part company with a lot of other free speech advocates. I think those companies have a right to free speech and free association. If I'm going to go all Romney on you, I'll say corporations are people, too. But instead, I can just say these are businesses run by groups of people, and their free speech desires and free association desires are just as valid as those as the Nazis.

If they don't want to host Nazis on their private platforms, then that's a free speech choice. Whether or not I agree with it, it's on a plane with the decisions of the Nazis to be Nazis in the first place. So, this is…a situation where some people are suggesting somehow that Group B should shut up and refrain from speech, refrain from free association, to make Group A more comfortable in its speech. I don't think that's a coherent philosophy.
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Post by stessier » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:09 pm

I like the hate speech caller. Granted, I only know the answer because I'm a Popehat reader, but it must have been a bit fun for him to say how very, very wrong the caller was. :D
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Post by Pyperkub » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:26 pm

I liked the freedom of assembly and permits part a lot too.
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Post by tgb » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:08 pm

In the event he decides to run for public office one day, we do have all of his RPG-nerd posts archived, right?
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Post by Carpet_pissr » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:39 pm

tgb wrote:In the event he decides to run for public office one day, we do have all of his RPG-nerd posts archived, right?
No, those were CONVENIENTLY wiped during the Great OOutage.

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Post by Rip » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:55 pm

My lawyer has advised me not to respond to any questions relating to financial transactions between Mr. White and myself or any accusations of bribery. Please direct any such questions to my counsel.

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Post by Pyperkub » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:52 pm

I... uh.... Mr Fed is looking a lot like Karl Rove these days...
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Post by Pyperkub » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:52 pm

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I think you need to find a pic of Tareeq for that ;)
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I think you need to find a pic of Tareeq for that ;)
Ken is just the spokesman, he is on to out Tareeq.......

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It just occurred to me that when the eventual reboot of I Love Lucy is made, Fed would make a perfect Fred Mertz.
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Post by Moliere » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:56 pm

DOJ Demands Info on Popehat and Others Tagged in Smiley Emoji Tweet
The Department of Justice (DOJ) is demanding extensive information on five Twitter users for the sin of being tagged in a post containing a single smiley-face emoji.

Techdirt reported today on the legal saga, which ensnared five Twitter accounts, including First Amendment lawyer and Reason contributing editor Ken White, also known as "Popehat."

The other users included laywer and author Keith Lee (@associatesmind), privacy activist "Dissent Doe" (@PogoWasRight), "Mike Honcho" (@dawg8u) and "Virgil" (@abtnatural). All are "folks who are quite active in legal/privacy issues on Twitter," according to Techdirt's Mike Masnick.
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Post by Rip » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:22 pm

Moliere wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:56 pm
DOJ Demands Info on Popehat and Others Tagged in Smiley Emoji Tweet
The Department of Justice (DOJ) is demanding extensive information on five Twitter users for the sin of being tagged in a post containing a single smiley-face emoji.

Techdirt reported today on the legal saga, which ensnared five Twitter accounts, including First Amendment lawyer and Reason contributing editor Ken White, also known as "Popehat."

The other users included laywer and author Keith Lee (@associatesmind), privacy activist "Dissent Doe" (@PogoWasRight), "Mike Honcho" (@dawg8u) and "Virgil" (@abtnatural). All are "folks who are quite active in legal/privacy issues on Twitter," according to Techdirt's Mike Masnick.
Excellent. I'm hoping we may soon discover who this so-called "Ken White" character is......

My only worry is that the fact I once accepted money from him(whoever he is) will get me indicted.

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Post by Holman » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:04 pm

No sweat. No Kriminal Sopina, no Krimes!
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Post by tgb » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:29 pm

Awwww......our little Fed is an official Enemy of the State.

Makes me proud and a little teary-eyed.
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Post by Pyperkub » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Holman wrote:
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No sweat. No Kriminal Sopina, no Krimes!
done!
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Post by $iljanus » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:41 am

They're probably coming after us next....(pours gasoline on server)
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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:42 pm

There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Re: Popehat

Post by Ralph-Wiggum » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:43 am

Mr. Fed is on the latest podcast of More Perfect podcast (sort of the Radiolab about Supreme Court cases)!

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Post by Jag » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:16 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:43 am
Mr. Fed is on the latest podcast of More Perfect podcast (sort of the Radiolab about Supreme Court cases)!
I downloaded it the other day, haven't gotten around to listening to it yet.

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Post by msteelers » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:17 am

Jag wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:16 am
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:43 am
Mr. Fed is on the latest podcast of More Perfect podcast (sort of the Radiolab about Supreme Court cases)!
I downloaded it the other day, haven't gotten around to listening to it yet.
Same situation here. I'm still working through the Citizen's United episode.

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Post by Moliere » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:29 pm

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Post by Combustible Lemur » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:49 am

Make no Law is great. I need more.

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Post by Archinerd » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:49 am

My worlds are colliding now. Just listened to the interview on the Make Me Smart podcast. Kai interviews Mr. Fed in the 2nd half of the episode.

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Post by AWS260 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:15 pm

Archinerd wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:49 am
My worlds are colliding now. Just listened to the interview on the Make Me Smart podcast. Kai interviews Mr. Fed in the 2nd half of the episode.
Was the interview primarily about Dungeons & Dragons or the Civilization series?

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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:22 pm

Old school party based CRPGs.

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Post by Archinerd » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:30 pm

If you listen to the Make No Law podcast (I don't) it was probably repeat info. It was about 1st Amendment rights of students in light of the recent walk outs.
I hadn't realized until now just how famous our Mr. Fed was/is.

I'd also listen to a old school party based CRPG podcast if anyone has one to recommend.

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Post by Jag » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:52 pm

Archinerd wrote:
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If you listen to the Make No Law podcast (I don't) it was probably repeat info.
It's very good so far. Listened to all the episodes. It's like having Mr. Fed as my co-pilot.

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Post by AWS260 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm

On the origin of "Mr. Fed."
Spoiler:
Popehat wrote:"MR. FED, HOW EXACTLY DID THIS WORK? THIS FAKE GENITALIA?"

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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:23 pm

AWS260 wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm
On the origin of "Mr. Fed."
Spoiler:
Popehat wrote:"MR. FED, HOW EXACTLY DID THIS WORK? THIS FAKE GENITALIA?"
This twitter thread is awesome!
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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:53 pm

Mr Fed posted on the Michael Cohen raid on Popehat today, and teh interwebs broke popehat...
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Post by Holman » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:13 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:53 pm
Mr Fed posted on the Michael Cohen raid on Popehat today, and teh interwebs broke popehat...
Twitter to the rescue:

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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:01 pm

Holman wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:13 pm
Pyperkub wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:53 pm
Mr Fed posted on the Michael Cohen raid on Popehat today, and teh interwebs broke popehat...
Twitter to the rescue:

link
Up at Reason now:
the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (widely regarded within itself as being the most important and prestigious U.S. Attorney's Office in the country) secured the search warrants for the FBI, based on a referral from Robert Mueller's office. Assuming this report is correct, that means that a very mainstream U.S. Attorney's Office—not just Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office—thought that there was enough for a search warrant here.

2. Moreover, it's not just that the office thought that there was enough for a search warrant. They thought there was enough for a search warrant of an attorney's office for that attorney's client communications. That's a very fraught and extraordinary move that requires multiple levels of authorization within the Department of Justice. The U.S. Attorney's Manual (USAM)—at Section 9-13.320—contains the relevant policies and procedures. The highlights:

The feds are only supposed to raid a law firm if less intrusive measures won't work. As the USAM puts it:

In order to avoid impinging on valid attorney-client relationships, prosecutors are expected to take the least intrusive approach consistent with vigorous and effective law enforcement when evidence is sought from an attorney actively engaged in the practice of law. Consideration should be given to obtaining information from other sources or through the use of a subpoena, unless such efforts could compromise the criminal investigation or prosecution, or could result in the obstruction or destruction of evidence, or would otherwise be ineffective.

Such a search requires high-level approval. The USAM requires such a search warrant to be approved by the U.S. Attorney—the head of the office, a presidential appointee—and requires "consultation" with the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. This is not a couple of rogue AUSAs sneaking in a warrant.

Such a search requires an elaborate review process. The basic rule is that the government may not deliberately seize, or review, attorney-client communications. The USAM—and relevant caselaw—therefore require the feds to set up a review process.
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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:48 pm

Arousing.

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Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:22 am

the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (widely regarded within itself as being the most important and prestigious U.S. Attorney's Office in the country)
I just love that line.
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Post by Max Peck » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:29 am

ImLawBoy wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:22 am
the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (widely regarded within itself as being the most important and prestigious U.S. Attorney's Office in the country)
I just love that line.
Yeah, they're throwing some subtle shade there. :lol:
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