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Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
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Kushner asked a group of political advisers to go to White House to explain to Trump the "small chances of changing the outcome of the election," but declined to go with them himself.
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Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
I like the sound of "Dr. Jill Biden," but I keep seeing people assume she's a medical doctor. She's an Ed.D.

One open question is what to call Douglas Emhoff (Harris' husband). I guess he'll be the "Second Gentleman," but that's a little odd with no "First Gentleman."

Have all presidents so far also been "First Gentleman" all along?
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Not the last one, anyways.
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Pyperkub wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:44 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
Clinton has a JD.
Huh, didn't have to go back too far.
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Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:41 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
I like the sound of "Dr. Jill Biden," but I keep seeing people assume she's a medical doctor. She's an Ed.D.

One open question is what to call Douglas Emhoff (Harris' husband). I guess he'll be the "Second Gentleman," but that's a little odd with no "First Gentleman."

Have all presidents so far also been "First Gentleman" all along?
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Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:41 pm
One open question is what to call Douglas Emhoff (Harris' husband). I guess he'll be the "Second Gentleman," but that's a little odd with no "First Gentleman."
Jewish boys across the country now know that they, too, can grow up to become the Second Gentleman. :wub:
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Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:57 pm
Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:41 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
I like the sound of "Dr. Jill Biden," but I keep seeing people assume she's a medical doctor. She's an Ed.D.

One open question is what to call Douglas Emhoff (Harris' husband). I guess he'll be the "Second Gentleman," but that's a little odd with no "First Gentleman."

Have all presidents so far also been "First Gentleman" all along?
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They're down to Matt Schlapp as spokesman for this buffoonery.
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But..his laptop!

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Biden just increased his total in AZ...so maybe it'll hold up. Some people are lumping this result on Trump's comment about McCain. Probably true but it didn't hurt that the Democrats had a relatively well-known Senatorial candidate on the ticket too.
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I think at this point it's pretty safe to say Arizona will hold which makes me happy. Any extra buffer between Trump is a good thing.
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Holman wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:41 pmI like the sound of "Dr. Jill Biden," but I keep seeing people assume she's a medical doctor. She's an Ed.D.

One open question is what to call Douglas Emhoff (Harris' husband). I guess he'll be the "Second Gentleman," but that's a little odd with no "First Gentleman."

Have all presidents so far also been "First Gentleman" all along?
If it was a joke, sorry for not recognizing it was. Assuming it's a serious question I think the First Gentleman is the husband of the President. The reason it might sound odd is we haven't ever had someone be the husband of the President. If Hilary had won, Bill Clinton would have been the first First Gentleman. If Harris eventually becomes President, her husband will be the first First Gentleman and first Second Gentleman the country has had. He has the potential to hit for the cycle. If he serves as her Vice President, then becomes President himself, he will have been President, Vice President, First Gentleman, and Second Gentleman. That would be the ultimate 'achievement unlocked' in US politics.
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Daehawk wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:22 am
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You weren't a fan of Melania's Nightmare Before Everything look?
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Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
Don't think it will last unless it's remote. It would turn the community college into a circus. Armed Secret Service in the classroom, campus on perpetual lockdown...
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:22 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
Don't think it will last unless it's remote. It would turn the community college into a circus. Armed Secret Service in the classroom, campus on perpetual lockdown...
Even so, the fact that there's someone in the White House who has taught for years at a community college(!) makes available a very dramatic change in perspective.

Most administration officials, members of congress, judges, and top staffers have graduated from Ivy League or other top-funded schools. They almost never encountered a fellow student from an underprivileged background at all, but Jill Biden has taught classrooms full of them.

(I teach part-time at a private university but I'm also a librarian at a community college. The latter has changed so many of my assumptions about education and the economy.)
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Weird flex of the day - I've now seen several pundits saying the election wasn't close and it was just a mirage because the count was slow. If you are talking Popular Vote, yes. However, 58 EVs were won by a range of 0.2 - 0.6% or so. That's statistically damn near a tie. It could have easily fallen Trump's way on a different day. We got damn lucky that so many people put in hard work because otherwise it could have been lost.

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malchior wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:45 pm Weird flex of the day - I've now seen several pundits saying the election wasn't close and it was just a mirage because the count was slow. If you are talking Popular Vote, yes. However, 58 EVs were won by a range of 0.2 - 0.6% or so. That's statistically damn near a tie. It could have easily fallen Trump's way on a different day. We got damn lucky that so many people put in hard work because otherwise it could have been lost.

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I think part of this effect was in those past elections states were not as entrenched as today. Biden had to receive the most votes in history just to eke out the EC victory. But Trump's margins in 2016 were even less. I think the dynamic is changing as the stakes become ever higher. I don't think we are likely to see any more 49 to 1 state victory blowouts.
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The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
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gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
Umm... why would you take away Biden's CA advantage if we're talking about the popular vote? It's not the popular vote then, is it?
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Get ready for vote fraud truthers. There has been "data scientists" pouring over a data feed and pointing out vote count irregularities. Their source of truth? The NYT data API. They are scraping it and then finding moments where irregular data appears in the vote tallies. As if the NY Times data was authoritative. Oy vey.

Edit: I went down the rabbit hole. Their proof of fraud? They are mostly easily explained patterns in the data. As an example, late ballot counts in PA drifted heavily Democratic when earlier it was far more even. If only there was a widely reported mechanism at play there. Nope must be super duper fraud!
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gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
I don't get taking away California. They are 10% of the population. However, it was still close, real close and that's scary. 4 million out of 145 million is close. Far too close when we see what this election was about and that you can close the popular vote by that much and lose.
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malchior wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:43 pm Biden just increased his total in AZ...so maybe it'll hold up. Some people are lumping this result on Trump's comment about McCain. Probably true but it didn't hurt that the Democrats had a relatively well-known Senatorial candidate on the ticket too.
Kelly won decisively in the Senate race, so Democrats have now won two senate races and a presidential race in 2020, and came close in AZ in 2016. Occam's razor is just that Arizona is trending Democratic, and while a swing state arguably swings very slightly Democratic.

Not that going to war with McCain helped him.
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Jaymann wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:56 pm I don't think we are likely to see any more 49 to 1 state victory blowouts.
But even that one (if we mean Reagan-Mondale) wasn't as close as the EC makes it appear.

It was basically Reagan 59% to Mondale 41%. A landslide, but not the complete erasure the map looks like.
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When will the Four Seasons Total Landscaping fiasco get its own series?

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In a stunning surprise, Putin won't acknowledge Biden's victory while Trump is pursuing his bogus legal challenges. He didn't even have to sick his Iranian social media dogs to create this chaos.
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Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:56 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:44 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:43 pm After four years of complete and utter worthlessness, I’m very excited to have Dr Jill as FLOTUS.

She’s awesome.
Probably safe to say she's the first Dr. to be First Lady.

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
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Huh, didn't have to go back too far.
And didn't even have to go that far... Michelle Obama?
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Wow, yeah. I was clearly way off.
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Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:52 am
gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
Umm... why would you take away Biden's CA advantage if we're talking about the popular vote? It's not the popular vote then, is it?
We are talking about a national election, all the territory where voting is legal. By looking at the total popular votes a person might get the impression that the large Biden advantage represents numbers across the nation. This can be true sometimes, but not in this election. The numbers I see in New York show Biden with less than a million more votes than Trump, and that's in a highly populated state where almost 56% of the votes went to Biden. If you were to double NY's numbers, to simulate a vote if NY had the same population as California, Biden still doesn't get anywhere near as many more votes there as in CA. California is not representative of how close this election was is my point.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:22 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
Don't think it will last unless it's remote. It would turn the community college into a circus. Armed Secret Service in the classroom, campus on perpetual lockdown...
Agreed. Seems too risky considering how fanatic the opposition has become.

Maybe she could get a full time job as Secretary of Education.
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gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:20 pm
Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:52 am
gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
Umm... why would you take away Biden's CA advantage if we're talking about the popular vote? It's not the popular vote then, is it?
We are talking about a national election, all the territory where voting is legal. By looking at the total popular votes a person might get the impression that the large Biden advantage represents numbers across the nation. This can be true sometimes, but not in this election. The numbers I see in New York show Biden with less than a million more votes than Trump, and that's in a highly populated state where almost 56% of the votes went to Biden. If you were to double NY's numbers, to simulate a vote if NY had the same population as California, Biden still doesn't get anywhere near as many more votes there as in CA. California is not representative of how close this election was is my point.
It makes sense if you want to argue that Biden's support is not evenly distributed across the country, which is true. In terms of measuring Biden's support across the population, however, it doesn't seem to matter where in the country it comes from.
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gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:20 pm
Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:52 am
gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
Umm... why would you take away Biden's CA advantage if we're talking about the popular vote? It's not the popular vote then, is it?
We are talking about a national election, all the territory where voting is legal. By looking at the total popular votes a person might get the impression that the large Biden advantage represents numbers across the nation. This can be true sometimes, but not in this election. The numbers I see in New York show Biden with less than a million more votes than Trump, and that's in a highly populated state where almost 56% of the votes went to Biden. If you were to double NY's numbers, to simulate a vote if NY had the same population as California, Biden still doesn't get anywhere near as many more votes there as in CA. California is not representative of how close this election was is my point.
The Biden advantage does represent numbers across the nation. If we are talking about the popular vote, I don't know why states even come into it at all.
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Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:23 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:22 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm

Also, she plans to keep a full-time job while First Lady. That will apparently be a first.
Don't think it will last unless it's remote. It would turn the community college into a circus. Armed Secret Service in the classroom, campus on perpetual lockdown...
Agreed. Seems too risky considering how fanatic the opposition has become.

Maybe she could get a full time job as Secretary of Education.
Not sure how serious you are with this, but I would suggest that now is exactly the wrong time for Biden to start filling his cabinet with family members.

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Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:26 pm
gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:20 pm
Alefroth wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:52 am
gameoverman wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:56 am The popular vote is really closer than it appears too. Take away California's Biden advantage, then realize what's left came from everywhere else. Biden's advantage looks thin from that perspective. Not only was this not a landslide, it wasn't a beating either. It wasn't a knock out. It wasn't decisive. It was close, real close. That's scary as fark to think about.
Umm... why would you take away Biden's CA advantage if we're talking about the popular vote? It's not the popular vote then, is it?
We are talking about a national election, all the territory where voting is legal. By looking at the total popular votes a person might get the impression that the large Biden advantage represents numbers across the nation. This can be true sometimes, but not in this election. The numbers I see in New York show Biden with less than a million more votes than Trump, and that's in a highly populated state where almost 56% of the votes went to Biden. If you were to double NY's numbers, to simulate a vote if NY had the same population as California, Biden still doesn't get anywhere near as many more votes there as in CA. California is not representative of how close this election was is my point.
The Biden advantage does represent numbers across the nation. If we are talking about the popular vote, I don't know why states even come into it at all.
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What happens to Trump if you remove Texas from the equation? See how stupid this is?
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Can we see what happens to Trump if you remove Trump from the equation?

I'm not making a point, I just want Trump removed from the equation. :ninja:
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RunningMn9 wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:41 pm What happens to Trump if you remove Texas from the equation? See how stupid this is?
Amazingly, Texas is only about as impactful to Trump's popular vote absolute # as is Alabama. (~600k lead in each state) The 'wonderers' are absolutely correct that there is no similar 'but if you remove state X, what happens to Biden's lead!?' for Trump. There's no handful of states which combined have the impact on Trump that just CA has on Biden, in fact.

They're still dumb to ask the question, but...
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Zaxxon wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:53 pm
RunningMn9 wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:41 pm What happens to Trump if you remove Texas from the equation? See how stupid this is?
Amazingly, Texas is only about as impactful to Trump's popular vote absolute # as is Alabama. (~600k lead in each state) The 'wonderers' are absolutely correct that there is no similar 'but if you remove state X, what happens to Biden's lead!?' for Trump. There's no handful of states which combined have the impact on Trump that just CA has on Biden, in fact.

They're still dumb to ask the question, but...
You should do the same thing with a region with the same population as CA. There was a tweet that showed regions with the same population and Senators for each. Try it with that.

I agree it's a dumb question though.
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