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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:09 pm

We need a Turkey thread.

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On Friday, the Turkish lira suffered its biggest one-day devaluation in nearly two decades, dropping more than 14 percent against the dollar. The minister of finance — the son-in-law of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan — couldn’t avert the slide, delivering a halting speech that did little to boost confidence.

But Erdogan, as he so often does, placed the blame on a foreign scapegoat: the United States.

“Shame on you, shame on you,” he declared at a rally. "You are swapping your strategic partner in NATO for a pastor.”

The pastor in question is Andrew Brunson, an American clergyman who has been in Turkish custody since 2016. He is charged with espionage and other crimes — charges that he and U.S. officials reject. Attempts to win his freedom have so far failed.

According to my colleagues, Ankara hoped to swap Brunson for Hakan Atilla, a banker convicted in the United States for his role in a scheme that skirted U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil. But the Trump administration resents Turkey’s use of Brunson as a political hostage. A high-level meeting in Washington last week with a visiting Turkish delegation ended abruptly after the Americans demanded the pastor’s immediate release.

President Trump then announced increased tariffs on Turkish aluminum and steel, which sent the value of the lira plummeting to a historic low. Turkey’s economic woes are of its own making, but the tariffs made things worse — and Trump was only too happy to take credit.
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Re: Turkey

Post by GreenGoo » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:41 pm

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, it's very satisfying watching Erdogan lose his shit as the lire plummets and no amount of nationalistic gibberish can stop it. I hate Erdogan and watching him splutter and bleat has been awesome.

On the other hand, this can only be seen as a win for Drumpf, and I hate Drumpf even more. I expect Turkey to embrace an authoritarian despite years of democratic progress. I did not expect the US to follow suit.

I'll have to settle for watching Erdogan squirm powerlessly as his economy burns.

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Post by Kraken » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:03 pm

And I'm confused. Why did Trump and Erdogan stop being BFFs? Weren't they goose-stepping through the tulips before this row?

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:30 pm

Kraken wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:03 pm
And I'm confused. Why did Trump and Erdogan stop being BFFs? Weren't they goose-stepping through the tulips before this row?
That's a good question. I've been assuming this is Pence's work, mainly because a Christian minister imprisoned before Drumpf was elected would normally be below Drumpf's notice.

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Re: Turkey

Post by El Guapo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:34 am

GreenGoo wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:30 pm
Kraken wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:03 pm
And I'm confused. Why did Trump and Erdogan stop being BFFs? Weren't they goose-stepping through the tulips before this row?
That's a good question. I've been assuming this is Pence's work, mainly because a Christian minister imprisoned before Drumpf was elected would normally be below Drumpf's notice.
Apparently Brunson is a cause celebre among Trump's evangelical base, which is presumably how this became a thing.

I don't doubt that Trump and Erdogan will be BFFs again in a month or two.

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Re: Turkey

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:41 am

Erdogan is not going back to bff's. His economy is in shambles and he has been humiliated on the national stage.

And the economic damage isn't over yet. Turkey is in real trouble (unlike Canada under Saudi's attacks). You don't forgive something like this easily.

Erdogan is a real tyrant so I'm glad he's losing face. The country itself is taking a beating though and a lot of innocent people are being economically hurt. That's a little harder to celebrate.

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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:43 am

Erdogan is not going back to bff's. His economy is in shambles and he has been humiliated on the national stage.

The powerlessness he feels is causing him to lose his shit (which is awesome to watch).

And the economic damage isn't over yet. Turkey is in real trouble (unlike Canada under Saudi's attacks). You don't forgive something like this easily.

Erdogan is a real tyrant so I'm glad he's losing face. The country itself is taking a beating though and a lot of innocent people are being economically hurt. That's a little harder to celebrate.

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Re: Turkey

Post by Kraken » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:51 am

Haven't we always been at war with Eastasia?

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:35 pm

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President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Tuesday that Turkey would boycott U.S.-made electronic products, escalating a feud with the Trump administration that has contributed to the rapid decline of the Turkish currency.
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“We are going to apply a boycott on America’s electronic products,” Erdogan said Tuesday during a televised speech, adding that there were alternatives, produced
by South Korean or Turkish companies. He did not say when the boycott would start or how it would be enforced.

“If they have the iPhone, there is Samsung on the other side,” he said, referring to the phone by Apple that became closely associated with Erdogan himself two years ago when he used the device’s FaceTime feature to rally citizens during a coup attempt.
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Re: Turkey

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:54 am

Just read a state-run op-ed piece in a Turkey paper. Well, a translated one.

Good lord, I don't know who it was written for, but it was hilarious in the amount of winning Turkey is doing, how Drumpf has played right into Erdogan's hands, and how the rest of NATO should step into protect one of it's members.

Also how Brunson should get off his ass and demand Drumpf stay out the Turkey justice system. Brunson is the Christian Pastor central to the issue for those not paying attention.

It's...Drumpf era worthy in its denial of reality.

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