Connecticut to Give their EC to National Popular Winner

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Forget defending Bork. The claim that "obstruction" of Bork set off the modern era of obstructionism is pretty precious. Reagan didn't have the votes without cooperation and he chose an extremely divisive person. That the Dems grandstanded a bit to show how poor a nomination that was hardly constitutes obstruction that anyway mirrors what came later.

Bork was a complete piece of shit through and through - rotten to the core and willing to abuse power. It was the right call to not confirm him. I do think it notable that Bork became the mold for the trolling "conservative". Partly to re-frame his failure to be confirmed around a narrative that he'd vote against Roe ignoring his lack of ethics and another way because he like many Conservatives somehow feel aggrieved about modern society even when they are running the show.
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Rip wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 8:39 am
Zarathud wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 8:28 am Why are you defending Bork? He's loser who supported a failed President in the actions which got him impeached. Who shouldn't have received his promised reward for facilitating a coverup. Sad.

The Democrats objected to Bork and dragged him through the mud in open hearings. The Republicans used procedural rules to delay, delay, delay for years to refuse to give Obama appointments a vote. And now ignore those rules because it's convenient. Weak.
I'm not defending Bork, I am pointing to that as the event that began the open war on opposing court appointees based on predicted outcomes and whether they align with the party lines. It is when judicial confirmations became circuses.

It has nothing to do with my political opinions. Just like the decision to use the nuclear option on judges. Once you cross these lines it is very hard if not impossible to go back.

Shitting on the EC will be another one.

Precedent does not lend justification to something that's wrong. It's simply a tool of obfuscation used by those who have run out of actual defense arguments. When the majority of your arguments consist almost entirely of posting quotes about previous administrations doing something that oftentimes isn't even that similar, you really should rethink the horse you bet on.
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Bork was qualified for the SCOTUS insofar as he was clearly very smart and accomplished as a legal matter, and capable of doing the job of being a justice. Democrats rejected him (after a hearing and a vote) because of his history in Watergate and because of his views (especially, IIRC, on women's issues). So rejecting Bork was a departure of sort from the norm that a qualified candidate picked by the President should generally be confirmed.

That said, the idea that the rejection of Bork somehow caused and justified all obstruction of judicial nominees from that pint is pretty silly. There's no comparison between the treatment of Bork and the treatment of Garland, nor between the treatment of Bork and the treatment of Obama's judicial nominees generally.
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I suspect if you trace the arguments back far enough, you’ll find Burr shooting Hamilton as the root cause of obstructionism. Though both sides would probably try to claim Hamilton given his recent popularity.

Seriously, these “He hit me first” arguments are getting old.
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Nevada could become the 15th Democratic-leaning state to enact legislation that would allow its electoral votes to be allocated based on the winner of the national popular vote during a presidential election.

A proposal passed by the state Senate on Tuesday is now sitting in the desk of Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, who has not publicly indicated his position on the multi-state effort designed to make sure presidents are elected by the popular vote, rather than the tally of Electoral College votes. The Nevada Assembly approved the measure in April.

If signed into law, Nevada would join the so-called National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between 14 states and the District of Columbia that seeks to ensure that the winner of the popular vote is elected president. The pact's objective would only be achieved when the states that adopt the legislation collectively have 270 or more electoral votes.
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So just let the folks responsible for this run things? LMAO :mrgreen:
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So far, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have signed up for the pact. The number of electoral votes between the group amounts to 189.
81 left to go.

Is there (I'm sure there is) a strategy for who those other 81 are most likely to become?
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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