Stormy Weather (Trump & Women)

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:09 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:22 am The actual EB-1 criteria for "extraordinary ability" are very broad. It's not difficult to see how an upper-tier model with access to a good immigration lawyer would be able to tick off at least 3 out of 10. It's all about the spin. And money (literally -- being overpaid is an actual criterion).

Trump could probably buy here several of them. Easily - "Evidence of published material about you in professional or major trade publications or other major media" would be a cinch.

From what I've heard, a lot of what good lawyers do is narrow down the definition of your field enough that you become one of the top performers. You don't put down 'model' and compare yourself with all models. You put down 'exotic upscale lingerie promotion model' and compare yourself with a much smaller field.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:19 pm

Not sure if this has been posted in the other thread, but a statistical model suggests that the payments to Stormy Daniels came from Trump's campaign.

As is well-known by now, in late October 2016, Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen paid adult star Stormy Daniels $130,000 in order to purchase her silence about an alleged affair a decade earlier. The exact set of facts around this payment remains shrouded in mystery, with Cohen maintaining that he made the payment alone, without Trump’s knowledge, and with personal funds.

However, sharp-eyed observers have noted that, in late October 2016, the Trump campaign made a series of five large payments to Trump-affiliated entities, totaling $129,999.72. Campaign records do not provide enough information to conclusively determine, through traditional methods, if these payments are related to the Daniels payoff. Some journalistic observers have dismissed them as irrelevant, evidently believing the close match to be a coincidence.

The following describes a Monte-Carlo style mathematical model developed by me, and my brother, Benn Stancil, to determine the probability that this was indeed a coincidence. (Benn is a cofounder of Mode Analytics, where he works as chief data analyst.) Ultimately, our model suggests that the probability of a set of payments coincidentally coming so close to $130,000 is approximately .1%, or one out of one thousand. Therefore, the probability that the Trump campaign payments were somehow related to the Daniels payoff is about 99.9%.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:29 pm

Why is the DOTUS pursuing a gag order if he was unaware for the payment? "I didn't pay her off, but I would have, had I known, so she much stay silent." That makes zero sense to me.

The idea that you can have a lawyer do everything independent of your will or your knowledge so you are not accountable is about as fucked up as you can get. I'd love to see someone with the proper resources fight that slime and chew him to pieces.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:35 pm

Didn't someone post that it is illegal for a lawyer to use personal funds for a client? That it could cause him to be disbarred? I'd love to see those proceedings started against Trump's monkey.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:29 pm I'd love to see someone with the proper resources fight that slime and chew him to pieces.

I would say it's a job for Peter Thiel but he's apparently getting a check of his own.

Since the election of President Donald Trump, Thiel has gained significant influence in Washington. He was the most prominent supporter of Trump from Silicon Valley and contributed money to the campaign. Thiel helped fill positions in the Trump administration with former staff, including Trae Stephens, a onetime Palantir employee.

Everything is for sale.

Best we can hope for is continued crowdsourcing.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:02 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm I would say it's a job for Peter Thiel but he's apparently getting a check of his own.
Since the election of President Donald Trump, Thiel has gained significant influence in Washington. He was the most prominent supporter of Trump from Silicon Valley and contributed money to the campaign. Thiel helped fill positions in the Trump administration with former staff, including Trae Stephens, a onetime Palantir employee.
Everything is for sale.

Best we can hope for is continued crowdsourcing.

How is this different than every single other President and politician who wins an election? Random campaign donors or their friends/spouses being made an Ambassador or some other government bureaucrat/consultant? Government contracts going to someone who supported the campaign of the sitting President? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:16 pm

Moliere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:02 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm I would say it's a job for Peter Thiel but he's apparently getting a check of his own.
Since the election of President Donald Trump, Thiel has gained significant influence in Washington. He was the most prominent supporter of Trump from Silicon Valley and contributed money to the campaign. Thiel helped fill positions in the Trump administration with former staff, including Trae Stephens, a onetime Palantir employee.
Everything is for sale.

Best we can hope for is continued crowdsourcing.
How is this different than every single other President and politician who wins an election? Random campaign donors or their friends/spouses being made an Ambassador or some other government bureaucrat/consultant? Government contracts going to someone who supported the campaign of the sitting President? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

I believe he was expressing more disappointment with Thiel than Trump.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:10 pm

Stormy Daniels has offered to pay back the $130,000 in exchange for cancellation of the NDA.

The letter, which was first reported by the New York Times, says the money would be wired to an account designated by Trump by Friday. In return, Clifford would be allowed to "speak openly and freely about her prior relationship with the president and the attempts to silence her and use and publish and text messages, photos and videos relating to the president that she may have in her possession, all without fear of retribution or legal liability," the letter says.

The lawyers won't go for it, but that's clearly not the point. Daniels is just proving that she's a master of keeping this story in the news and of maneuvering Trump into implausible denials.

Forcing Trump to turn down a six-figure check is just icing on the cake.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:25 pm

Her story is worth way more than $130,000. There is no doubt a line of media waiting to pay her 10x that.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:28 pm

Do we know what the NDA specifies as damages if she violates its terms? If it is only monetary then it seems like someone would be willing to cover that cost for her story.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:37 pm

Moliere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:28 pm Do we know what the NDA specifies as damages if she violates its terms? If it is only monetary then it seems like someone would be willing to cover that cost for her story.

The trouble is it'll be hard to get risk-averse publishers to sign on for a possible lawsuit.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:44 pm

There may not be a set figure in the NDA. There might be general provision that she could be sued for "damages" generally. There might be some kind of provision suggesting that Trump could recover any profits she makes associated with selling the story under some sort of unjust enrichment theory. (Obviously I haven't read the thing - just spit-balling here.) In any event, though, that would require Trump to sue her and engage in the legal process over this affair, which is probably not something he's eager to do.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:54 pm

I don't know if the world is ready for the inevitable pics of Trump's Don Jr.

But no sooner did that happen than an attorney for Stormy Daniels posted a legal filing in which she asks a court to declare the “hush agreement” between her and Donald Trump and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, to be null and void.

But this rather sterile description doesn’t do justice to what is contained in the filing – which includes the original “hush agreement” itself and another related document. Suffice it to say, it focuses not so much on Stormy Daniels staying mum about a sexual relationship with Donald Trump but on “certain still images and/or text messages which were authored by or relate to” Donald Trump. Let’s put this baldly: Stormy appears to be saying she’s got or had sexts and maybe even “dick pics” from President Trump.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:27 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:44 pm There may not be a set figure in the NDA. There might be general provision that she could be sued for "damages" generally. There might be some kind of provision suggesting that Trump could recover any profits she makes associated with selling the story under some sort of unjust enrichment theory. (Obviously I haven't read the thing - just spit-balling here.) In any event, though, that would require Trump to sue her and engage in the legal process over this affair, which is probably not something he's eager to do.

There is a set figure in the NDA.

I don't have time to look it up, but I saw a discussion a few days ago about the language of the contract specifying [Dr. Evil]ONE MILLION DOLLARS[/Dr. Evil] per violation, with the implication that even a single interview or revelation of details could imply [Dr. Evil]MULTIPLE BREACHES[/Dr. Evil].

Stormy Daniels is playing it smart by making everyone talk about the existence of the NDA without currently saying anything about the details of the affair covered by it.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:50 pm

Am I the only one who finds her fake and unattractive?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:03 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:50 pm Am I the only one who finds her fake and unattractive?

I'll have to get an elbow measurement, but already I'm certain that she's far more real and more attractive than Donald Trump.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:12 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:12 pm Liberals don't care that it was a porn star. They care about the lying and the cover-ups that are the defining pattern of this administration in every area.

What's fun is the social conservatives (who by definition MUST care that it was porn/infidelity/ungodliness) bending over backwards to pretend that none of it happened over and over and over and over.

And then if you bring up Bill Clinton, they get all frothy in the mouth and get so upset that he cheated on Hilary and got a hummer in the white house

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:40 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:50 pm Am I the only one who finds her fake and unattractive?

I'm not sure I've seen a picture of her.

Drumpf covers his hotels in what a stupid person thinks looks expensive. He's not exactly known for having good taste. Or discerning in any way.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:27 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:50 pm Am I the only one who finds her fake and unattractive?

You're the only one who needed to say so.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:50 am

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:03 pm
Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:50 pm Am I the only one who finds her fake and unattractive?
I'll have to get an elbow measurement, but already I'm certain that she's far more real and more attractive than Donald Trump.

Yeah, I'd probably vote for her too if she decided to run against him.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:07 pm

Stormy Daniels Gets New Judge After Claiming Old One Was Biased

The porn star suing for the right to go public with details of her alleged affair with President Donald Trump got her case transferred to a new judge after claiming she couldn’t get a fair trial with the earlier one, court records show.

Stormy Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, argued in a March 9 filing that her case should be moved from the docket of Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Elizabeth Feffer, who is seeking a federal judgeship. Clifford feared that Trump’s influence in that process could impact the judge’s handling of the case, her lawyer Michael Avenatti said.

The case was transferred Tuesday to Judge Howard L. Halm, who like Feffer was appointed by former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican. Halm set an initial hearing for July 12. Requests to transfer cases to different judges are frequently granted without hearings or arguments after being reviewed by a supervising judge.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:01 pm

Trump's claim that he knew nothing and did nobody continues to collapse.

Trump Organization lawyer worked on Stormy Daniels nondisclosure case.

A lawyer at the Trump Organization was involved in the legal efforts to try and stop adult film star Stormy Daniels from speaking out about an alleged affair with President Trump.

Jill A. Martin, an attorney for the Trump Organization, is listed as a counsel in legal documents for an arbitration demand by a company created by Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, the Wall Street Journal first reported Wednesday.

Cohen used the company, Essential Consultants LLC, to pay Daniels $130,000 to stay quiet about the alleged affair.

The lawyer, who works for Trump, is claiming that she in a worked "in her individual capacity” to silence the porn star with whom Trump still claims he has had no relationship.

In the end, maybe this whole episode will be remembered as a heartwarming parable about the selfless generosity of high-priced lawyers...

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:31 pm

How does one go about getting paid $130k for keeping their mouth shut about something that never happened anyway? Asking for a friend...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:32 pm

Put on this dress and wig and be in front of the Trump hotel at 9 tomorrow night.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:33 am

Moliere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:02 pm I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:00 pm

Vanessa Trump files for divorce from Donald Trump Jr.

Vanessa Trump filed for divorce against her husband Donald Trump Jr. late Thursday in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The president’s daughter-in-law filed for an uncontested proceeding, meaning she’s not expecting a legal battle over custody of the couple’s five children or their assets.

They were married in 2005.

Page Six first reported that they were struggling with marital problems related to Don Jr.’s travels and controversial tweets.[/quiote]

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:16 pm

Moliere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:00 pm Vanessa Trump files for divorce from Donald Trump Jr.

Vanessa Trump filed for divorce against her husband Donald Trump Jr. late Thursday in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The president’s daughter-in-law filed for an uncontested proceeding, meaning she’s not expecting a legal battle over custody of the couple’s five children or their assets.

They were married in 2005.

Page Six first reported that they were struggling with marital problems related to Don Jr.’s travels and controversial tweets.[/quiote]

Normally I'm willing to put strictly personal troubles out of bounds. It's tougher here because Don Jr. has used his public notoriety to behave like a grade-A asshole.

If it turns out that Vanessa Trump is splitting because she knows Don Jr really deserves to get Muellered, I will laugh and laugh and raise a hearty toast to his well-deserved and hopefully miserable heartbreak.

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:29 pm

Taken with a grain of salt, but the article I read suggested the final straw was likely that he flew off to do some Trump-bidding while she was hospitalized after receiving "suspicious white substance" in the mail (benign substance, btw).

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:21 am

Stormy Daniels' lawyer says she was "physically threatened to stay silent."

Porn actress Stormy Daniels will share proof that she was “physically threatened to stay silent” about her alleged affair with President Donald Trump in an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes,” reportedly set to air March 25, her attorney said Friday.

Daniels’ lawyer, Michael Avenatti, told CNN and MSNBC Friday morning that it was a “fact” that his client was physically threatened to keep quiet. He said he was “confident” that viewers would come away from the interview believing that Daniels’ side of the story is credible.

“I’m not alleging anything. I’m stating a fact,” Avenatti told CNN Friday. “And the fact is that my client was physically threatened to stay silent about what she knew about Donald Trump. … The American people are going to weigh her veracity and whether she can be trusted, whether she appears to be credible and whether it happened or not, and they’re going to learn the details surrounding that. We’re going to let them judge for themselves whether she’s being honest.”

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:33 am

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:21 am “I’m not alleging anything. I’m stating a fact,” Avenatti told CNN Friday. “And the fact is that my client was physically threatened to stay silent about what she knew about Donald Trump. … The American people are going to weigh her veracity and whether she can be trusted, whether she appears to be credible and whether it happened or not, and they’re going to learn the details surrounding that. We’re going to let them judge for themselves whether she’s being honest.”

For some reason, he seems to think anyone will care or that it will somehow make a difference. Trumpsters have already tied themselves up in knots figuring out ways to justify the behavior, and the rest of us just add it to the ever-increasing pile of proof that he's a horrible human being and entirely unfit to be POTUS.

At the end of the day, it won't matter at all.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:38 am

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:33 amAt the end of the day, it won't matter at all.

It'll be another crater in the Trump name that carries through and follows them in history. Pile it on.

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:06 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:01 pm Trump's claim that he knew nothing and did nobody continues to collapse.

Trump Organization lawyer worked on Stormy Daniels nondisclosure case.

A lawyer at the Trump Organization was involved in the legal efforts to try and stop adult film star Stormy Daniels from speaking out about an alleged affair with President Trump.

Jill A. Martin, an attorney for the Trump Organization, is listed as a counsel in legal documents for an arbitration demand by a company created by Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, the Wall Street Journal first reported Wednesday.

Cohen used the company, Essential Consultants LLC, to pay Daniels $130,000 to stay quiet about the alleged affair.
The lawyer, who works for Trump, is claiming that she in a worked "in her individual capacity” to silence the porn star with whom Trump still claims he has had no relationship.

In the end, maybe this whole episode will be remembered as a heartwarming parable about the selfless generosity of high-priced lawyers...

Not to mention that if she did this "in her individual capacity" she would have no attorney client privilege with Trump on this matter since she didn't represent him

In-House attorney client privilege is typically weak at best, weaker when dealing with purely business issues and non-existent when the company is purportedly not even involved.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:19 pm

Wouldn't she essentially be arguing that she represented Trump as an attorney in an individual capacity, and not as corporate counsel? Thus she would have individual attorney-client privilege with Trump, which would actually avoid some of the problems of in-house attorney-client privilege?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:15 pm

Well, that's certainly interesting:

The lawyer representing the adult film star Stormy Daniels alleges that some of the accusations she's making against President Donald Trump occurred while Trump was in office.

"Is there anything in the litany of accusations -- you would call them facts -- that surround this case that happened while Donald Trump was President?" CNN's Jake Tapper asked Michael Avenatti, Daniels' lawyer, during an interview Friday.

"Yes," Avenatti replied.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:38 pm

Apparently Cohen wants to go after Daniels for $20 million, $1 million for each of 20 breaches of the NDA.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:55 am

Avenatti sure has a lot of confidence that people will believe Stormy Daniels.

Maybe he’s a great judge of character and thinks that she gives off an incredibly truthy vibe, but I’m not sure her track record to date supports that view. My understanding of her version of events is that:
(1) she had an affair with Trump;
(2) she threatened to go public with that affair when he was running for office;
(3) Trump (or his lawyers or their lackeys or whoever) paid her $130K to enter into an NDA to stop her from doing that;
(4) she signed the NDA and took the $
(5) she issued statements subsequently that no affair took place;
(6) she issued statements subsequent to those statements that those statements were, in fact, false;
(7) she’s now retained counsel to get her out of the original agreement on the basis that Trump himself never signed it.

Presumably, all so she can now sell her story for, presumably, much more than the $130K she originally got from Trump for keeping silent.

I’m like 100% sure that Trump and Stormy got it on. I would also not be surprised at all if Trump treated her poorly, because, after all, Trump is highly deficient as a human being.

But I coach a high school mock trial team (going to the OR state competition tomorrow, btw

) who would shred Stormy Daniels on cross if given this set of facts in their mock trial packet. I just do not see how Avenatti can have any confidence that anyone will find her to be credible.

Guess I’ll have to stay tuned for the teased 60 minutes interview. Fun times.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:12 am

Unless they have something more than a bunch of words. Detailed texts, pictures, pee-pee tapes, a stained dress, whatever.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:40 am

Stormy WANTS to be cross-examined. The moment that happens, she wins.

Some of the "issued statements" clearly forged her signature.

She's the deep throat for the Trump era. Chances are high that she has something, plus she talked before the NDA. They were trying to shut her up.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:54 am

I encourage clicking into the twitter thread below for the images. To abstract it: Apparently if you dig into Michael Cohen's claims that he tapped his home equity line...you find out his wife owns the home. His half was transferred into a trust. So he likely would have had to get his wife to sign off on paying $130K out of the trust to a porn star. Damn. That's love if I have ever heard it.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:24 am

I haven't been paying attention to this whole issue, because sex scandals between consenting adults generally don't interest me. But this was an interesting article:

Stormy Daniels is crushing President Trump at his own game

One remarkable feature of Stormy Daniels' chess match with Trump is that shame — this White House's usual instrument against its adversaries — isn't working. Porn stars don't find shame especially useful, and Daniels is no exception. This poses a problem for the president: Daniels (aka Stephanie Gregory Clifford) is utterly unembarrassed about profiting off her connection to him. She's unembarrassed in general. As the president's most virulent defenders have come after her, she's parried their attacks with jokes that defang them. Cracks about her age earn GILF humor, cracks about her being a prostitute have her crowing with glee. She's so good at this that her attackers often end up deleting their tweets; it's just not worth it.

According to Torrez, the issue isn't whether Trump signed the NDA at all; the point is rather to force Trump to respond, because any response at all damages him.

Option A: He can claim that he is in fact the other party in the NDA (pseudonymously referred to as "David Dennison"). That would entitle him to the benefits of the NDA — it might keep Stormy Daniels from sharing the information she has — but it would effectively confirm that the contents of the NDA, many details of which are now public thanks to Daniels' suit, apply to the president of the United States.

Besides pinning many of the more startling contents of the NDA to him, the admission that Trump is David Dennison would confirm that the candidate was fully aware of this illegal use of campaign funds.

Option B would be for Trump to deny that he's David Dennison. That would liberate Stormy Daniels to share whatever she has, and since the settlement mentions "artistic media, impressions, paintings, video images, still images, email messages, text messages, Instagram message [sic], facebook [sic] posting or any other type of creation by DD," the mind boggles at what that might include. It follows that whatever Daniels has in her possession would probably depict (and possibly incriminate) whomever appears in them.