Stormy Weather (Trump & Women)

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:27 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm
The phrase 'pro-abortion' is obnoxious, but you know that.
Why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, why is it obnoxious?
Because it implies that people who support a woman's choice actually want/like/enjoy abortions. It's a subtle use of words that implies pro-choice advocates feel that abortion doesn't suck. That's why.

Yes - you can be personally against abortion, but also believe the government has absolutely zero right to tell a person what to do with their body and their future.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm

I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:41 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:27 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm
The phrase 'pro-abortion' is obnoxious, but you know that.
Why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, why is it obnoxious?
Because it implies that people who support a woman's choice actually want/like/enjoy abortions. It's a subtle use of words that implies pro-choice advocates feel that abortion doesn't suck. That's why.
Yes - you can be personally against abortion, but also believe the government has absolutely zero right to tell a person what to do with their body and their future.

I understand what you are saying and Unagi's followup. What I don't understand is why Unagi feels Rip is unfairly labeling the act of abortion as "abhorrent."

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm

Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.

Brave and good for her and all that but seems like she's passing on an opportunity to upgrade her career path.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:51 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.
Brave and good for her and all that but seems like she's passing on an opportunity to upgrade her career path.

I didn't mean her decision was virtuous, but if I were her I would be scared shittless of getting attacked by an un-hinged Trump supporter.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:56 pm

Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:51 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.
Brave and good for her and all that but seems like she's passing on an opportunity to upgrade her career path.
I didn't mean her decision was virtuous, but if I were her I would be scared shittless of getting attacked by an un-hinged Trump supporter.

Not even talking about virtue. Just a better (more lucrative, sustainable) career. As for being safe, I imagine a strip club with bouncers and personal security is at least as safe as her home or a grocery store or restaurant...

In other words she's kind of having to check over he shoulder all the time now.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:17 pm

Enough wrote:I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.

Maybe she has a concealed carry permit

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:27 pm

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:41 pm
Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:27 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm
The phrase 'pro-abortion' is obnoxious, but you know that.
Why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, why is it obnoxious?
Because it implies that people who support a woman's choice actually want/like/enjoy abortions. It's a subtle use of words that implies pro-choice advocates feel that abortion doesn't suck. That's why.
Yes - you can be personally against abortion, but also believe the government has absolutely zero right to tell a person what to do with their body and their future.
I understand what you are saying and Unagi's followup. What I don't understand is why Unagi feels Rip is unfairly labeling the act of abortion as "abhorrent."

He's unfairly labeling people who support the option to choose as pro-abortion.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:28 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:56 pm
Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:51 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.
Brave and good for her and all that but seems like she's passing on an opportunity to upgrade her career path.
I didn't mean her decision was virtuous, but if I were her I would be scared shittless of getting attacked by an un-hinged Trump supporter.
Not even talking about virtue. Just a better (more lucrative, sustainable) career. As for being safe, I imagine a strip club with bouncers and personal security is at least as safe as her home or a grocery store or restaurant...

In other words she's kind of having to check over he shoulder all the time now.

Anyone got FBI stats on violent incidents in strip clubs vs grocery stores? I know the ones around here regularly have all sorts of violence.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:29 pm

It's actually about ethics in abortion.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:08 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:27 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:41 pm
Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:27 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm
The phrase 'pro-abortion' is obnoxious, but you know that.
Why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, why is it obnoxious?
Because it implies that people who support a woman's choice actually want/like/enjoy abortions. It's a subtle use of words that implies pro-choice advocates feel that abortion doesn't suck. That's why.
Yes - you can be personally against abortion, but also believe the government has absolutely zero right to tell a person what to do with their body and their future.
I understand what you are saying and Unagi's followup. What I don't understand is why Unagi feels Rip is unfairly labeling the act of abortion as "abhorrent."
He's unfairly labeling people who support the option to choose as pro-abortion.

He did both.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:47 pm

Who me? I did no such thing. I said Trump was pro-abortion so I am labeling him if anyone.

Anyway it was a friggin joke, lighten up Francises.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:41 pm
Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:27 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 pm
noxiousdog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm
The phrase 'pro-abortion' is obnoxious, but you know that.
Why? If there's nothing wrong with abortion, why is it obnoxious?
Because it implies that people who support a woman's choice actually want/like/enjoy abortions. It's a subtle use of words that implies pro-choice advocates feel that abortion doesn't suck. That's why.
Yes - you can be personally against abortion, but also believe the government has absolutely zero right to tell a person what to do with their body and their future.
I understand what you are saying and Unagi's followup. What I don't understand is why Unagi feels Rip is unfairly labeling the act of abortion as "abhorrent."

It's being deliberately inaccurate and misleading to demonize people, IMHO.

Which, if there weren't decades of similar behavior/treatments and it was an isolated case, wouldn't be bad, but as a pattern of behavior, it is abhorrent, because of the way it mangles discourse to demonize.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:16 pm

Rip wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:47 pm Who me? I did no such thing. I said Trump was pro-abortion so I am labeling him if anyone.

Anyway it was a friggin joke, lighten up Francises.

Rip in this thread:

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:23 pm

Is he Bugs, or the bull?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:34 pm

Bugs, in this case.

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:46 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:17 pm
Enough wrote:I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.
Maybe she has a concealed carry permit

I see what you did there.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:56 pm

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:37 am

Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:51 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Enough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:30 pm I am just thinking it's brave for Stormy to go strip now. I wonder how they are handling security at her events? The woman has guts.
Brave and good for her and all that but seems like she's passing on an opportunity to upgrade her career path.
I didn't mean her decision was virtuous, but if I were her I would be scared shittless of getting attacked by an un-hinged Trump supporter.

I think you're applying un-hinged to the wrong side. lol If she comes to Tampa, I want a dance or more. I hope she "dances" at Scarlett's at Ybor Strip.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:23 am

You’re probably right. She’s white. Your average Trump supporter will take that into account.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:21 am

hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:23 am You’re probably right. She’s white. Your average Trump supporter will take that into account.

I'd gladly get a lap dance from Misty Stone as well.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed May 02, 2018 9:59 pm

Giuliani, being interviewed by Sean Hannity, just said that Trump reimbursed Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payout, something Trump and his team have strictly denied from the beginning.

Oops.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed May 02, 2018 10:18 pm

Was just about to share that!

President Donald Trump's new lawyer Rudy Giuliani says the president repaid attorney Michael Cohen for a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.
Trump had told reporters that he was not aware of the payment and that he didn't know where Cohen had gotten the money.
Giuliani made the revelation during an appearance on Fox News Channel's "Hannity."
He also says the payment "is going to turn out to be perfectly legal" because "that money was not campaign money."

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:45 am

And now, on Fox & Friends this morning, Giuliani just tried the defense that it was necessary to pay Stormy so that this story wouldn't erupt as a distraction in the finals weeks of the campaign...

...thus blowing up the Trump team's official claim that the payment was merely personal and had nothing to do with the campaign.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:53 am

Holman wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:59 pm Giuliani, being interviewed by Sean Hannity, just said that Trump reimbursed Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payout, something Trump and his team have strictly denied from the beginning.

Oops.

Look at the monkey! Look at the monkey! I mean Jesus, Clinton did it and yet you attack Trump. Clinton didn't even have the sense to pay people off. Not smart.

For that matter Trump hasn't come out and said he paid off Dainiels and her hardly knows Giuliani.

I never had a hatred of Giuliani until 2016. I guess I never knew him because I live in a fly over state.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:01 am

Did anyone else see Avenatti on Colbert last night?

After agreeing with the host’s premise, Avenatti presented a brand-new piece of evidence in his case against the president. “This is a copy of the incoming wire receipt from Ms. Daniels’ prior counsel showing the origin of the $130,000,” he told Colbert. Avenatti pointed out that the payment came from the San Francisco branch of the company Michael Cohen created for this purpose, meaning that if California’s Attorney General Xavier Becerra were to bring charges against Cohen, Trump would not be able to pardon him.

“That could take away his ‘get out of jail free’ card right there,” Colbert said, to which Avenatti said, “Absolutely.”

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:13 am

Is Giuliani sabotaging Drumpf for some personal slight when Giuliani expected a high level placement in the administration but did not get it?

What's his plan here? An insanity plea and hiring him as evidence of it?

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:16 am

"Only the best people."

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 am

Trump confirms Giuliani story

Weird strategy, but ok.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 am

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:13 am Is Giuliani sabotaging Drumpf for some personal slight when Giuliani expected a high level placement in the administration but did not get it?

What's his plan here? An insanity plea and hiring him as evidence of it?

There has to be a plan. I will guarantee you that any interview between Giuliliani and Hannity was not out of left field. Is it a good plan? I dunno. Ask Fed, maybe? But either there was a change in tactics when Cobb stepped down and Flood stepped up or this has been some sort of long game legal trap all along. I find it hard to believe Trump, himself, is capable of being part of this sort of long game but it's not like I'm never wrong and he's spent his entire life around shady lawyers playing shady games and being part of the scheme.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am

LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 am
GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:13 am Is Giuliani sabotaging Drumpf for some personal slight when Giuliani expected a high level placement in the administration but did not get it?

What's his plan here? An insanity plea and hiring him as evidence of it?
There has to be a plan. I will guarantee you that any interview between Giuliliani and Hannity was not out of left field. Is it a good plan? I dunno. Ask Fed, maybe? But either there was a change in tactics when Cobb stepped down and Flood stepped up or this has been some sort of long game legal trap all along. I find it hard to believe Trump, himself, is capable of being part of this sort of long game but it's not like I'm never wrong and he's spent his entire life around shady lawyers playing shady games and being part of the scheme.

I'm fairly certain it's a combination of two things. Guiliani likes running his mouth to appear more important and in the loop than he really is. But also, Trump's side is trying to placate Cohen because they are terrified of him flipping on Trump.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:05 am

LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 am There has to be a plan. I will guarantee you that any interview between Giuliliani and Hannity was not out of left field.

That was my first thought, but Giuliani is not exactly a top of the line defense attorney, and Hannity, well, he has shown multiple times that he doesn't think before he speaks.

I'm not sure.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:25 am

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:05 am
LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 am There has to be a plan. I will guarantee you that any interview between Giuliliani and Hannity was not out of left field.
That was my first thought, but Giuliani is not exactly a top of the line defense attorney, and Hannity, well, he has shown multiple times that he doesn't think before he speaks.

I'm not sure.

From the clips I have seen, Hannity seemed genuinely shocked from what Giuliani was saying. Giuliani's story isn't exactly coherent, and the talk coming out of the White House doesn't seem to be incredibly coordinated. I don't think anyone expected Giuliani to say what he did, and now they are flailing to try and make it work.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:27 am

Giuliliani's mouth has always been bigger than his brain. If this is a strategy and not a fuckup, it's a bad strategy.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:39 am

Sepiche wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:27 am Giuliliani's mouth has always been bigger than his brain. If this is a strategy and not a fuckup, it's a bad strategy.

With this Adminitstration court of jesters, today's fuck-up drives tomorrow's strategy. All strategy is to them is mitigation of fuck-ups.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:42 am

gilraen wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am But also, Trump's side is trying to placate Cohen because they are terrified of him flipping on Trump.

Except this contradicts what Cohen has previously stated about the money. If Cohen has told the FBI or federal prosecutors that he was never reimbursed, can't he now be charged with lying?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:45 am

I guess I am missing something.

Cohen paid her, Trump reimbursed Cohen with his own money via a retainer without asking for details of the expense.

Sounds like just another nothingburger.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:46 am

The words you're looking for are "money laundering".

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:47 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:42 am
gilraen wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am But also, Trump's side is trying to placate Cohen because they are terrified of him flipping on Trump.
Except this contradicts what Cohen has previously stated about the money. If Cohen has told the FBI or federal prosecutors that he was never reimbursed, can't he now be charged with lying?

Yeah, but that would be a Federal crime, and those don't count because

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:50 am

pr0ner wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:46 am The words you're looking for are "money laundering".

How is reimbursing your attorney for giving money to your gold digger mistresses to shut them up money laundering?