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The situation in JC definitely sucks but an 'ambush'? Come on.

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The situation in JC definitely sucks but an 'ambush'? Come on.
I think they're saying that he was attempting to target cops and ambushed them. It happens. If he does indeed have a rifle of some sort that makes sense. Doesn't sound like your standard robbery gone wrong.
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I get what they are saying. I think it is really unlikely. We will see.

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New information in the original article.
According to three senior law enforcement officials, the shoot-out began as a homicide investigation. The deceased officer approached suspects in that investigation and was shot and killed. The suspects then fled into the Jersey City Kosher Supermarket on Martin Luther King Drive, where the standoff started around 12:30 p.m.
Looking like 6 dead now, the officer, 3 bystanders and the 2 suspects.
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That makes more sense. When I see ambush it is code for the officer couldn't have lost the 'fight' but for some prestaged attack. It is macho bullshit. The whole thing sucks enough without bringing that stuff into it.

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malchior wrote:
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That makes more sense. When I see ambush it is code for the officer couldn't have lost the 'fight' but for some prestaged attack. It is macho bullshit. The whole thing sucks enough without bringing that stuff into it.
Yeah, "ambush" folds the crime into a stark "war on cops" narrative supporting the militarization of police and defending the excessive use of force in lots of other contexts.

It's like "terrorism," which for a quarter century has been a magic word so loosely applied as to justify any effort, any expense, and any extreme.

EDIT: There's a new dimension to this story, though, as it's coming out that the attack may have specifically targeted Jews.
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At least one shooter was former Black Hebrew Israelite with an anti-Semitic history online.

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malchior wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:31 pm
That makes more sense. When I see ambush it is code for the officer couldn't have lost the 'fight' but for some prestaged attack. It is macho bullshit. The whole thing sucks enough without bringing that stuff into it.
Is it code for firefighters and paramedics losing a fight as well?

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So they shot the detective and then drove "slowly and deliberately" through traffic for a mile to the kosher market where they got out, walked past bystanders, and then targeted those inside the market.

I wonder what the details on the previous homicide were. The detective investigating it felt comfortable approaching the individuals in the Uhaul that was reportedly involved.

This is strange. At least the shooters are dead.
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An armed suspect at Naval Air Station in Corpus Christi, Texas, was arrested Wednesday morning.
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An official at the base said the armed suspect was reported to be near an army depot building on base. The lockdown was lifted less than an hour after it was announced. No shots were fired, and no injuries were reported, according to the Navy.

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Isgrimnur wrote:
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:31 pm
That makes more sense. When I see ambush it is code for the officer couldn't have lost the 'fight' but for some prestaged attack. It is macho bullshit. The whole thing sucks enough without bringing that stuff into it.
Is it code for firefighters and paramedics losing a fight as well?
Not quite the same thing but same culture. Those communities are tight knit. Some of that is just the way these guys describe attacks upon them.

The idea that people are lying in wait to take out first responders is not outlandish but often shows up in the first accounts. This is before the details come out that show that it was chaos at play...not some attack on first responders.

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A man shot and killed two people during a church service in White Settlement, Texas, on Sunday morning before two members of the church security team shot and killed him, authorities said.

City Police Chief J.P. Bevering said the shooter entered West Freeway Church of Christ and sat down in the sanctuary, then stood, pulled out a shotgun and shot two parishioners.
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Matthew DeSarno, the FBI agent in charge of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, didn't identify the shooter, but said he was "relatively transient with roots to this area" and had been arrested multiple times in different municipalities.

The shooter was not on any sort of "watch list," DeSarno said, but investigators will try to determine whether he was driven by any sort of ideology. Authorities said the motive is unknown, and nobody knows yet whether the shooter targeted the victims.
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The shooter and one of the victims died on the way to the hospital, said Macara Trusty, spokesperson for Medstar Mobile Healthcare. The second victim flatlined, was revived and later died, authorities said.
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A video livestream from the church, seen by CNN, appears to show how the shooting unfolded. The entire incident, from the time the shooter pulled out his gun until he was shot, took six seconds.
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Texas recently changed its firearms laws in response to the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting that left 26 people dead.

Lt. Gov. Patrick said the state now allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry weapons into places of worship. Another law allows churches to develop, train and plan for their own teams to provide security

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One of the parishioners killed was on the security team. He tried drawing on the shooter but didn't see that the guy was literally leveling the shotgun at him. It appeared to me that the parishioner unfortunately barely cleared his weapon from a back holster before being shot at close range with what appears to be a shotgun. No chance. :(

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malchior wrote:
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One of the parishioners killed was on the security team. He tried drawing on the shooter but didn't see that the guy was literally leveling the shotgun at him. It appeared to me that the parishioner unfortunately barely cleared his weapon from a back holster before being shot at close range with what appears to be a shotgun. No chance. :(
It's an awful outcome but he did his job simply by being there and drawing the shooter's attention.

I can't imagine the situation for the security team. You don't want to shoot unless you're absolutely sure the guy is a threat but you also don't want to hesitate and get yourself or someone else killed.


I was in a shoot/no shoot class with a guy from a church security team. Much like the team above, his church team was run by a former/off-duty LEO but the rest of the team was all volunteer church members. He was telling me about the mindset. He said if it took getting shot for another team member to take decisive action, so be it, just as long as no other church members were killed or injured.
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Chicago police now say a 1-year-old boy was not shot on the street by a stray bullet, as his father claimed, but was wounded as his parents fought over a gun and it went off in their Uptown apartment Monday evening.
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The boy was struck in the head, but the bullet did not penetrate his skull, Guglielmi said. He was listed in serious but stable condition at Lurie Children’s Hospital.

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ChiTrib
Chicago police now say a 1-year-old boy was not shot on the street by a stray bullet, as his father claimed, but was wounded as his parents fought over a gun and it went off in their Uptown apartment Monday evening.
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The boy was struck in the head, but the bullet did not penetrate his skull, Guglielmi said. He was listed in serious but stable condition at Lurie Children’s Hospital.
The second version may be BS too, apparently there were multiple casings found.

This father of the year took the kid after he was shot (however it happened) down the elevator, outside in near freezing weather, and was walking him to Weiss. Didn't call 911, didn't flag down the officers who spotted him. They found his apartment unit by following the blood trail.

Cook County State's Attorney roulette of justice predictor says... Unlawful use of weapon misdemeanor.
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Texas A&M (Commerce) Dorm
Two people were killed Monday and a third person was wounded after a shooting in a residence hall on the campus of Texas A&M University-Commerce, the school said.
The shooting occurred in Pride Rock residence hall, the school said in a post on Twitter.
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1 dead, 5 wounded on Greyhound bus
Passengers on a Greyhound bus were able to overcome and disarm the gunman in a shooting that left one person dead and five injured Monday, authorities said.

Shortly before 1:30 a.m., a man on the bus opened fire while the bus was in the Grapevine, California, area on Interstate 5, CHP spokesman Steve Loftus said.

"Due to some very heroic acts by the passengers, they were able to overcome this subject and disarm him," said CHP Sgt. Brian Pennings. "They were able to escort him off of the bus without further incident."
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
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Something to consider about a guy who owns 300 rifles: he can only shoot one at a time.
But he doesn't need to reload until he's exhausted 1500-15000 rounds of ammo.
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Paingod wrote:
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Something to consider about a guy who owns 300 rifles: he can only shoot one at a time.
But he doesn't need to reload until he's exhausted 1500-15000 rounds of ammo.
Reloading a rifle is a lot easier than grabbing another rifle. Certainly carrying 5 mags is easier than carrying 5 rifles. But own 300 rifles and suddenly you're more deadly than Rambo.




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1 dead, 5 wounded on Greyhound bus
Passengers on a Greyhound bus were able to overcome and disarm the gunman in a shooting that left one person dead and five injured Monday, authorities said.

Shortly before 1:30 a.m., a man on the bus opened fire while the bus was in the Grapevine, California, area on Interstate 5, CHP spokesman Steve Loftus said.

"Due to some very heroic acts by the passengers, they were able to overcome this subject and disarm him," said CHP Sgt. Brian Pennings. "They were able to escort him off of the bus without further incident."
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Texas A&M (Commerce) Dorm
Two people were killed Monday and a third person was wounded after a shooting in a residence hall on the campus of Texas A&M University-Commerce, the school said.
The shooting occurred in Pride Rock residence hall, the school said in a post on Twitter.
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Pyperkub wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:05 pm
Texas A&M (Commerce) Dorm
Two people were killed Monday and a third person was wounded after a shooting in a residence hall on the campus of Texas A&M University-Commerce, the school said.
The shooting occurred in Pride Rock residence hall, the school said in a post on Twitter.
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Two adult woman were killed and a toddler has been taken to the hospital following a shooting at Texas A&M University-Commerce on Monday, according to university officials.

All three people were gunshot victims, officials said. The toddler, who is about 2 years old, is in stable condition.

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Hanau, Germany
At least eight people have been killed and five others seriously injured in two shootings at shisha [hookah] bars in the German town of Hanau, according to local police.
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According to Bild newspaper, police have arrested one suspect. It is unclear how many suspects were involved overall.
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Hanau, which sits in southwestern Germany, about 20 km (12 miles) east of Frankfurt, has a population of about 100,000.

Reports of the shooting come just days after one person was shot dead and four more were injured outside a Berlin music venue. The shooting in the German capital occurred last Friday near the Tempodrome, which was hosting a Turkish comedy show on the night. The motives behind the Berlin attack have remained unclear.

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Milwaukee
Seven people were killed including a gunman during a shooting rampage on the Milwaukee campus of Molson Coors on Wednesday afternoon, according to multiple sources.

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Some interesting data on mass shootings and gun control:
A new database from The Violence Project provides some insight into what measures, if any, could stem the bloodshed. ​Researchers there conducted a detailed study of 167 mass shootings resulting in 1,202 deaths that have occurred in the U.S. since 1966.

We’ve cross-referenced their data with five types ​of gun​ control ​proposals. The analysis reveals that if all of these policies had been in effect at the federal level, ​they would have ​had the potential to ​prevent 146 out of 167 shootings, including all but one shooting in the past five years.
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Yeah, but freedom man. Freedom.

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Smoove_B wrote:
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Yeah, but freedom man. Freedom.
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Five people were killed after a shooting at a gas station in Missouri, including a police officer and the alleged gunman, police said Monday.

Police received calls of multiple shootings throughout the city starting at 11:24 p.m. CDT, including a call at 11:43 p.m. to a Kum & Go gas station where callers reported a vehicle crash and an armed suspect shooting customers and employees at the store, Springfield Police Chief Paul Williams said in a statement.

Williams said police believe one individual is responsible for each of the incidents.
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One of the first two officers, Christopher Walsh, to respond to the Kum & Go suffered a fatal gunshot wound and died at the hospital, according to police.

Another officer, Josiah Overton, is being treated for non-life threatening injuries at a local hospital.

Other officers responding to the scene removed the two injured officers and found the suspect dead from “an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound,” Williams said. Officers also found three deceased individuals and one person with a gunshot wound.

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That sucks. I kind of thought that with COVID-19 going around and everyone on lockdown, we'd see a respite in the mass shooting category. Guess not.
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At least 16 people dead after N.S. gunman's rampage, and police say toll could grow
A man disguised as a police officer went on a shooting rampage in rural Nova Scotia, killing 16 people Sunday, in the deadliest such attack in Canadian history. Officials said the suspected shooter was also dead.

A police officer was among those killed. Several bodies were found inside and outside one home in the small town of Portapique, about 100 kilometres north of Halifax — what police called the first scene. Bodies were also found at other locations.

Overnight, police began advising residents of the town — already on lockdown because of the coronavirus pandemic — to lock their doors and stay in their basements. Several homes in the area were set on fire as well.

Police identified the man believed to be the shooter as Gabriel Wortman, 51, who was thought to live part-time in Portapique. Authorities said he wore a police uniform at one point and made his car look like a RCMP cruiser.

They believe he may have targeted his first victims but then began attacking randomly.

Police first announced that they had arrested Wortman at a gas station in Enfield, outside Halifax, but later said he had died. It was not clear how, and they did not explain further.
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That Portapique rampage sucks. Fucking awful.
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The death toll is up to 19 now. Apparently they haven't yet been able to search all of the buildings he torched, so there may be bodies inside that have yet to be recovered.
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Canada is banning the purchase, sale, transport, and use of 1,500 models of military-style assault weapons, effective immediately. Gun owners will have a two-year amnesty period during which to comply.
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A former co-worker who owns something like 5 different AR-15 variants is undoubtedly raging about this right now. An assault-ish weapon ban was his number one fear the last time I had lunch with him, back in 2019 prior to the election.

It's not all bad for him, though, since his number two fear was that Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren might be the next President of the United States. He was really worried that someone who might have exaggerated her native ancestry was not sufficiently honourable to serve in that high office.
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It's not all bad for him, though, since his number two fear was that Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren might be the next President of the United States. He was really worried that someone who might have exaggerated her native ancestry was not sufficiently honourable to serve in that high office.

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I looked over the list, it's a comprehensive "SKU level" list of a handful of types (Ar15, Mini-14, M14, and a few others) plus anything over 20mm (.50 cal, 40mm launchers, etc).

I haven't read all the language but it appears to be well thought out, even if I don't agree with it. None of the vague language of proposed bills here or even our existing municipal laws.

At be a blueprint for eventual US laws.
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It's going to be tied up in court for at least those two years.

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This is pretty bad. Warning, you'll see someone take a shotgun to the chest in this video:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmau ... index.html

Summary, an African American man was out jogging, There had seen some burglaries in the area so when a father and saw him, they armed themselves and went after him, because a black man was suspected in the robberies and the jogger was seen looking in the window of house under construction. Trying to stop him, there was a struggle over the shotgun and the African American man was killed.
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Grifman wrote:
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This is pretty bad. Warning, you'll see someone take a shotgun to the chest in this video:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmau ... index.html

Summary, an African American man was out jogging, There had seen some burglaries in the area so when a father and saw him, they armed themselves and went after him, because a black man was suspected in the robberies and the jogger was seen looking in the window of house under construction. Trying to stop him, there was a struggle over the shotgun and the African American man was killed.
The details here are disturbing. The people who chased him down in a truck are the ones claiming they saw him looking in the window of the house. This is a dead man tell no tales story. The black community suspected this was hinky from day one but the local department was slow rolling the case and there was no action for well over a month until the video emerged. The belief I've seen is that one of the people is ex-law enforcement and the department is claimed to be shady by some in the local black community.

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Re: Shootings

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No one who isn't active LEO should be chasing down any suspects of anything. Two white dudes in a pickup, wielding shotguns in Georgia should definitely not be chasing down suspect of anything, let alone a black man who they didn't witness commit a crime. It's Georgia. They're white guys in a pick-up truck. With shotguns. WTF, it's like the opening of an A-Team episode that got scuttled because it was too tropey.



It doesn't matter whether he committed any crime or not. Can't chase him down, can't try to apprehend him, can't shoot him. Ex-LEO needs to act like ex-LEO. He should have some time to think about it in prison.
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Re: Shootings

Post by malchior »

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:08 pm
No one who isn't active LEO should be chasing down any suspects of anything. Two white dudes in a pickup, wielding shotguns in Georgia should definitely not be chasing down suspect of anything, let alone a black man who they didn't witness commit a crime. It's Georgia. They're white guys in a pick-up truck. With shotguns. WTF, it's like the opening of an A-Team episode that got scuttled because it was too tropey.
One was standing in the bed of the truck. There is no legitimate explanation for the behavior other than intimidation. They had blockaded the road. Another question I see a lot is why someone was recording this at all. They were well behind the event.

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