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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by El Guapo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:37 am

LordMortis wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:03 am
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:52 pm
I still don't understand why this is where the GOP decides to stand up to Trump.
Negotiating tactic? Trump may be the deplorable pied piper (who hates rats oddly enough) but his interests are not the interests of the GOP. They're using each other. I'm sure the GOP would love nothing more than to have the thralls turn on the sorcerer and look like champions for taking down "one of their own" because he was dirty.
I think it's still too soon to assume that they will. I'm going to wait until they actually do something substantive - a censure resolution would be something, but something with concrete teeth would be better.

But, I think it's still highly plausible that, after letting Senators fulminate righteously for a few days, McConnell just buries any actions and the relevant GOP senators do nothing.

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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by LordMortis » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:35 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:37 am
LordMortis wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:03 am
Alefroth wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:52 pm
I still don't understand why this is where the GOP decides to stand up to Trump.
Negotiating tactic? Trump may be the deplorable pied piper (who hates rats oddly enough) but his interests are not the interests of the GOP. They're using each other. I'm sure the GOP would love nothing more than to have the thralls turn on the sorcerer and look like champions for taking down "one of their own" because he was dirty.
I think it's still too soon to assume that they will. I'm going to wait until they actually do something substantive - a censure resolution would be something, but something with concrete teeth would be better.

But, I think it's still highly plausible that, after letting Senators fulminate righteously for a few days, McConnell just buries any actions and the relevant GOP senators do nothing.
I don't think will. I do think the collective known as the GOP will not hesitate to throw him to wolves should it get them an advantage and probably actively look for that advantage. But they won't do it without close to zero risk.

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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by Holman » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:54 pm


Kyle Griffin wrote:Jared Kushner and Mohammed bin Salman texted each other regularly, NYT reports. The exchanges continued even after Jamal Khashoggi's murder.

Kushner, it is reported, has offered the crown prince advice about how to "weather the storm."
Link to article.

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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by Pyperkub » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:24 pm

Saudis go all in on Trump:
The midterm elections have amplified an existing suspicion in Middle Eastern media of Muslim political activism in the United States. Academics, media outlets, and commentators close to Persian Gulf governments have repeatedly accused Omar, Rashida Tlaib (another newly elected Muslim congresswoman), and Abdul El-Sayed (who made a failed bid to become governor of Michigan) of being secret members of the Muslim Brotherhood who are hostile to the governments of Saudi Arabia and the UAE. On Sunday, Saudi-owned Al Arabiya published a feature insinuating that Omar and Tlaib were part of an alliance between the Democratic Party and Islamist groups to control Congress. The article accused the two of being “anti-Trump and his political team and options, especially his foreign policy starting from the sanctions on Iran to the isolation of the Muslim Brotherhood and all movements of political Islam.”...

...El-Sayed told me that political elites in places like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE felt threatened by American politicians who are also Muslim. For average Middle Easterners, his story is inspiring. (The clearest instance of Middle Easterners drawing such inspiration, ironically, was the first presidential election victory of Barack Obama, who faced false accusations of being a Muslim.)

The rise of politicians like El-Sayed, Omar, and Tlaib also undermines a core argument advanced by dictators in the Middle East: that their people are not ready for democracy. “People would not have access to power in their countries but they would if they leave; this destroys the argument by Sisi or bin Salman,” El-Sayed said, referring to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. “What’s ironic is there is no way I would aspire to be in leadership in Egypt, the place of my fathers.”

American allies in the region also fear that the Democratic Party’s new Arab leaders will advocate for political change in their countries.
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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by Max Peck » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:52 pm

Senators vote to end US backing for Saudi war on Yemen
The US Senate has voted to withdraw US military aid for Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen and to blame the kingdom's crown prince for the murder of a journalist.

The historic vote is the first time any chamber of US Congress has agreed to pull US forces from a military conflict under the 1973 War Powers Act.

Some of President Donald Trump's fellow Republicans defied him to pass the measure with Democrats by 56-41.

But the resolution is seen as largely symbolic and unlikely to become law.

The non-binding "war powers resolution" calls upon President Trump to remove all American forces engaging in hostilities in Yemen, except for those combating Islamist extremists.

The Senate then unanimously passed a resolution blaming Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for Washington Post reporter Jamal Khashoggi's murder in October, and insisting that the kingdom hold accountable those responsible.

The US chose to cease refuelling Saudi war planes last month, and Thursday's resolution - if it were ultimately passed into law - would prohibit that practice from resuming.
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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by Max Peck » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:38 pm

Washington Sends the Saudis a Long-Overdue Bill
Things are not going well for Saudi Arabia in Washington.

On Thursday, the Senate voted unanimously to blame Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the murder of the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and 56 members—a clear majority—-cast votes to end U.S. support for the Saudi-led war effort in Yemen. The rebuke was followed shortly afterward by a revelation about the Defense Department’s refueling of that bombing campaign: According to the Pentagon, the department had somehow failed to bill the Saudis and the Emiratis for at least $331 million in fuel and servicing costs. The Saudis, it appears, never directly paid the U.S. a penny.
We all know how Trump feels about allies that don't pony up the cash. :coffee:
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Re: All Things Saudi

Post by Paingod » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:58 am

NPR was running a story this morning on Saudi Arabia - and how companies are having more of a conscience than our government.

Some Hollywood agencies have pulled out of deals (one even gave back $400m) but likely because they have news branches and are more concerned with their appearance to their own journalists than anything else. Other companies are calling investing there "radioactive" and won't touch it.

October article. Today's audio (4m 20s).
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