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Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:31 pm
by Alefroth
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:33 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:11 pm Need more data on climate change policies before making a decision.
You are dancing around the May poll!
Since no one else is going to, bahahaha.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:16 pm
by pr0ner
I went with Weld for this poll.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:22 pm
by YellowKing
In thinking about it today, the other reason I feel myself turning towards Biden is that I think he could capture the "that's the kinda guy I could have a beer with" vote. Those folks who voted for Trump because he "talks like one of us," could find that same appeal in Biden. And yes I know it's not right, but none of those guys are going to have a beer with Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:28 pm
by Kraken
I'd rather have a beer with Warren. She sometimes goes to a pub that I sometimes go to in the Berkshires, so maybe someday I will. But I'm not one of the guys you're talking about.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am
by malchior
Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
by El Guapo
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 am
by ImLawBoy
I think you can only do 10 options on polls.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:28 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 am I think you can only do 10 options on polls.
Who is to blame for this??

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 am
by ImLawBoy
Obviously Fishpants. Get him!

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:34 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 am Obviously Fishpants. Get him!
#ThrowTheBumsOut

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
by pr0ner
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.
How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:39 am
by Alefroth
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.
How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Shouldn't the poll determine that, not Kraken?

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:42 am
by Jaymann
Alefroth wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:39 am
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.
How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Shouldn't the poll determine that, not Kraken?
Kraken is trying to suppress the field in case he decides to run.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:46 pm
by LawBeefaroni
YellowKing wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 10:22 pm In thinking about it today, the other reason I feel myself turning towards Biden is that I think he could capture the "that's the kinda guy I could have a beer with" vote. Those folks who voted for Trump because he "talks like one of us," could find that same appeal in Biden. And yes I know it's not right, but none of those guys are going to have a beer with Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris.
The "a guy I could have a beer with" is just "I'm voting for him and either I cannot justify it rationally or it is based on something I'd rather not say out loud." People who think they "could have beer with Trump" would never want to have a beer with Biden.

People walk into bars and have beers with total strangers all the time. It's not a reason to vote for someone.


Also, if Biden and Trump were in a bar with 95% of Americans, they'd pick a table for two and sit down together.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:15 pm
by Defiant
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
But which state does Trump go in? State of Denial or State of Decay?

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:47 pm
by em2nought
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.
How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:33 pm
by Kraken
Jaymann wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:42 am
Alefroth wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:39 am
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 am
malchior wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am Should we have all 21...er..22 as of this morning...Democratic candidates in this poll? Should we have a poll about how many will pile in? I'm thinking 1 per state seems like a good number of candidates.
Well, ideally I would think it would be best to give people the option to add another choice.
How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Shouldn't the poll determine that, not Kraken?
Kraken is trying to suppress the field in case he decides to run.
:lol:

I included only the leaders-of-the-moment according to national polling -- the premise being "this would be your ballot if the primary were held today".

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:41 pm
by LordMortis
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Still hoping for Merkley. I'm feeling a bit disappointed he hasn't made the move.

Edit:

And now you made me look and my heart is broken

March 5th

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/ ... 20-1203398
Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley will not seek the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination.

The Oregon Democrat shut down presidential speculation in a video released Tuesday morning after teasing a “major” announcement late Monday night about his plans for next year's elections. Instead of a White House bid, Merkley announced he will run for reelection to his Senate seat, citing the need for “strong leadership” in the Senate as well as the White House.
Now that being the case, I dunno. I'm not informed enough but I'd like to know more about Beto, so I'll be his loan supporter but I sure as heck reserve the right to back out from that support.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:47 pm
by El Guapo
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Barring a real shock, the only potential candidate out there who could shake up the field in a major way is Stacey Abrams. She's hinted at running a few times, and recently said that she's not going to run for Senate in 2020, which leaves her open to a run. IIRC in the polls she's been included in she's polling ~ 5%, which isn't Bidenesque but is pretty good for a noncandidate without the branding that a Biden or a Sanders has.

Anyway, I think she's the only candidate who hasn't declared but who would have at least an outside shot at winning.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:17 pm
by Jaymann
LordMortis wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 2:41 pm
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?


Now that being the case, I dunno. I'm not informed enough but I'd like to know more about Beto, so I'll be his loan supporter but I sure as heck reserve the right to back out from that support.
He would probably prefer a straight contribution.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:03 pm
by Holman
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 2:47 pm
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am How many of those other choices legitimately have a chance, though?
Barring a real shock, the only potential candidate out there who could shake up the field in a major way is Stacey Abrams. She's hinted at running a few times, and recently said that she's not going to run for Senate in 2020, which leaves her open to a run. IIRC in the polls she's been included in she's polling ~ 5%, which isn't Bidenesque but is pretty good for a noncandidate without the branding that a Biden or a Sanders has.

Anyway, I think she's the only candidate who hasn't declared but who would have at least an outside shot at winning.
I posted somewhere else, but I really wish she would run for the senate. If 2020 throws Trump out, she could flip that Georgia seat, and that's hugely important.

I expect that she's being courted as almost everyone's VP, but VP is nothing if we don't have the senate.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:44 pm
by GungHo
I went with Beto mostly cuz he's from Texas...and I appreciate his effort in trying to unseat Cruz. But I honestly don't care. Anyone not named trump will suffice.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 1:59 am
by Kurth
LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 12:46 pm The "a guy I could have a beer with" is just "I'm voting for him and either I cannot justify it rationally or it is based on something I'd rather not say out loud." People who think they "could have beer with Trump" would never want to have a beer with Biden.

People walk into bars and have beers with total strangers all the time. It's not a reason to vote for someone.


Also, if Biden and Trump were in a bar with 95% of Americans, they'd pick a table for two and sit down together.
I was with you, right up until that last sentence. No. F’ing. Way.

Biden would not want to have a beer with Trump. Different birds entirely.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 2:17 am
by Kraken
Trump doesn't drink.

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(Attributed to everybody who ever said anything.)

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:40 pm
by coopasonic
Kraken wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 2:17 am Trump doesn't drink.

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As a man that doesn't drink, that's good advice.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 1:38 pm
by em2nought
Never trust anyone. :wink:

I heard this somewhere the other day, and thought it was pretty good.
I don't have friends, I have allies. ...and those allies are on the barter system.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:32 pm
by Unagi
I kinda want to move my vote to Harris (from Pete). I like how she has attacked Trump. (not sure if Pete would have)

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:39 pm
by Unagi
Maybe we should all register Rep and vote for Weld (whom I will say, I am so happy exists.) in the Primaries.

Bottom line is that I bet most everyone (D) will vote for ANYONE not Trump, however anyone Independent and/or turned-off Republican will be looking for something specific.

I feel like we probably should be nominating the candidate that is most tolerable by the Dems (frankly, anyone) , but someone a little appealing to the old-school GOP.

I am not sure that's Biden or Warren, or any of them.... so I'm not sure I want to say that's to goal of our nomination. I some level Biden is that guy, but for a lot of GOP voters he is Absolutely NOT that guy.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm
by Holman
I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm
by Unagi
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.
While that is one of the qualities I like about him - - I hear ya.

Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans".


Being mayor of South Bend Indiana does put him in some touch with "rural American's".
However, I will say that the idea of 2 males being 'the first family', is going to be massively hard for this coutry to get over and maybe hard for Pete to overcome.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 10:37 pm
by GreenGoo
Drumpf and his plus one are making the transition easier, as Melania clearly wants nothing to do with the first lady role and has been a mostly absentee first lady with drumpf's blessing. Their kid is entirely MIA as far as first family events and media attention is concerned. With no first family at all, America is nudged slightly towards accepting a president and first man, imo.

This might be the first president in my lifetime where their family is irrelevant, and literally everyone accepts that as a reasonable norm.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 10:51 pm
by Holman
Unagi wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.
While that is one of the qualities I like about him - - I hear ya.

Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans".


Being mayor of South Bend Indiana does put him in some touch with "rural American's".
However, I will say that the idea of 2 males being 'the first family', is going to be massively hard for this coutry to get over and maybe hard for Pete to overcome.
I think the defining issue with Pete B's campaign is this:

He's running as a gay liberal Democrat from the Midwest, presenting his success as mayor of South Bend Indiana as proof of his ability to reach Trump voters.

The problem is that the Midwest (and Trump voters) don't actually work like that. South Bend is a liberal anomaly in the region. They haven't elected a Republican mayor since 1972, and even then this didn't reflect the voter shift of the Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan Southern Strategy. Pete B's mayorality is a triumph of South Bend's progressive openness, but meanwhile the rest of the state has gone Red over and over.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:22 pm
by rittchard
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 10:51 pm
Unagi wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.
While that is one of the qualities I like about him - - I hear ya.

Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans".


Being mayor of South Bend Indiana does put him in some touch with "rural American's".
However, I will say that the idea of 2 males being 'the first family', is going to be massively hard for this coutry to get over and maybe hard for Pete to overcome.
I think the defining issue with Pete B's campaign is this:

He's running as a gay liberal Democrat from the Midwest, presenting his success as mayor of South Bend Indiana as proof of his ability to reach Trump voters.

The problem is that the Midwest (and Trump voters) don't actually work like that. South Bend is a liberal anomaly in the region. They haven't elected a Republican mayor since 1972, and even then this didn't reflect the voter shift of the Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan Southern Strategy. Pete B's mayorality is a triumph of South Bend's progressive openness, but meanwhile the rest of the state has gone Red over and over.
I feel like the categories that he's "running as" will matter less and less as his campaign continues. What will matter instead is if/how he connects with people and whether he strikes a chord in them and presents a platform that is attractive to as many people as possible. I just watched one of his latest stops and there was just about nothing about his being gay, and nothing about South Bend or his experience. All the questions and discussion were on the issues people cared about, and about how to beat Trump.

It's interesting the comment about not offending deplorables. I would argue his very existence is offensive to the "deplorable" section, so he really doesn't need to exasperate things further. A big part of his appeal is he is running on a positive message of hope for the future of the country; antagonizing people doesn't really fit in with that model.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:04 pm
by Drazzil
rittchard wrote: Mon May 06, 2019 6:22 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 10:51 pm
Unagi wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.
While that is one of the qualities I like about him - - I hear ya.

Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans".


Being mayor of South Bend Indiana does put him in some touch with "rural American's".
However, I will say that the idea of 2 males being 'the first family', is going to be massively hard for this coutry to get over and maybe hard for Pete to overcome.
I think the defining issue with Pete B's campaign is this:

He's running as a gay liberal Democrat from the Midwest, presenting his success as mayor of South Bend Indiana as proof of his ability to reach Trump voters.

The problem is that the Midwest (and Trump voters) don't actually work like that. South Bend is a liberal anomaly in the region. They haven't elected a Republican mayor since 1972, and even then this didn't reflect the voter shift of the Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan Southern Strategy. Pete B's mayorality is a triumph of South Bend's progressive openness, but meanwhile the rest of the state has gone Red over and over.
I feel like the categories that he's "running as" will matter less and less as his campaign continues. What will matter instead is if/how he connects with people and whether he strikes a chord in them and presents a platform that is attractive to as many people as possible. I just watched one of his latest stops and there was just about nothing about his being gay, and nothing about South Bend or his experience. All the questions and discussion were on the issues people cared about, and about how to beat Trump.

It's interesting the comment about not offending deplorables. I would argue his very existence is offensive to the "deplorable" section, so he really doesn't need to exasperate things further. A big part of his appeal is he is running on a positive message of hope for the future of the country; antagonizing people doesn't really fit in with that model.
We already tried "Hope" and "change" once. Didn't work. I'd rather have someone who will take the fight to the other side, then someone who tries to "build consensus" We're past that.

I want Lyndon Johnson. He's someone who would'nt be afraid to fight dirty and call his opponent a pigf_cker if he needs to.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:29 pm
by Apollo
Unagi wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm ...Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans"...
These guys understand that, in order to win a national election, they are going to need to win over at least some white, working-class voters. And I think that is a wise strategy. It worries me that so many young progressives seem to want to ignore this segment of the population. While that may work in your dark blue home district, that's not a wise approach to winning national elections.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:03 am
by Unagi
Oh, I agree that it's pragmatic.

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:11 am
by LawBeefaroni
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 10:51 pm
Unagi wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:56 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 9:42 pm I'm concerned about the degree to which Pete seems to want to avoid offending anyone, Deplorables included.
While that is one of the qualities I like about him - - I hear ya.

Biden doesn't want to offend 'old school Republicans'.
Pete doesn't want to offend "rural Americans".


Being mayor of South Bend Indiana does put him in some touch with "rural American's".
However, I will say that the idea of 2 males being 'the first family', is going to be massively hard for this coutry to get over and maybe hard for Pete to overcome.
I think the defining issue with Pete B's campaign is this:

He's running as a gay liberal Democrat from the Midwest, presenting his success as mayor of South Bend Indiana as proof of his ability to reach Trump voters.

The problem is that the Midwest (and Trump voters) don't actually work like that. South Bend is a liberal anomaly in the region. They haven't elected a Republican mayor since 1972, and even then this didn't reflect the voter shift of the Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan Southern Strategy. Pete B's mayorality is a triumph of South Bend's progressive openness, but meanwhile the rest of the state has gone Red over and over.
This is true about South Bend.

South Bend may be conseravtive by Midwest college town standards (Madison, Ann Arbor, etc., even Columbus) but for Indiana and the rest of the "rural Midwest" it's just another liberal college town. That it has a gay Democrat mayor isn't overly surprising other then the fact that Notre Dame is a Catholic university. But it's still a University.
South Bend and environs (Michiana) are also increasingly the playground for Chicago residents with their "rural" retreats or early retirement second/third homes.

The further south you go in Indiana and Illinois, or north in Michigan, the more you get the real rural Midwest and its accompanying potential support for Trump over anyone just because they're the mayor of a Midwestern university town.

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Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:27 am
by Isgrimnur
Blue South Dakota Counties:

Oglala Lakota - 94% Native American
Todd - 88% Native American
Clay - University of South Dakota
Buffalo - 84% Native American
Dewey - 75% Native American

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:36 pm
by Drazzil
Isgrimnur wrote: Tue May 28, 2019 11:27 am Blue South Dakota Counties:

Oglala Lakota - 94% Native American
Todd - 88% Native American
Clay - University of South Dakota
Buffalo - 84% Native American
Dewey - 75% Native American
Hey here's an easy one: Are there any high level registered republican native americans serving in the house or the senate (no elizabeth warren jokes please ;). )

Re: Flash poll: Mayday edition

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:42 am
by Isgrimnur
Tom Cole and Markwayne Mullin, both from Oklahoma, are the only registered Native American congresspeople that are Republicans. The other two NAs are from Kansas and New Mexico, both Dems, both female.