Election integrity and the transfer of power

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm

Lin Wood is about the most stupid lawyer I’ve seen. He just posted a video on Twitter of the hearing after the judge explicitly ordered no videos be taken. He’s toast - can’t wait for the judge to hear about this.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:57 pm

Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm Lin Wood is about the most stupid lawyer I’ve seen. He just posted a video on Twitter of the hearing after the judge explicitly ordered no videos be taken. He’s toast - can’t wait for the judge to hear about this.

Lin Wood is banned from Twitter, so he can't post video there himself.

Maybe you meant Telegram?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:01 pm

Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm Lin Wood is about the most stupid lawyer I’ve seen.

He's literally insane and claims that God talks to him directly.

Even before his involvement with politics, his law partners sued to have him removed from their firm because they believed him to have become mentally unstable.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:44 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:57 pm
Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm Lin Wood is about the most stupid lawyer I’ve seen. He just posted a video on Twitter of the hearing after the judge explicitly ordered no videos be taken. He’s toast - can’t wait for the judge to hear about this.
Lin Wood is banned from Twitter, so he can't post video there himself.

Maybe you meant Telegram?

It was Telegram. In any case, Lin Wood is really dumb. He is trying to say he wasn't involved. FWIW Powell said he wasn't as well. Which is interesting since he ran around trumpeting his involvement. Just a grifting POS.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:52 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:57 pm
Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:25 pm Lin Wood is about the most stupid lawyer I’ve seen. He just posted a video on Twitter of the hearing after the judge explicitly ordered no videos be taken. He’s toast - can’t wait for the judge to hear about this.
Lin Wood is banned from Twitter, so he can't post video there himself.

Maybe you meant Telegram?

Ok, on some other social media - he also just took it down.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:54 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:39 pm I feel like Kraken here should probably sue the Kraken lawyers for the damage that they're causing to his reputation.

I am taking care of them.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:35 pm

GOP rep requests vote audit of the 2020 election.

Difficulty: In Oklahoma

Oklahoma Rep. Sean Roberts (R-Hominy) suggests Oklahomans can't trust the results of last year's election here, calls for audit. Defeated incumbent Donald Trump carried all 77 counties in 2020, just as he did in 2016.

Grift? Or just more seeds being planted in the “elections can never be trusted unless the GOP wins everything” field? Or both?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:06 pm

They're saying the quiet part out loud again

Toth introduced a bill called the “Texas Voter Confidence Act” which is designed to authorize the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Speaker of the House to “select an independent third party to conduct the election audit,” according to a statement. “The forensic audit would focus on the votes cast in the 13 most populous counties in Texas, which include both Republican and Democrat strongholds."

But while Toth said he would support a statewide effort, he also argued the undertaking would be too expensive and time-consuming. Asked if he would consider including some smaller counties, Toth replied, “What’s the point? I mean, all the small counties are red.”

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:48 pm

Great thread. Sure, stretching things on a few, but well-played...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:44 pm

Trump demanded routers and by God the GOP in the Arizona Senate are going to get them. Might as well ask for a pipe to inspect the water that ran through it but they're the experts!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:59 pm

Spoiler:

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:12 am

Can a state senate command anything it wants from a county? Isn't that government overreach? If I learned anything during the Trump admin, it's that subpoenas don't really mean anything.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:45 pm

Trump to DOJ last December: 'Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me'

The notes are the latest evidence of Trump's efforts to pressure the Justice Department to try to support his false claims of election fraud.

Former President Donald Trump pressured his incoming acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to declare that the election was corrupt in an attempt to help Republican members of Congress try to overturn the election result, according to notes of a December 2020 call Trump held with Rosen and acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue.

Donoghue provided the House Oversight Committee with his contemporaneous notes from the December 27 call Trump held with Rosen and Donoghue, who took over the top spots at DOJ in the final weeks of Trump's presidency following the resignation of Attorney General William Barr.

During the call, Trump pressured Rosen and Donoghue to falsely declare the election "illegal" and "corrupt" even after the Justice Department had not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud.

"Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," Trump said on the call, according to Donoghue's notes.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:19 pm

This is a real, actual letter responding to a subpoena.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:24 pm

I enjoy the letter, but do they have any legal grounds to reject compliance with most of the subpoena, bonkers though the premise of the audit is?

This is also part of how Republicans continue to erode our political and legal systems. If the County complies, they get fuel for more audit nonsense. If they don't, then they have "what are they hiding???" takes ready to go, and they get to point to this to help them refuse actual serious subpoenas in the future.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:27 pm

I actually didn't like the letter. Not for what it says but what it means. That is is necessary just piles on more evidence that as pointed out this is part of the undermining of our democracy. The tone is exactly right for that reason. No matter what they do we all lose. I'm not too worried about precedent because I think we're on the edge if not beyond that mattering anyway.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:36 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:27 pm I actually didn't like the letter. Not for what it says but what it means. That is is necessary just piles on more evidence that as pointed out this is part of the undermining of our democracy. The tone is exactly right for that reason. No matter what they do we all lose. I'm not too worried about precedent because I think we're on the edge if not beyond that mattering anyway.

Yeah, I'm on the same page I think. It's an appropriate response to the state GOP nonsense, but that we're at this point is very bad in a "late Roman republic" way.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:18 pm

Yeah especially since it is looking like this is a strategy to end our democracy. The New Yorker and Washington Post have some good pieces digging into this plan. Surprise! It is being funded by ultrawealthy conservatives.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:25 am

malchior wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:27 pm I'm not too worried about precedent because I think we're on the edge if not beyond that mattering anyway.

I think if the media in general and the population to a lesser extent had been on the same page with that sentiment, MUCH earlier, we would be in a better position now. We spent 4+ years so got damned concerned about OMG THIS HAS NEVER(!) HAPPENED BEFORE!!!! that The Crazy (and The Evil) spread out of control without being checked.

It seems that almost all the energy was spent on the questions:
IS THIS REALLY NEW OR DIFFERENT?
HOW?
ARE WE SURE? LET'S DEEP DIVE ON HISTORICAL SIMILARITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE ALARMISTS.
HOW DID WE GET HERE?
ARE WE SURE? (again)
WHY?
OK, OK, it does SEEM DIFFERENT, but let's keep our collective, objective news heads here, and compare to the OTHER side, which is probably ALSO doing unprecedented THINGS. Let's explore that!

And that's for the minority who were paying attention to politics. The vast majority don't care, don't want to hear about it, and/or don't have/make the time to invest in reading. Both ends of spectrum: either they are too busy working to put food on the table...or too well off to be bothered (why, since their current life is so easy, going well?)

Maddening to watch and read. I chalk a lot of it up to nationalistic hubris (to some large degree, justifiable, I think), that something like what is happening could ever happen here. We're Special, after all! While in reality, humans that live and vote and "lead" in the USA are just like humans elsewhere on the planet (both present and past) with failed or failing democracies/states. The almost hardwired idea in Americans that we can do ANYthing, that we are invulnerable, that we are SO much better than every other country (and its political systems), inherently, will IMO be our downfall.

Train heading for us?! Impossible! Unthinkable!
Wait, IS that train heading for us? Kinda looks like it, now! Nah, mirage.
Dang...that train is CLOSE! And it's swerving and shit?! How does a train swerve?! Crazy train. Well, crazy train or no, we are Superman, and no Crazy Train can hurt us.
(Crazy Train, going 600 MPH, hits a pebble on the track, which rockets towards us at 1200 MPH and dings us in the kneecap) OW!!! WTF?!?! .... (slowly considers implication): OH SHIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! RUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!1

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:52 pm

This is a great article and timeline on all of Trump’s attempts to overturn the election with a special focus on Mark Meadow’s role:

https://www.justsecurity.org/77681/mark ... -election/

And while I can’t stand Bill Barr, I loved reading about his direct response to Trump and his claims of election fraud when they met. Also of note is General Miley’s warning of a “hard line” drawn by the military. That was very surprising.

Overall, the best summary of events I’ve seen.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:51 pm

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:54 pm

I predict Mike will be homeless and back on crack within 16 months.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:56 pm

Lindell's 72-hour Big Lie marathon is ending its day one. He claims that he'll be going the distance unless they're "shut down" by [unspecified Deep State enemies].

I wish I had more popcorn.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:02 pm

CNN gets the information through reporting and carefully cultivated contacts, rather than the internet. Their faulty reasoning shows the flawed thinking.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:11 pm

I watched that clip to the part where they talked about Dominion machines are commercial off the shelf (COTS) machines that are just 'commercial machines' and 'aren't defensible' against hacks. None of that means anything to anyone who knows the subject matter (ahem). It is sounding smart but just being wrong in the details.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:29 am

Meanwhile. WTF. Bannon and Lindell sure sound like they are trying to start a civil uprising.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:07 am

Hasn't Bannon always been pushing for an uprising? I thought he was clear about that. He was Darth Vader, leading the dark... and was going to usher in trillions in infrastructure spending after Trumps gets elected in 2016...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:58 am

When you have one party that's opening telegraphing their intent to manipulate elections to get the results they need to regain power...how is this not a red alarm for America?

An ugly truth: Republicans can win back power while speaking almost exclusively to their alternate information universe, and withdrawing from the conversation about some of our deepest challenges. How? By taking the House via gerrymanders alone. My latest:

Republicans themselves openly *boast* that they can win the House via extreme gerrymanders.

Rep Ronny Jackson of Texas recently said GOP control of redistricting "alone should get us the majority back.”

Studies back this up:

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:48 pm

Was it a shit show?

It was a shit show.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:56 am

"You guys need to start reporting this and stop fact checking it!"

The source of our downward spiral in a nutshell.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am

I have to say, part of me really thinks Lindell is mentally unstable and should get help. I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide in the not too distant future.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:38 am

hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide murder by ANTIFA thugs in the not too distant future.

FTFY.

ANIFA is after him for daring to expose the truth…and they’re everywhere.

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:38 am
hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide murder by ANTIFA thugs in the not too distant future.
FTFY.

ANIFA is after him for daring to expose the truth…and they’re everywhere.

I hope he doesn't commit suicide for my own moral reasons, but I could totally see him doing it, and writing a note saying it was actually ANTIFA.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:19 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have to say, part of me really thinks Lindell is mentally unstable and should get help. I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide in the not too distant future.

He's a recovered crack addict and committed conspiracy theorist. His grip on the terms of reality are pretty tenuous. You can see it in the video above.

He probably believes everything he says, but he's being manipulated by Steve Bannon, whoever runs QAnon, and who-knows-whoever-else.

If he'd lived in the 16th century, he'd be a footnote about a madman who set himself on fire in order to declare that Queen Elizabeth was a servant of the Devil.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:35 pm

A lot of these folks are mentally unstable, and unfortunately the Republican Party is more than willing to exploit their illness for personal gain.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:27 am

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:35 pm A lot of these folks are mentally unstable, and unfortunately the Republican Party is more than willing to exploit their illness for personal gain.

But it’s hard to differentiate (if that even matters) since we’ve seen more than a few reliable sources say that so many of these guys who seem over-the-top evil, politically, are really cool guys and very reasonable when not in front of a camera/podium/journalist. Many of the worst actors are just that, apparently.

It’s all a show, they don’t really believe the stupid/terrible things they are saying. Obviously some do, but say a

Lindsey Graham, for example, he’s totally the type that sees Politician X acting bat shit crazy, and the media trips over themselves trying to cover him. Poor Lindsey wants attention, too! So off he goes, says or does something typically out of character, chasing relevancy (he almost literally said this at some point in the past year or so).

It explains so many ‘WTF!?’ comments, and erratic, contradictory behavior, that I believe it’s pretty common, currently. We are living in the age of ‘The Crazy’, politically.

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:27 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:19 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have to say, part of me really thinks Lindell is mentally unstable and should get help. I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide in the not too distant future.
He's a recovered crack addict and committed conspiracy theorist. His grip on the terms of reality are pretty tenuous. You can see it in the video above.

He probably believes everything he says, but he's being manipulated by Steve Bannon, whoever runs QAnon, and who-knows-whoever-else.

If he'd lived in the 16th century, he'd be a footnote about a madman who set himself on fire in order to declare that Queen Elizabeth was a servant of the Devil.

Recovered? I'd be shocked if he weren't doing mountains of crack or rivers of blow currently.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:38 pm

Drazzil wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:27 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:19 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have to say, part of me really thinks Lindell is mentally unstable and should get help. I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide in the not too distant future.
He's a recovered crack addict and committed conspiracy theorist. His grip on the terms of reality are pretty tenuous. You can see it in the video above.

He probably believes everything he says, but he's being manipulated by Steve Bannon, whoever runs QAnon, and who-knows-whoever-else.

If he'd lived in the 16th century, he'd be a footnote about a madman who set himself on fire in order to declare that Queen Elizabeth was a servant of the Devil.
Recovered? I'd be shocked if he weren't doing mountains of crack or rivers of blow currently.

Oh, I've known recovered drug addicts. If I have any intuition, Lindell has replaced crack with Jesus and replaced Jesus with Trump.

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:38 pm
Drazzil wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:27 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:19 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:28 am I have to say, part of me really thinks Lindell is mentally unstable and should get help. I have this sneaking suspicion that we’re going to be reading about his suicide in the not too distant future.
He's a recovered crack addict and committed conspiracy theorist. His grip on the terms of reality are pretty tenuous. You can see it in the video above.

He probably believes everything he says, but he's being manipulated by Steve Bannon, whoever runs QAnon, and who-knows-whoever-else.

If he'd lived in the 16th century, he'd be a footnote about a madman who set himself on fire in order to declare that Queen Elizabeth was a servant of the Devil.
Recovered? I'd be shocked if he weren't doing mountains of crack or rivers of blow currently.
Oh, I've known recovered drug addicts. If I have any intuition, Lindell has replaced crack with Jesus and replaced Jesus with Trump.

One thing that I learned from my own brush with addiction is that there is no "recovered" addict. Just an addict who through his or her own treatment and determination happens to be sober. The addiction is still there, still ready to take over again.

My admittedly fleeting observations of the man is that it seems to me that there's no way that he isn't using again. Just look at his behavior.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:23 pm