The Trump Impeachment Thread

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:13 pm

We haven't even begun to see how bad it's going to be. The second the Senate acquits Trump, then the REAL damage can begin. Because at that point there is literally nothing in the entire world to stop Trump from just openly rigging the 2020 election and coasting to victory.

I believed as recently as a few months ago that a Trump re-election was impossible due to his approval rating and disgusting abuses of power. Hahaha, oh naive YellowKing.

That was before I realized that the President could openly interfere in an election and the GOP would defend him 100%.

2020 has already been decided. We are under authoritarian rule now.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:38 pm

Then it is a chance to prove that US citizens need the right to keep and bear Arms. See if that is effective to overthrow the tyrant.

There is no good reason to sacrifice people lives to gun violence, if it is useless to stop authoritarian government.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:16 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:13 pm We haven't even begun to see how bad it's going to be. The second the Senate acquits Trump, then the REAL damage can begin. Because at that point there is literally nothing in the entire world to stop Trump from just openly rigging the 2020 election and coasting to victory.

I believed as recently as a few months ago that a Trump re-election was impossible due to his approval rating and disgusting abuses of power. Hahaha, oh naive YellowKing.

That was before I realized that the President could openly interfere in an election and the GOP would defend him 100%.

2020 has already been decided. We are under authoritarian rule now.

I wish I could argue with you. Trump got away with it in 2016. Now he's going to get away with it again, and the people trying to stop him are the enemies of democracy. He's not even trying to hide what he's doing. Three election-protection bills have died in the Senate.

2018 bought us one more election to turn it around, but it might be too late.

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:38 pm Then it is a chance to prove that US citizens need the right to keep and bear Arms. See if that is effective to overthrow the tyrant.

The gun enthusiasts are on Trump's side.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:56 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:16 pm
Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:38 pm Then it is a chance to prove that US citizens need the right to keep and bear Arms. See if that is effective to overthrow the tyrant.
The gun enthusiasts are on Trump's side.

Not all of them. But most of them.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:54 am

There are a lot of stops here where the GOP takeover falls apart but the trouble is we don't know how boiled we are yet.

Nominally speaking the system is not "broken" yet but the GOP and President are exhibiting 5th stage fascism behavior including radicalization of institutions. Maybe the system comes to its senses but they've gone too far probably. That said, I dont know if it is too late but we will know with 95% certainty by the end of next year I believe.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:02 am

Pretty sad how the antiChrist..I mean McConnell..... outright says he is not impartial and will work with the White House on this and not allow witnesses. Of course he wont allow witnesses. And he is going to work with the crooked orange moron. He will simply dismiss it all and none of the Trump supports will care.

These people in charge of our once great country have no morals, no scruples, no principles. All they are made of or want is money, power , and to play their games in their heads. Its party or nothing.The GOP in DC will never care if Trump does 10 or 20 stupid, illegal, or harmful world things as long as they get their 1 thing here and there they like or want out of his lame ass.

We can only hope the best that comes of this is a couple GOP lose their seat. The country is corrupt and blind. They've had the kool-aid. Its done.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:58 am

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:16 pm President Big Baby sent Pelosi a six-page letter whining about impeachment.

It's generally grammatical, so you can tell his lawyers drafted it, but it's clear that Trump insisted on tone and phrasing.

Imagine being insane enough that this is your response to that rambling nonsense.

LOU DOBBS (HOST): The President today in writing a six page letter to Pelosi, gave her an opportunity, an off-ramp, if you will, at the conclusion of that letter. And then she responds with a comment to a reporter with others present, saying it was a ridiculous letter. That is her response. And the ignorance is institutionalized amongst the party of hate now, obviously.

MARK SIMONE: Everybody should go read that letter, it is a masterpiece.

DOBBS: It is.

SIMONE: It's a Gettysburg Address of smear job, false accusations, what a response. It's a historical document.

JFC

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:59 am

Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:27 pm His approval rating is spiking up not down. We're doomed to deal with this asshole through 2024.

You think he dies in 2024?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:55 am

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:58 am
Holman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:16 pm President Big Baby sent Pelosi a six-page letter whining about impeachment.

It's generally grammatical, so you can tell his lawyers drafted it, but it's clear that Trump insisted on tone and phrasing.
Imagine being insane enough that this is your response to that rambling nonsense.

LOU DOBBS (HOST): The President today in writing a six page letter to Pelosi, gave her an opportunity, an off-ramp, if you will, at the conclusion of that letter. And then she responds with a comment to a reporter with others present, saying it was a ridiculous letter. That is her response. And the ignorance is institutionalized amongst the party of hate now, obviously.

MARK SIMONE: Everybody should go read that letter, it is a masterpiece.

DOBBS: It is.

SIMONE: It's a Gettysburg Address of smear job, false accusations, what a response. It's a historical document.
JFC

It's a cult. Also keep in mind WaPo pays this guy. I support WaPo but there has to be a sane Conservative that they can use other than this clown.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:03 am

Well, if I'm reading what he said properly, Simone is saying that the letter itself is a smear job and false accusations. I feel confident without even having seen the letter that he is correct as those are the only tools tRump possesses.
He has to be right?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:13 am

That quote needs more context. The phrase "smear job, false accusation" could be referring to the content of the letter or to the articles of impeachment. Considering that Simone was a guest on Lou Dobbs show, I'd guess the latter.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:15 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:13 am That quote needs more context. The phrase "smear job, false accusation" could be referring to the content of the letter or to the articles of impeachment. Considering that Simone was a guest on Lou Dobbs show, I'd guess the latter.

Don't crush my last little sliver of hope!

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:17 am

Remus West wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:15 am
Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:13 am That quote needs more context. The phrase "smear job, false accusation" could be referring to the content of the letter or to the articles of impeachment. Considering that Simone was a guest on Lou Dobbs show, I'd guess the latter.
Don't crush my last little sliver of hope!

He calls it a "masterpiece" in response to Dobbs. Sorry.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:24 am

Would be nice to see more of this type of sentiment being communicated, via known liberal socialist, Rick Wilson:

“There are no heroes in the Senate GOP. Don’t wait for anyone to ride in on a white horse (or Rafalca) to save the day. Although it would take only four members to force McConnell to do the right thing, they live in abject terror of Trump’s rage and McConnell’s money and power. They could force a real trial, and bring Trump to heel, but they won’t. They could demand witness testimony and document production, but they won’t.,” he wrote. “Yes, Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, Martha McSally, Susan Collins, Corey Gardner and others could easily change the game. Even two of them working in concert could force the question. But they won’t. It’s not happening.”

What to do?

“If the Democrats were serious, they’d bring the only kind of pressure Mitch McConnell gives a single fuck about: political. They’d be on the air with TV and digital ad campaigns in key Senate seats, spending the kind of money Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer are incinerating in their bonfire of the vanities ad campaigns,” he continued. “Democrats would have their billionaires pushing a super PAC ad campaign with real tonnage behind it. They’d be hitting states like Maine, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, especially Colorado. They’d be hanging Trump’s obvious corruption out there for all to see. They would be extracting a political price for senators who defend Trump. Spoiler: It’s not too late, but the clock is running.”

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:34 am

This isn't news. All the self-annointed ones on their me-first missions fall right into the GOP trap.

The GOP warchest is built upon parting out and selling off America for their own enrichment. The one goal is absolute power in order to do so. They are getting there and doing that. Which leads to more money pouring in.

The Democrats...they have a bunch of domestic social pet projects that they squabble over and squander any sort of unified message and campaign.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:37 am

I guess I was more interested in starting to put names to these cowards to make sure history is clear. The like to slink around and hide (McConnell in particular), but my belief is that if the (D) and media start naming them specifically - ideally pressing them for comment, it will be beneficial.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:49 am

Rafalca

Ann Romney's horse from the 2012 Olympics.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:57 am

From a detached point of view

1) Why is it Partisan impeachment but not partisan defense?
2) Holy unnecessary superfluous emotionally charged distracting adjectives, batman.
3) "I won't." not "Not I"... Must not look for grammar...
4) Was there ever a transcript released? Seriously.
5) Will all of the "federalist" champions attack this letter for referring to democracy?
6) Will of the people, law, electoral votes are not synonymous.
7) How can he release a statement while concurrent advising everyone not to testify? If there is a spirit of the 5th Amendment, this is trying to banish it.
8) There is a consistency in the rubber/glue (Boing fwip?) I particularly liked how Partisanism is formed by criminal establishment democrats fearing the loss of power to socialists destroying the party to try and "take the country down with" it.
9) Tougher on Russia than Obama? What?
10) How can you both be denied the right to present evidence and have presented the transcribed call? (again did I miss this?)
11) We get it witch hunt... witch hunt...
12) Doesn't a coup seek to install your own people?
13) 10s of millions patriotic Americans? Tens of millions out 327 seems.... small.

I'm not legal guy but I don't see historical document. I see a stump speech. I see his initial plot for election is all.

So beyond his re-election speech, this is a six page note of "read the transcript?"

Seriously, was I sick the day the transcript was released?

Ran to google. Found the white release labeled "Transcript!" ... declassified but what I saw was same "... text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place... "

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:05 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:57 am Boing fwip?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:39 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:34 am This isn't news. All the self-annointed ones on their me-first missions fall right into the GOP trap.

The GOP warchest is built upon parting out and selling off America for their own enrichment. The one goal is absolute power in order to do so. They are getting there and doing that. Which leads to more money pouring in.

Enabling nation wide manipulation of the political system and consolidation of local media into the local arm the GOP propaganda machine. Which they probably didnt need because...of the below. It just helped bring authoritarianism along faster.

The Democrats...they have a bunch of domestic social pet projects that they squabble over and squander any sort of unified message and campaign.

Exactly. The biggest social project was running Hillary. They were so desperate to elect a woman they overlooked all the many risk factors. Fucking incompetents. They deserve a large heaping of scorn for this shit show.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:15 pm

If you aren't watching the debate right now in the House...it really is a spectacle. In a sane nation this would be a parade of politicians committing political suicide. Unfortunately our nation is infested with political cancer. It is so, so, so hard to listen to this parade of lies and nonsense.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:35 pm

Well, as they learned from Trump, you can tell multiple lies daily and no one follows up or questions you to your face. It's been working gangbusters for him, so why shouldn't they do it too?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:33 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:39 pm Exactly. The biggest social project was running Hillary. They were so desperate to elect a woman they overlooked all the many risk factors. Fucking incompetents. They deserve a large heaping of scorn for this shit show.

I think you're trivializing Hillary's long and well established political career. I'm not saying that her sex wasn't part of the reason they decided to put her in the ring, but I am saying it's incorrect to imply it was a large part of the reason they did so.

We have multiple women running in this democratic primaries this time around too, but I'm loathe to believe that the big reason they're gaining any credibility with their party is because of their sex.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:39 pm

No my point is it was a major reason they ignored the risks. She was certainly qualified but she was *under investigation* for a Federal crime. She had high unfavorable ratings. Yet those blundering incompetents still went for her, let her run as a predictably flat candidate against a charismatic demagogue, and led to this shit show. And it pisses me off because it should have been a slam dunk. It fell directly in line with the Democrats nature living in the clouds as naive political malpractioners. Still I place far more blame on the GOP but I think the Democrats still dont get it despite all that happened.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:45 pm

...meanwhile Trump is running through his pre-rally calisthenics (Sudafed?) and flushing 15+ times to get ready for Michigan in a few hours....while the House is voting to impeach him. Again, Trump is holding a political rally while the House is voting on his impeachment. That's how little all this matters to him and the GOP.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:51 pm

Yeah I dont think many people yet realize the country as we know it is gone. All you have to do to realize it is listen to these insane speeches.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:41 pm

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:41 pm

Makes sense. Throw away a sure thing in order to give your opponent power so you have can have a low chance of taking it back. Lock 'er up!

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:49 pm

I watched about 10 minutes of the debates but had to turn it off because it was making me so mad. These people are completely delusional and psychotic.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:52 pm

YellowKing wrote:I watched about 10 minutes of the debates but had to turn it off because it was making me so mad. These people are completely delusional and psychotic.

I keep trying and am in the same place. When they compared this to the Crucifixion of Christ I lost it.

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Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:00 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:45 pm ...meanwhile Trump is running through his pre-rally calisthenics (Sudafed?) and flushing 15+ times to get ready for Michigan in a few hours....while the House is voting to impeach him. Again, Trump is holding a political rally while the House is voting on his impeachment. That's how little all this matters to him and the GOP.

Sudafed? I think you mean Adderall.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:42 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:00 pm Sudafed? I think you mean Adderall.

No, Sudafed. But yes, probably also Aderall. And Phentermine. At least, that's what all the cool kids are saying. He's going to outlive us all.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Enough wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:52 pm
YellowKing wrote:I watched about 10 minutes of the debates but had to turn it off because it was making me so mad. These people are completely delusional and psychotic.
I keep trying and am in the same place. When they compared this to the Crucifixion of Christ I lost it.

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Think I know where Trump's campaign team is going to photoshop his head next.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:23 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:49 pm I watched about 10 minutes of the debates but had to turn it off because it was making me so mad. These people are completely delusional and psychotic.

I watched some of the Republican questioning during the hearings, and just gave up. I just can't stand listening to their rants, posturing and general insanity. So there's no way I was going to listen to any of this. I just can't take it any more, I just can't. I consider myself an independent, and I've voted for people of both parties during my lifetime, from the president on down to city council and county commission. But I'm never voting for another Republican the rest of my life - right now, that party needs to just die, and some sort of new conservative party take it's place. This party is dead to me.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:29 pm

Trump is impeached!

So far, one Republican (in addition to Amash, now an independent) has voted for impeachment. Two Dems are nay.

EDIT: The Republican Yea disappeared even though time is up. I guess they're able to shift things around.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:29 pm

It's history now. He'll never not be an impeached president.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:33 pm

Holman wrote:Trump is impeached!

So far, one Republican (in addition to Amash, now an independent) has voted for impeachment. Two Dems are nay.

NYT has zero plus Amash. Who's the one?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:35 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:33 pm
Holman wrote:Trump is impeached!

So far, one Republican (in addition to Amash, now an independent) has voted for impeachment. Two Dems are nay.
NYT has zero plus Amash. Who's the one?

Nobody. I was watching C-Span and time was already up, but the Republican Yea suddenly disappeared. I guess they can do that.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:56 pm

Tulsi Gabbard voted "present."

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:58 pm

Grifman wrote: But I'm never voting for another Republican the rest of my life

I switched from Republican to Independent in 2016 but I'm going to switch to Democrat before the 2020 election. Independent implies that I may vote Republican on occasion, and that's not going to happen for the foreseeable future.