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Or maybe there’s still a Hillary aftertaste.
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For everyone who just can't seem to quit her, a NYT opinion on her endorsement and role in the election.
Four years ago, Ms. Warren stayed neutral in the Democratic primary between Mr. Sanders and Mrs. Clinton, and during the general election she used her influence among liberals to push Mrs. Clinton to make more left-leaning personnel choices in her transition team. “That was the template that she designed in 2016,” Mr. Fallon said. “Wait back, hold until the nomination is settled and then be very practical and hard-boiled about what your asks are.”
There's more to it than that, but that's the nut graf.
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Kraken wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:54 pm For everyone who just can't seem to quit her, a NYT opinion on her endorsement and role in the election.
Four years ago, Ms. Warren stayed neutral in the Democratic primary between Mr. Sanders and Mrs. Clinton, and during the general election she used her influence among liberals to push Mrs. Clinton to make more left-leaning personnel choices in her transition team. “That was the template that she designed in 2016,” Mr. Fallon said. “Wait back, hold until the nomination is settled and then be very practical and hard-boiled about what your asks are.”
There's more to it than that, but that's the nut graf.

Yeah. She's unlikely to wade past the fact that Bernie Sanders is personally unlikable (or that she doesen't like him) to withhold her endorsement of the canidate who has policy plans most like hers, when they need it the most, when we on the left are LOSING a battle for our f'ing lives.

As a leftist myself, I've learned a great deal about Elizabeth Warren and will be unlikely to support her in any future endaevors.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:39 am I don't think it makes much sense for Bernie to pick Warren as VP; their policies and their supporters overlap too much already. I think someone like Abrams would be a good choice for Bernie. Or maybe Andrew Gillum. Someone young who can appeal to wide swathes of the party and shore up some support in Southern states.
Looks like Gillum is "out" :mrgreen:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... dosed.html
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Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
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Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
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Combustible Lemur wrote:
Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
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It cratered her.
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Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:36 am
Combustible Lemur wrote:
Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
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Also, she made a huge mistake in announcing how she was going to pay for M4A too soon. She got bogged down in attacks on the details and tax fear mongering.

It cratered her.
Nah. Bernie barely had a better answer to the same question and he stayed alive.
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malchior wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:05 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:36 am
Combustible Lemur wrote:
Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
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Also, she made a huge mistake in announcing how she was going to pay for M4A too soon. She got bogged down in attacks on the details and tax fear mongering.

It cratered her.
Nah. Bernie barely had a better answer to the same question and he stayed alive.
I think her core problem (aside from being a woman) was that she was positioned as a middle ground between Sanders and the Democratic mainstream. I think that made sense, but she wound up being insufficiently appealing to both.

I will say that I was somewhat surprised by how resistant the party leadership seemed to be to her candidacy.
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malchior wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:05 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:36 am
Combustible Lemur wrote:
Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
Dick

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Also, she made a huge mistake in announcing how she was going to pay for M4A too soon. She got bogged down in attacks on the details and tax fear mongering.

It cratered her.
Nah. Bernie barely had a better answer to the same question and he stayed alive.
Bernie had a completely different base with cult like approval.
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Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:20 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:05 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:36 am
Combustible Lemur wrote:
Kraken wrote:Here's Warren's plan to protect the election. Remind me again why Democrats like Joe Biden better?
Dick

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Also, she made a huge mistake in announcing how she was going to pay for M4A too soon. She got bogged down in attacks on the details and tax fear mongering.

It cratered her.
Nah. Bernie barely had a better answer to the same question and he stayed alive.
Bernie had a completely different base with cult like approval.
Right but it barely registered a blip on him yet it was a huge single factor that took down her campaign? It's too pat. There was a lot more to it.
I think her core problem (aside from being a woman) was that she was positioned as a middle ground between Sanders and the Democratic mainstream. I think that made sense, but she wound up being insufficiently appealing to both.
I think this is way closer to the actual why. She was in the right position policy wise but didn't sell the message that she could bridge that divide. Joe has essentially done that to get Bernie to drop. Warren if she had the right team or maybe the communications skills, could have been that person but it just never stuck. The upside is she is a policy person. Her best place to be most effective is probably the Senate so this isn't a bad outcome.
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She made two tactical mistakes: First, engaging on the cost of her M4A plan. Because details were a big part of her brand, IDK if she could have avoided that one. Second was trying to float above the fray as the unity candidate just as the others started taking swings at each other. She's a natural fighter who should've joined the brawl instead of playing meek and mild for a month. By the time she finally attacked again (Bloomberg), it was too late.

Strategically, being female in the aftermath of Clinton's defeat probably would've been fatal even if she'd avoided those tactical errors. Not much she could do about that.
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I really don’t get the Elizabeth Warren candidacy. I get that she’s a policy nerd, but why does anyone look at the world around us think that what we need is a policy nerd?
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RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:25 pm I really don’t get the Elizabeth Warren candidacy. I get that she’s a policy nerd, but why does anyone look at the world around us think that what we need is a policy nerd?
She's whip-smart, extraordinarily competent, and the senator most known for fighting corruption in business and government.

Think of how badly that's needed after Trump.
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RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:25 pm I really don’t get the Elizabeth Warren candidacy. I get that she’s a policy nerd, but why does anyone look at the world around us think that what we need is a policy nerd?
I assume this is meant sarcastically? A policy nerd would have helped prevent what we're seeing now.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:05 pm She's a natural fighter who should've joined the brawl instead of playing meek and mild for a month. By the time she finally attacked again (Bloomberg), it was too late.
Still, watching her rip out Bloomberg's shriveled, still-beating heart and toss it to the debate crowd was one of the finest moments of the campaign.
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It’s not even a little bit sarcastic. I truly don’t get it.

Edit to add: clearly I’m not alone in this.
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Holman wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:05 pm She's a natural fighter who should've joined the brawl instead of playing meek and mild for a month. By the time she finally attacked again (Bloomberg), it was too late.
Still, watching her rip out Bloomberg's shriveled, still-beating heart and toss it to the debate crowd was one of the finest moments of the campaign.
Yes, and what I wouldn't give to see Trump get the same treatment.
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RunningMn9 wrote:I really don’t get the Elizabeth Warren candidacy. I get that she’s a policy nerd, but why does anyone look at the world around us think that what we need is a policy nerd?
Not a policy nerd, a competency nerd.
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Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:24 pm
RunningMn9 wrote:I really don’t get the Elizabeth Warren candidacy. I get that she’s a policy nerd, but why does anyone look at the world around us think that what we need is a policy nerd?
Not a policy nerd, a competency nerd.
I think that might be the problem. I don't see her as especially competent.

Despite her grand ideas, here are the bills she sponsored that were passed.

Meh.

I would have voted for her over anyone else in the Democratic Primary, but I can see why people are not enamored.I say would have because I was voting against Bernie and picked the front runner.
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Warren's essential workers' bill of rights for the next stimulus bill. As long as we're throwing $trillions around, we might as well stop treating essential workers as disposable workers.
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News flash: Elizabeth Warren isn't running for president!
“Joe Biden is running for re-election in 2024. My job right now is to help him succeed,” Warren, 71, said when asked if she would consider running for president again to ensure her policy vision is enacted. So she’s not ruling it out? “I’m not running for president, no,” she said, chuckling from her Zoom window, an are-you-crazy look on her face.

That doesn’t mean she’s any less determined to see her ideas become law. In her latest book, “Persist,” released last week, Warren continues pushing her policy vision on the man who bested her for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination and ultimately the White House. It’s part of her larger effort to make sweeping change in a moment of crisis, although it’s not clear whether, having been passed over for a perch in the administration herself, the tools at hand will be enough.

“I want more, I’ve made that clear,” Warren said during Friday’s interview, referring to Biden’s child care plan, wearing a gray sweatshirt and sipping tea in the sunroom of her Cambridge home. “We had a child care crisis before the pandemic, but the pandemic has ripped back the covering.”

But where the Massachusetts senator — a figure who made her name lambasting Republicans and Democrats alike after the last financial crisis — could have dialed up her criticism of the White House, she instead heaped on the praise.

“He already gets the basic idea, and he’s already willing to make a big commitment,” Warren said of Biden’s child care plan. “We just need to push him to make a bigger commitment.”

Her party back in control of Washington, Warren is working to shape her deeply held progressive beliefs into consensus Democratic policy with an inside game of influence and private lobbying, while asking her supporters to use the power of persuasion to bring the White House along — a departure from the more oppositional tack she has sometimes pursued.
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Given all she’s learned, what would it take for a woman to win?

“I don’t know,” she acknowledged, and paused.

“Winning the presidency is about a moment,” she said. “The world keeps changing.”

For now, her focus is still on influencing the current president. “We’re only 100 days in.”
She also announced that she will run for reelection in '24. 'Course, all bets are off if Biden dies or doesn't run for a second term. IDK if Warren would automatically fall in line behind Harris.
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Biden is running for a second term.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:27 pm Biden is running for a second term.
You keep saying that. I believe that he will if his health allows.
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Kraken wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:27 pm Biden is running for a second term.
You keep saying that. I believe that he will if his health allows.
Sure. I mean, if he's dead he's not running. If he's not, he's running as long as he's not in a coma.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:50 pm
Kraken wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:27 pm Biden is running for a second term.
You keep saying that. I believe that he will if his health allows.
Sure. I mean, if he's dead he's not running. If he's not, he's running as long as he's not in a coma.
Based on his behavior following Beau's death, I think he'll take a hard look at his physical and mental stamina in 2024 and step aside if he thinks that Kamala would be better for the country and party. He won't be Zombie Joe. I hope he's up for another run, but I'm not taking that as given.

Back on topic, I'm pleased that Warren is happy to continue being my senator as long as Biden's in the driver's seat.
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