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YellowKing wrote:
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I'd say that having a female minority in the VP slot would be his strongest move. So definitely Warren. :lol:
Warren I think would be the least impactful of those presumed to be in the running. There's no evidence she will magically energize the Native American demographic, for example.

A rather intriguing candidate is Tammy Duckworth. Asian/American war hero is somewhat less likely to mobilize the deplorables than Harris (who I still think is the front runner and deserves to be).

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Klobuchar has stepped aside.

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I think conventional wisdom had already counted Klobuchar out, but I'm kind of glad I don't have to worry about Biden going rogue and picking her anyway.

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Biden - Harris, that's the ticket.
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Most pundits are interpreting this as Klobuchar striking a blow against Warren (whom Klob believes too far left).

Biden is probably down to choosing between Harris and Warren. The Warren pick helps with Progressives, while Harris's strengths are her (relative) youth, demographics, and sheer presidential aura. Both Harris and Warren kick ass as debaters and thinkers.

I supported Warren all through the primary, but I expect and look forward to a Harris pick. The only downside is that (as a former prosecutor) she's open to being blasted as a "cop" by the hard left. However, her voting record is far more progressive than her reputation, and she seems to be coming out big for police reform on Twitter.
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A darkhorse I see mentioned occasionally is one of my senators, Tammy Duckworth. She's a disabled Asian American war veteran. I don't know too much about her legislative chops, but she checks many of the right boxes - minority, female, military bona fides, young. Plus she's from a state that is likely to reliably replace her with another D senator. Not a particularly likely candidate, but interesting nonetheless.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
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A darkhorse I see mentioned occasionally is one of my senators, Tammy Duckworth. She's a disabled Asian American war veteran. I don't know too much about her legislative chops, but she checks many of the right boxes - minority, female, military bona fides, young. Plus she's from a state that is likely to reliably replace her with another D senator. Not a particularly likely candidate, but interesting nonetheless.
I hope not, I like her where she is (selfish, I know). Fortunately for her constituency it's not likely.

It would be nice to see her deal with Pence.
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I think conventional wisdom had already counted Klobuchar out, but I'm kind of glad I don't have to worry about Biden going rogue and picking her anyway.
Most particularly after BLM/Minnesota and her history there - particularly with Chauvin (sp?).

However, Harris has some similar issues from her time in CA. If he goes with her, there will be some hits based on her record as AG and in SF, but she appears to be hitting all the right notes now, and AFAIK, SF has not had quite the same issues with deaths inflicted by police as Minnesota had, so it might not be as inflammatory.

What I really, really don't want to see is Stacey Abrams from GA.

Whoever is VP 100% needs to be ready to be President in the Covid era, especially with Biden's age and his old statement of probably only serving one term. It's going to take longer than that to fix this, and I have zero confidence that Abrams would make a decent Vice President, let alone President, and I have zero confidence that she could win in 2024 if she needs to run at the top.
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Per a NYT article last Sunday, I don't think the Biden campaign has reached out to Abrams, so she seems unlikely at this point. One of the candidates they've been vetting is Susan Rice, which surprises me. It seems like she would be a gift to the conspiracy-minded and right wing media, but of course they'll go after anyone I guess.

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Per a NYT article last Sunday, I don't think the Biden campaign has reached out to Abrams, so she seems unlikely at this point. One of the candidates they've been vetting is Susan Rice, which surprises me. It seems like she would be a gift to the conspiracy-minded and right wing media, but of course they'll go after anyone I guess.
This makes me wonder how many Obama-administration veterans will be making a return to the Biden administration. Biden has relationships with all of them, and some of them are probably the potential nominees he trusts most.
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Holman wrote:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:33 pm
Per a NYT article last Sunday, I don't think the Biden campaign has reached out to Abrams, so she seems unlikely at this point. One of the candidates they've been vetting is Susan Rice, which surprises me. It seems like she would be a gift to the conspiracy-minded and right wing media, but of course they'll go after anyone I guess.
This makes me wonder how many Obama-administration veterans will be making a return to the Biden administration. Biden has relationships with all of them, and some of them are probably the potential nominees he trusts most.
Given how many lifers Trump drove out of Washington entirely, the ability to appeal to them personally may be a huge advantage once he's sworn in.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:33 pm
Per a NYT article last Sunday, I don't think the Biden campaign has reached out to Abrams, so she seems unlikely at this point. One of the candidates they've been vetting is Susan Rice, which surprises me. It seems like she would be a gift to the conspiracy-minded and right wing media, but of course they'll go after anyone I guess.
No way.

Her son is a supporter of Trump. Why play with that shit?

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Unagi wrote:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:33 pm
Per a NYT article last Sunday, I don't think the Biden campaign has reached out to Abrams, so she seems unlikely at this point. One of the candidates they've been vetting is Susan Rice, which surprises me. It seems like she would be a gift to the conspiracy-minded and right wing media, but of course they'll go after anyone I guess.
No way.

Her son is a supporter of Trump. Why play with that shit?
Susan Rice's son?

Anyway, I have also read some low level buzz about Susan Rice, which seems crazy to me. I'm sure she's smart and capable and everything, but I'm also reasonably confident that a plurality of people who recognize her name know her from Trump's crazy conspiracy theorizing. I don't know why you'd willingly walk into that - would inevitably generate a ton of mainstream media articles into her role in the whole unmasking thing, and I really don't have a lot of confidence that the media and voters would understand all of that and why Trump's claims are crazy.

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El Guapo wrote:
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Susan Rice's son?

Anyway, I have also read some low level buzz about Susan Rice, which seems crazy to me. I'm sure she's smart and capable and everything, but I'm also reasonably confident that a plurality of people who recognize her name know her from Trump's crazy conspiracy theorizing. I don't know why you'd willingly walk into that - would inevitably generate a ton of mainstream media articles into her role in the whole unmasking thing, and I really don't have a lot of confidence that the media and voters would understand all of that and why Trump's claims are crazy.
I have a tiny bit of worry about this. I think they typically aren't good at anticipating...well anything coverage related. They are always hopelessly on the defensive there. So considering that I think they need to go to basics and prepare to take a walloping. Rice is a good choice from the fundamentals level. Hopefully that'd override the negatives.

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I don't see Susan Rice as viable. Going from National Security Adviser to Vice-President (and potentially to President) just isn't a traditional path and seems like too big a step up. And the conspiracy baggage, fake as it is, is still too much of a headwind.

Plus I don't recall her having a great deal of public charisma. Maybe I just never saw it.
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I don't see Susan Rice as viable. Going from National Security Adviser to Vice-President (and potentially to President) just isn't a traditional path and seems like too big a step up. And the conspiracy baggage, fake as it is, is still too much of a headwind.

Plus I don't recall her having a great deal of public charisma. Maybe I just never saw it.
She might not be viable but Bush I went from CIA Director to VP. It isn't that far off from that path. The only real difference is Rice never was a legislator or party leader (Bush I was Chair of the RNC at some point IIRC). I don't know if those details matter as much now. The politics are very different. As to charisma that doesn't matter as much for a VP. They just have to not mess up. She is pretty competent so I don't think that'd be an issue.

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El Guapo wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:40 am
Unagi wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:34 am
Her son is a supporter of Trump. Why play with that shit?
Susan Rice's son?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics ... index.html

yep

on top of the 'unmasking' thing, there would be people pointing out that her son is GOP, etc.

It would be a bad pick, IMO.

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The Rice drum beat is getting louder.


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Oof - I hope he doesn’t go that route; the right wing news outlets would have a field day and get the base riled up. Why not just have her in the cabinet?

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I'm hoping Biden's picking a VP based on who he can work well with and who could competently succeed him in 2024; not on how Fox News viewers will react.

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YellowKing wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:48 pm
I'm hoping Biden's picking a VP based on who he can work well with and who could competently succeed him in 2024; not on how Fox News viewers will react.
Yeah she is a fine choice if he goes with her. The right freaking out is a given.

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