Dancing the Charleston into Super Tuesday

[pr0ner]

Biden takes North Carolina.

[Holman]

Bloomberg wins American Samoa!

Second place is Tulsi Gabbard. She has a delegate!!!!

[pr0ner]

Bloomberg wins American Samoa!

Second place is Tulsi Gabbard. She has a delegate!!!!

WaPo is saying that delegate may be enough to get Gabbard into the next debate.

[Holman]

Bloomberg wins American Samoa!

Second place is Tulsi Gabbard. She has a delegate!!!!

WaPo is saying that delegate may be enough to get Gabbard into the next debate.

Goddamit

[Jaymann]

Bloomberg wins American Samoa!

Second place is Tulsi Gabbard. She has a delegate!!!!

WaPo is saying that delegate may be enough to get Gabbard into the next debate.

It may be enough to prevent a regime change in American Samoa.

[pr0ner]

Alabama goes Biden.

Also:



This seems to be the kind of thing I'm seeing from Sanders supporters.

[pr0ner]

Oklahoma and Tennessee to Biden, Colorado to Sanders.

Chances definitely increasing for a contested convention.

[gameoverman]

I can't help but wonder if Biden got this big bump because Democratic voters realized Sanders was thisclose to being the nominee and mainstream Democrats were like "I don't think so".

[Grifman]

Biden is having a much stronger night than expected. He's sweeping the South, leading in Minnesota (Bernie was supposedly pushing Klobuchar there so even with her endorsement, that's looking pretty strong). Biden is also running a strong second in Texas. We can also see that in no state so far has Bernie got more than 36% of the vote (Colorado) other than Vermont. There definitely seems to be a hard cap in his support at around 35% of the vote. And in a surprise, Biden is leading in Massachusetts, beating both Sanders and Warren - we'll see if that holds up or not. And if you look at the percentage of the vote Bloomberg got, then you have a clear rejection of Sanders and his platform. We'll wait and see what happens in CA to see if Sanders can retrieve this night or not.

[Grifman]

I can't help but wonder if Biden got this big bump because Democratic voters realized Sanders was thisclose to being the nominee and mainstream Democrats were like "I don't think so".

Oh, I'm certain that played a role.

[pr0ner]

Arkansas to Biden.

Sanders is giving what sounds to me like a very angry speech.

[malchior]

Bernie's theory about pumping up the youth vote is looking like a real fool's bet right now.

[pr0ner]

Bernie's theory about pumping up the youth vote is looking like a real fool's bet right now.

When I voted this morning, in the brief time I was there, I appeared to be the 2nd youngest person there, and I'm 39.

Biden takes Minnesota.

[El Guapo]

I can't help but wonder if Biden got this big bump because Democratic voters realized Sanders was thisclose to being the nominee and mainstream Democrats were like "I don't think so".

Oh, I'm certain that played a role.

Yeah, definitely. And Biden was really the only viable moderate around - even after his early primary struggles, neither Buttigieg nor Klobuchar could catch him in the polls. Then he put together a couple decent debate performances, Bloomberg cratered, Biden won SC, and moderates realized if they didn't consolidate before ST it would be too late after.

That said, it's not like it's over. A lot depends on California and Texas. And Sanders could win a two-person race against Biden at this point, though he may need to think more about trying to broaden his coalition a little more.

[pr0ner]

[pr0ner]

Utah for Sanders.

There are currently "Let Dairy Die" protestors running on stage at Biden's speech.

[Grifman]

Massachusetts of all places - for Biden! Terrible news for Warren, and not much better for Sanders, who was believed to be in the drivers seat there.

[pr0ner]

Two VASTLY different tones between the speeches of Biden and Sanders.

[Grifman]

Two VASTLY different tones between the speeches of Biden and Sanders.

Let me guess:

Biden, upbeat, optimistic, looking ahead
Sanders, agitated, blaming the establishment, embattled

How close did I come?

[pr0ner]

Two VASTLY different tones between the speeches of Biden and Sanders.

Let me guess:

Biden, upbeat, optimistic, looking ahead
Sanders, agitated, blaming the establishment, embattled

How close did I come?

Dead center bullseye.

[Grifman]

Someone tweeted that high school seniors now want Clyburn to write their college recommendation letters

Bloomberg will get out, cut his losses and endorse Biden. Then pour millions into insuring Biden's nomination and victory over Trump. At least I hope so

[Grifman]

What's interesting is that in many of these states Biden had virtually no organization, no ads, no ground game at all. That just shows one of two things, or maybe a little bit of both - people really dislike Sanders, and/or people really like Joe Biden. I think it's some of both.

[Kraken]

Massachusetts of all places - for Biden! Terrible news for Warren, and not much better for Sanders, who was believed to be in the drivers seat there.

I am embarrassed for my state. Biden, seriously?

At this point I'm just waiting for delegate totals. Warren isn't winning anywhere, but is she scoring enough points to be a relevant #3? Won't know until tomorrow.

[malchior]

What's interesting is that in many of these states Biden had virtually no organization, no ads, no ground game at all. That just shows one of two things, or maybe a little bit of both - people really dislike Sanders, and/or people really like Joe Biden. I think it's some of both.

Media narratives play a heavy part IMO. I'm pretty sure exit polls are going to show a great many people decided...today or over the weekend.

[pr0ner]

California to Sanders.

[YellowKing]

I honestly thought Bloomberg was going to hurt Biden more than Warren hurt Sanders, but it's turning out the opposite. Bloomberg's collapse was quite surprising, particularly here in NC where he has dumped an enormous amount of money and time in the past couple of weeks. I guess The Beatles had it right - money can't buy me you love.

[malchior]

What's interesting is that in many of these states Biden had virtually no organization, no ads, no ground game at all. That just shows one of two things, or maybe a little bit of both - people really dislike Sanders, and/or people really like Joe Biden. I think it's some of both.

Media narratives play a heavy part IMO. I'm pretty sure exit polls are going to show a great many people decided...today or over the weekend.

Early voting had Biden in a dead heat in Harris County, TX. After SC he might have 40%+ same day totals. That's interesting. It also could be interpreted a lot of different ways.

[Kurth]

Bernie's theory about pumping up the youth vote is looking like a real fool's bet right now.

No one could have predicted that! Shocking.

[El Guapo]

Massachusetts of all places - for Biden! Terrible news for Warren, and not much better for Sanders, who was believed to be in the drivers seat there.

I am embarrassed for my state. Biden, seriously?

At this point I'm just waiting for delegate totals. Warren isn't winning anywhere, but is she scoring enough points to be a relevant #3? Won't know until tomorrow.

My mom (in suburban Boston) voted for Biden. So if he won by 1 vote, blame it on her.

Though I'm pretty sure that my dad voted for Sanders (outside chance of Gabbard).

[Kurth]

Is Biden actually going to win Texas? That would be something else.

[pr0ner]

Biden is taking the lead in Texas and may very well win the state.

[El Guapo]

Is Biden actually going to win Texas? That would be something else.

That's significant, though based on polls going into today that's less surprising than MN or MA.

[Grifman]

What's interesting is that in many of these states Biden had virtually no organization, no ads, no ground game at all. That just shows one of two things, or maybe a little bit of both - people really dislike Sanders, and/or people really like Joe Biden. I think it's some of both.

Media narratives play a heavy part IMO. I'm pretty sure exit polls are going to show a great many people decided...today or over the weekend.

They already show that a large number made up their minds in the last 3 days. But still, media narrative or not, it's still unusual. Biden didn't even try to contest Massachusetts and he won there!

[Defiant]

Sanders is giving what sounds to me like a very angry speech.

Does he give any other kind?

[Defiant]

And Sanders could win a two-person race against Biden at this point, though he may need to think more about trying to broaden his coalition a little more.

I'm not sure he could do that convincingly at this point, after running a very factional campaign (that was largely a repeat of 2016). Maybe he could endorse Warren, who has the potential for a broader coalition (and won't push people away), although given her performance today, I don't think that's gunna happen.

[Kurth]

Sanders is giving what sounds to me like a very angry speech.

Does he give any other kind?

Just watched Sanders’ speech tonight in Vermont. Wow. He trashed Biden. Actively encouraging the audience to boo Biden. Bernie and the Bros are going to do a repeat of 2016. Just great.

Also, Bernie’s greatest surrogate has weighed in: Biden’s surge is a coup!

2020 dropout Marianne Williamson, who endorsed Bernie Sanders last month, denounced Joe Biden’s Super Tuesday comeback as a “coup” in a bizarre Twitter rant that she quickly deleted. It was sparked by CNN anchor Jake Tapper referring to the “resurrection” of the former veep’s campaign. “This was not a resurrection; it was a coup,” Williamson frothed. “Russiagate was not a coup. Mueller was not a coup. Impeachment was not a coup. What happened yesterday was a coup. And we will push it back.” Williamson didn’t specify if the coup was carried out by voters who chose Biden over Bernie or by other ex-candidates who endorsed Biden, just as she had done for Sanders.[/]quote]

[Kraken]

Massachusetts of all places - for Biden! Terrible news for Warren, and not much better for Sanders, who was believed to be in the drivers seat there.

I am embarrassed for my state. Biden, seriously?

At this point I'm just waiting for delegate totals. Warren isn't winning anywhere, but is she scoring enough points to be a relevant #3? Won't know until tomorrow.

My mom (in suburban Boston) voted for Biden. So if he won by 1 vote, blame it on her.

Though I'm pretty sure that my dad voted for Sanders (outside chance of Gabbard).

Most surprising of all: Biden won the Berkshires. Granted that's only 10% of the state's population, but it's generally more liberal than Cambridge (where Warren won, thanks to those pointy-headed college types). This suggests that liberals put (mis?)perceived electability over their own beliefs. That ought to make the Biden people happy.

[Victoria Raverna]

I guess Sanders' ideas are too extreme for the voters?

[Zarathud]

Just watched Sanders’ speech tonight in Vermont. Wow. He trashed Biden. Actively encouraging the audience to boo Biden. Bernie and the Bros are going to do a repeat of 2016. Just great.

And if you pay attention, Bernie is promising things he didn't deliver or failed on:
Youth turnout.
Voter turnout for his revolution.
A contrast of ideas he can win.
Stopping the War in Iraq.
Fighting against Social Security cuts.
Stopping trade agreements.
Bankruptcy bill.
Tax breaks.
Income inequality.

The one thing Bernie delivers is his movement of Bernie Bros who are intolerant.

[gameoverman]

I guess Sanders' ideas are too extreme for the voters?

Yeah. There's a fine line between the kind of reform people are comfortable with and what people perceive as radical change. From what I hear from people I know, the main complaint is Sanders promises 'free' this or that, and new programs for this or that, and doesn't make clear who is going to pay for it. Saying he'll make the wealthy pay is unconvincing because when was the last time the wealthy were forced to give up a slice of the pie? Younger people, who are generally not of the wealthy class, buy into it of course.